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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 10:57:50 GMT -5
FYI If any of these go to the 3 man vote, I'm going to vote no, even if it's something I originally voted yes on. IMO a majority should vote yes for a rule change.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 20, 2019 12:55:12 GMT -5
meh it's not a big deal for me, i voted for NO but whatever
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Post by CEOSouth on Jul 20, 2019 13:49:46 GMT -5
We normally don't change a rule midseason anyway. Since there isn't an overwhelming yes to change, it may make the most sense to revisit in the offseason. This is correct. The only reason this is even an option for this year is because I can’t discern any reason it would give anyone an advantage/disadvantage one way or the other. Given some responses, I think he logical thing to do may be to revisit this one at the beginning of next year, especially since we may change platforms. At least now everyone knows what the rule *may be and gauge how it might have played out this year. If I would’ve voted earlier, I’d have voted yes.
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Post by sithbucknut77 on Jul 20, 2019 14:31:48 GMT -5
No harm in tabling that item.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 17:31:36 GMT -5
My trading block now includes:
Didi Gregorius Michael Conforto Nelson Cruz Matt Olson Brett Gardner Madison Bumgarner Jameson Taillon
I'm looking for assets I can carry into next year, so... 2 or 3 for 1 deals for someone I'd keep, active trade picks, legit minors players, etc. Serious offers only pls (you know who you are).
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Post by billyd1616 on Jul 22, 2019 12:44:16 GMT -5
Goldie and Softcovks should be embarrassed
Pronkx rules 🤘
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 12:59:34 GMT -5
Goldie and Softcovks should be embarrassed Pronkx rules 🤘 Every dog has his day...
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Post by sithbucknut77 on Jul 22, 2019 16:50:01 GMT -5
Something as come up that I think we need to discuss. It involves minors add/drops.
Yesterday DRT posted an add/drop. What gave me pause was who the drop was. His 2nd minors pick from the most recent draft. I wonder the legality of the transaction due the stated roster limit of 15. Yes I know we bump to 17 for the draft. Every move I have considered personally is working within that framework of 15 roster spots and I view my draft picks as "something extra" that I have to deal with next year when we cut down to 15.
If that move is "good" then I see an issue with the legitimacy of the summer draft in general. I could trade all my picks and then turn around and do "free agent" adds to put my roster at 17. I don't know if that is within the spirit of the roster rules.
Thoughts?
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Post by CEOSouth on Jul 22, 2019 17:46:30 GMT -5
I’m not sure how it’s been done in the past, but I do think we may have come across this before.
The extra slots were meant for those draft picks and those draft picks only
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Post by billyd1616 on Jul 22, 2019 18:23:27 GMT -5
Goldie and Softcovks should be embarrassed Pronkx rules 🤘 Every dog has his day... Woof
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 20:39:36 GMT -5
I never did trust a pitcher named Homer.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 23, 2019 4:07:55 GMT -5
I’m not sure how it’s been done in the past, but I do think we may have come across this before. The extra slots were meant for those draft picks and those draft picks only i thought rosters expanding meant they expanded but it's not really a big deal, just delete my tranny and i will keep the Mauricio
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 7:59:32 GMT -5
Luis Severino to season ending DL please.
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Post by CEOSouth on Jul 23, 2019 11:43:24 GMT -5
I’m not sure how it’s been done in the past, but I do think we may have come across this before. The extra slots were meant for those draft picks and those draft picks only i thought rosters expanding meant they expanded but it's not really a big deal, just delete my tranny and i will keep the Mauricio The rule is probably not written coherently by me. I think we have dealt with this in the past but I could be just making up memories in my head...I am getting to that age. We could probably rename those two slots the ‘Draft Slots’ and make Draft Slot picks only tradable with other draft slot picks through the end of that year
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 11:54:09 GMT -5
Yeah, otherwise I am penalized pretty hard for trading away my minors draft picks if those draft picks are attached to general purpose minors list spots.
I propose a vote, that we just expand minors rosters to 17 after the draft regardless if you drafted or not, and it has to be trimmed to 15 at the time keepers are due. You can use the slots for whatever. Keep it simple...
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Post by CEOSouth on Jul 23, 2019 15:46:43 GMT -5
If we go that route, we minimize the minors draft pick value.
And how about a team like SOX this year. Would his 19 roster slots all be open as well?
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Post by sithbucknut77 on Jul 23, 2019 16:03:16 GMT -5
I lean to the roster limits are fixed(currently 15) then the 2 rd expansion for the summer draft only. If I'm willing to trade a minor pick, I do that with understanding I "lose" that particular asset. If I can fill those slots after the draft without dropping anyone from my "filled" roster then I have no problem trading minors picks. Additionally I think that devalues the minors picks to point that a top 5 picks value isnt that much different than 15-20.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 17:10:32 GMT -5
I am confused by what you guys mean by it devalues the pick. I see the minors pick as a first chance to get a specific guy from the current draft class, not so much that you are gaining a roster spot. Maybe that's why you are all so excited to take my picks???
As far as people with over 17 players, I would do something similar to active draft where if they traded for more than the limit, they have to be under