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Post by sportsjock on Nov 11, 2019 22:56:25 GMT -5
Just to play devil's advocate for a second. Don't you think that if you were a "close family friend" or a potential agent for Chase that you would provide him with that whether he repaid the load or not juust to cover his bum bum? We aren't living in Disney World here. I think it's been established, this family friend is not an agent of any sort, nor was he a booster. Initial hysteria had him as an NFLPA and the sum was like $100,000 and that there was nefarious intentions. As the facts finally come out, it's proving to be a much more innocent situation, just not good headline grabbers as the social media would like. The following is the NCAA bylaw in question. I think Chase is essentially home free. The gray area is the 'established family friend', which is open to interpretation. Not specific at all. Chase claims that he and his family developed a friendly relationship with this guy about three years ago. So, who is to say three years is insufficient time to establish a family friendship? NCAA Bylaw 16.11.1.3, “a student-athlete may receive a loan from an established family friend without such arrangement constituting an extra benefit, provided: (a) The loan is not offered to the student-athlete based in any degree on his or her athletics ability or reputation; (b) The individual providing the loan is not considered a representative of the institution’s athletics interests; and (c) The relationship between the individual providing the loan and the student-athlete existed prior to the initiation of the student-athlete’s recruitment by the member institution.” If there are no clear and specific infractions of Bylaw 16.11.1.3,, then there is no moving on the latter bylaw that breaks down the degrees of punishment, by bracketed loan amounts. Of course, this must have been written back in the 50's or 60's, because the amounts are ridiculously low. Obviously, there was no adjustments for inflation....lol But, as I said, if there is no clear and specific violation of this bylaw, then the punishment portion is a mute point and not applicable.
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Post by galion on Nov 12, 2019 4:49:21 GMT -5
Just to play devil's advocate for a second. Don't you think that if you were a "close family friend" or a potential agent for Chase that you would provide him with that whether he repaid the load or not juust to cover his bum bum? We aren't living in Disney World here. I think it's been established, this family friend is not an agent of any sort, nor was he a booster. Initial hysteria had him as an NFLPA and the sum was like $100,000 and that there was nefarious intentions. As the facts finally come out, it's proving to be a much more innocent situation, just not good headline grabbers as the social media would like. The following is the NCAA bylaw in question. I think Chase is essentially home free. The gray area is the 'established family friend', which is open to interpretation. Not specific at all. Chase claims that he and his family developed a friendly relationship with this guy about three years ago. So, who is to say three years is insufficient time to establish a family friendship? NCAA Bylaw 16.11.1.3, “a student-athlete may receive a loan from an established family friend without such arrangement constituting an extra benefit, provided: (a) The loan is not offered to the student-athlete based in any degree on his or her athletics ability or reputation; (b) The individual providing the loan is not considered a representative of the institution’s athletics interests; and (c) The relationship between the individual providing the loan and the student-athlete existed prior to the initiation of the student-athlete’s recruitment by the member institution.” Again, agent or not wouldn't a "close family friend" cover the kid's behind under the circumstances whether he paid the money back or not? I promise you that if this exact same scenario was playing out at any of those "reputable" southern institutions of higher learning that not a damned one of you would be buying any of this for a second.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 12, 2019 5:43:42 GMT -5
I think it's been established, this family friend is not an agent of any sort, nor was he a booster. Initial hysteria had him as an NFLPA and the sum was like $100,000 and that there was nefarious intentions. As the facts finally come out, it's proving to be a much more innocent situation, just not good headline grabbers as the social media would like. The following is the NCAA bylaw in question. I think Chase is essentially home free. The gray area is the 'established family friend', which is open to interpretation. Not specific at all. Chase claims that he and his family developed a friendly relationship with this guy about three years ago. So, who is to say three years is insufficient time to establish a family friendship? NCAA Bylaw 16.11.1.3, “a student-athlete may receive a loan from an established family friend without such arrangement constituting an extra benefit, provided: (a) The loan is not offered to the student-athlete based in any degree on his or her athletics ability or reputation; (b) The individual providing the loan is not considered a representative of the institution’s athletics interests; and (c) The relationship between the individual providing the loan and the student-athlete existed prior to the initiation of the student-athlete’s recruitment by the member institution.” Again, agent or not wouldn't a "close family friend" cover the kid's behind under the circumstances whether he paid the money back or not? I promise you that if this exact same scenario was playing out at any of those "reputable" southern institutions of higher learning that not a damned one of you would be buying any of this for a second. It really doesn't matter what we think, or what our slant on things may be. I'm attempting to look at the facts as they now appear, from the perspective of the NCAA rules committee. I'm guessing that given the situation as we presently know it, this entire matter will be cleared up soon.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 12, 2019 6:55:25 GMT -5
Something I read this morning. As per Bill Greene who is pretty much connected and on point says it was the MD RB coach and Chase Youngs' former HS coach who reported the incident to OSU. Pretty cold of him. Must be no love loss there with that former HS coach and former HS player.
CLB --28 in a 25,,thats' ridiculous. I would have contested that one.
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Post by cbus on Nov 12, 2019 7:34:45 GMT -5
I think it's been established, this family friend is not an agent of any sort, nor was he a booster. Initial hysteria had him as an NFLPA and the sum was like $100,000 and that there was nefarious intentions. As the facts finally come out, it's proving to be a much more innocent situation, just not good headline grabbers as the social media would like. The following is the NCAA bylaw in question. I think Chase is essentially home free. The gray area is the 'established family friend', which is open to interpretation. Not specific at all. Chase claims that he and his family developed a friendly relationship with this guy about three years ago. So, who is to say three years is insufficient time to establish a family friendship?NCAA Bylaw 16.11.1.3, “a student-athlete may receive a loan from an established family friend without such arrangement constituting an extra benefit, provided: (a) The loan is not offered to the student-athlete based in any degree on his or her athletics ability or reputation; (b) The individual providing the loan is not considered a representative of the institution’s athletics interests; and (c) The relationship between the individual providing the loan and the student-athlete existed prior to the initiation of the student-athlete’s recruitment by the member institution.”I'm not sure I'm reading this right but doesn't clause (c) say that the family friendship must have started before Chase was recruited by Ohio State? Chase committed to the Buckeyes on 11/25/2016 which is about 3 years ago. I assume the recruiting started before that since Chase was a 5 star recruit in HS (probably his junior year). Maybe that's the issue and why Chase was given the 2 game suspension?
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 12, 2019 7:50:37 GMT -5
Something I read this morning. As per Bill Greene who is pretty much connected and on point says it was the MD RB coach and Chase Youngs' former HS coach who reported the incident to OSU. Pretty cold of him. Must be no love loss there with that former HS coach and former HS player. CLB --28 in a 25,,thats' ridiculous. I would have contested that one. the funny thing is maybe he thought this would give the Terps an edge? "In my culture, this is considered a dick move." - Birdperson
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 12, 2019 8:46:59 GMT -5
Something I read this morning. As per Bill Greene who is pretty much connected and on point says it was the MD RB coach and Chase Youngs' former HS coach who reported the incident to OSU. Pretty cold of him. Must be no love loss there with that former HS coach and former HS player. CLB --28 in a 25,,thats' ridiculous. I would have contested that one. the funny thing is maybe he thought this would give the Terps an edge? "In my culture, this is considered a dick move." - Birdperson I think it's still important to note the fact it was reported to OSU authorities and not the NCAA.....supposedly. Still think they did us a big favor, in the end.
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Post by dude on Nov 12, 2019 9:03:37 GMT -5
Again, agent or not wouldn't a "close family friend" cover the kid's behind under the circumstances whether he paid the money back or not? I promise you that if this exact same scenario was playing out at any of those "reputable" southern institutions of higher learning that not a damned one of you would be buying any of this for a second. Wrong! If you have spent any time on a recent college campus you would know money gets borrowed and paid back between friends all the time. I have no doubt this same thing happens at all universities.
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Post by dude on Nov 12, 2019 9:06:05 GMT -5
Something I read this morning. As per Bill Greene who is pretty much connected and on point says it was the MD RB coach and Chase Youngs' former HS coach who reported the incident to OSU. Pretty cold of him. Must be no love loss there with that former HS coach and former HS player. CLB --28 in a 25,,thats' ridiculous. I would have contested that one. It has been mentioned that someone from MD was the person that reported the loan.
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Post by dude on Nov 12, 2019 9:09:50 GMT -5
the funny thing is maybe he thought this would give the Terps an edge? "In my culture, this is considered a dick move." - Birdperson I think it's still important to note the fact it was reported to OSU authorities and not the NCAA.....supposedly. Still think they did us a big favor, in the end. I understand what you are saying but does this really matter. Facts are facts in the end and if the NCAA found out first, OSU would have taken the same action as soon as they found out. Self reporting makes you look better but I still think the end punishment will be the same.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 12, 2019 9:25:15 GMT -5
I think it's still important to note the fact it was reported to OSU authorities and not the NCAA.....supposedly. Still think they did us a big favor, in the end. I understand what you are saying but does this really matter. Facts are facts in the end and if the NCAA found out first, OSU would have taken the same action as soon as they found out. Self reporting makes you look better but I still think the end punishment will be the same. You may be right about the punishment ending up the same. (although I don't think 'punishment' is warranted in this case for a technical violation of the rule.) Coming forth with a previously, unreported rule issue, projects a spirit of transparency, compliance and cooperation. Whereas, the other is simply reactionary, damage control posturing.
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Post by dude on Nov 12, 2019 9:30:20 GMT -5
Understood but the end result should be the same. With that said, I seriously doubt MD was looking to help OSU if they were that ones who made the call.
A thought just occurred to me. If BIG TEN teams play in bowl games do all BIG TEN schools get a portion of the money?
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 12, 2019 10:20:06 GMT -5
Understood but the end result should be the same. With that said, I seriously doubt MD was looking to help OSU if they were that ones who made the call. A thought just occurred to me. If BIG TEN teams play in bowl games do all BIG TEN schools get a portion of the money? I don't disagree with you. I think there is a calculated sharing of the wealth, even for those that don't qualify for a post season bowl.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 12, 2019 13:31:00 GMT -5
DrTorch is the one suggesting it. He said it was on twitter....yes twitter. rofl Fillmore hates because he is jealous of my OSU connections when he has none, i never said the word "twitter" anywhere altho ya know, Trump uses Twitter, just for the record they were talking about it on the Broadcast dude, lolZ you are priceless Do not rolf me. In a post on another thread, you announced you gained information on the Chase Young Saga on "twitter". New info, from a far better source than "twitter", says coaches in Maryland notified Ohio State. My OSU connection was on Urban's staff. Your shat does not stink more, even though you obviously think it does, since you got the gig of Senior Staff Member. You are worthless.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 12, 2019 15:08:31 GMT -5
rofl Fillmore hates because he is jealous of my OSU connections when he has none, i never said the word "twitter" anywhere altho ya know, Trump uses Twitter, just for the record they were talking about it on the Broadcast dude, lolZ you are priceless Do not rolf me. In a post on another thread, you announced you gained information on the Chase Young Saga on "twitter". New info, from a far better source than "twitter", says coaches in Maryland notified Ohio State. My OSU connection was on Urban's staff. Your shat does not stink more, even though you obviously think it does, since you got the gig of Senior Staff Member. You are worthless. here is my quote on Chase from the OSU v Maryland thread: nowhere did i say the word "twitter", and even if i had twitter is a reliable source now, i mean guys like Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter use it for crying out loud you should work for CNN Willard Falsenews, time to get a refill on your Geritol script gosh you are so bad it's not even fun laughing at you anymore, it's just cruel
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 12, 2019 15:12:55 GMT -5
the funny thing is maybe he thought this would give the Terps an edge? "In my culture, this is considered a dick move." - Birdperson I think it's still important to note the fact it was reported to OSU authorities and not the NCAA.....supposedly. Still think they did us a big favor, in the end. i doubt doing us a favor was their intent, and they knew we would react immediately and not drag our feet like the NCAA would have again, nothing has happened to Bill Self, or Sean Miller, or Roy Williams...or even Penny Hardaway for that matter
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 12, 2019 15:15:10 GMT -5
LOLZ Fillmore thinks "Maryland" was referring to whom exactly? The President of Student Affairs? Of course it was a coach on staff. Good grief.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 22:43:37 GMT -5
Read that it was actually Jame Franklin that was the whistleblower
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 12, 2019 23:22:53 GMT -5
here is my quote on Chase from the OSU v Maryland thread: nowhere did i say the word "twitter", and even if i had twitter is a reliable source now, i mean guys like Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter use it for crying out loud you should work for CNN Willard Falsenews, time to get a refill on your Geritol script gosh you are so bad it's not even fun laughing at you anymore, it's just cruel Another untruth from you......Nov.10, 2019 at 9:31 am. Do the research. Ya twitter is so reliable, anyone can pick up someone's phone and tweet. Let me know when a faceless tweet will replace a witness in a court of law. YOU would be the the one with hate drooling out of the corner of your mouth. "Willard Falsenews" "get a refill on your Gerital script" "you are so bad it's not even fun laughing at you anymore". Such a childish individual. With a bloated ego, after given a new important gig on ncoast. BTW, with multiple drugstores and pharmacists in the family let me help, Geritol doesn't need a script, DrTouch Was your "source" on Urban's staff? Mine was.
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Post by galion on Nov 13, 2019 0:34:09 GMT -5
Willard, I don't know how to tell you this but there's been a little turnover on the OSU staff recently. Urban isn't there anymore, neither are some of his staff members. Have you been checked for dementia lately? That's a pretty serious thing at your age.
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Post by galion on Nov 13, 2019 0:38:14 GMT -5
Again, agent or not wouldn't a "close family friend" cover the kid's behind under the circumstances whether he paid the money back or not? I promise you that if this exact same scenario was playing out at any of those "reputable" southern institutions of higher learning that not a damned one of you would be buying any of this for a second. Wrong! If you have spent any time on a recent college campus you would know money gets borrowed and paid back between friends all the time. I have no doubt this same thing happens at all universities. I must have missed the part where the OSU campus now extends into the Maryland area.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 13, 2019 1:14:03 GMT -5
here is my quote on Chase from the OSU v Maryland thread: nowhere did i say the word "twitter", and even if i had twitter is a reliable source now, i mean guys like Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter use it for crying out loud you should work for CNN Willard Falsenews, time to get a refill on your Geritol script gosh you are so bad it's not even fun laughing at you anymore, it's just cruel Another untruth from you......Nov.10, 2019 at 9:31 am. Do the research. Ya twitter is so reliable, anyone can pick up someone's phone and tweet. Let me know when a faceless tweet will replace a witness in a court of law. YOU would be the the one with hate drooling out of the corner of your mouth. "Willard Falsenews" "get a refill on your Gerital script" "you are so bad it's not even fun laughing at you anymore". Such a childish individual. With a bloated ego, after given a new important gig on ncoast. BTW, with multiple drugstores and pharmacists in the family let me help, Geritol doesn't need a script, DrTouch Was your "source" on Urban's staff? Mine was. Aw Fillmore you're adorable. There's absolutely nothing I don't love about you.
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Post by dude on Nov 13, 2019 8:05:21 GMT -5
Wrong! If you have spent any time on a recent college campus you would know money gets borrowed and paid back between friends all the time. I have no doubt this same thing happens at all universities. I must have missed the part where the OSU campus now extends into the Maryland area. Most OSU campus kids do go home for a break over Christmas so in that regard your mind should be able to understand that the OSU campus extends all over the US of A. But even when in Cbus with the new thing called cell phones, you can instantly communicate with someone not on campus.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 13, 2019 8:28:12 GMT -5
One good thing is for sure, we can all stop this childish, contentious bantering, very soon (my hope is this week). We will get a ruling conclusion to this matter, Chase Young will once again be back in uniform and playing football for the Buckeyes. Then all the bi-tch slapping can stop....lol
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Post by ronburgandy on Nov 13, 2019 12:21:43 GMT -5
Young has officially been suspended one more game so he will be back against Penn State.
So now Rutgers will lose by only 51 instead of 52.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 13, 2019 13:04:30 GMT -5
Young has officially been suspended one more game so he will be back against Penn State. So now Rutgers will lose by only 51 instead of 52. Thank you Rongurgandy for dropping us the good news! The best post I've read in a long, long while! Welcome back Chase Young! He's going to be lean, mean and hungry!
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 13, 2019 13:33:43 GMT -5
Thought this poll on the Official Penn State Football website, was interesting and very revealing, of course it was accompanied with the usual bar graphs, but they wouldn't copy.:
HOW WILL PENN STATE FINISH THE REGULAR SEASON? 3-0 20% 2-1 67% 1-2 12% 0-3 02%
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 13, 2019 15:58:39 GMT -5
Fact is, this is a preemptive suspension by OSU, because there is an active investigation of the supposed 2018 incident. While some OSU fans will be prone to go ballistic on these reports, without knowing any details or facts of the matter, keep in mind this is simply a matter of clearing up a matter that allegedly occurred with an agent. The encouraging indications are: According to Lettermen Row's report, "multiple sources have indicated that the program is optimistic that Young will be cleared to return to Buckeyes this season, but a resolution for the matter still hasn’t been reached." If it turns out to be a mere game or two game suspension, some positives can be reaped from CY's non presence on the football field. First of which, is putting the talented, but largely inexperienced backups to the test and furthering the development and quality of a very deep DE group. Having the 'best player in America' foregoing on field action and risking injury in two meaningless games, where the outcome is without doubt, is a positive for the Buckeyes. Of course, we will never know if there would have been any injury or not, but we do know he will be fresh and ready for the Nittany Lions. As I pointed out prior, we got a whole group of young players put to the test and far more PT than they would have gotten otherwise. The Buckeyes have furthered their development as a result. Certainly, Javontae Jean-Baptiste, Jashon Cornell (R.S. Sr.), Tyreke Smith, Zach Harrison, Tyler Friday and Noah Potter have gained an inordinate amount of playing time and played with a resolve to meet the challenge that was unexpectedly, bestowed upon them. We have all seen the clever, innovative and creativeness of coach Day's defensive staff, on full display. Moving Rashod Berry over from offense and inserting him in certain gametime situations at DT and DE, while maintaining his TE status on offense, makes one take note of our defensive braintrust's brilliance. Also, rotating certain DE's to downlinemen as we saw Zach Harrison inserted at NT and I believe Jashon Cornell has been given a few situations at DT. Yet, in other situations, they added an additional LB and moved them to cover the edge. These coaches have incorporated a lot of adaptiveness and flexibility to meet most any offensive look and challenge they may encounter, during the course of the game. So many tactical moves have one thing at purpose, for sure, to give future opponents nightmares in preparing blocking assignments, trying to avoid mismatches and a lot of things on the minds of opposing OL's. All for one primary purpose: To have the opposition functioning in a reactionary mode and questioning their gameplan, during the course of the game. For this, the Buckeyes enjoy a marked advantage over their opponents. Coach Day is the first to admit his major area of expertise is on the offensive side of the ball and has turned the keys to the defense, over to a great group of coaches. What they have accomplished from the train wreck of 2018 is truly amazing. We can't give enough credit to Co-defensive coordinators Greg Mattison & Jeff Haffley and Larry Johnson and Al Washington. What a great staff coach Day has assembled. Most of these coaches are finalists on a long list of post season coaching awards. It's a great time to be a Buckeye fan, my friends!
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 21, 2019 6:48:35 GMT -5
This excellent YouTube video of Justin Fields H.S. baseball highlights, truly exemplifies his athletic prowess and versatility.
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Post by ronburgandy on Dec 2, 2019 14:40:03 GMT -5
Rumors that Al Washington may be getting the BC coaching job. Only one year at Ohio State. Also may be taking Don Brown with him.
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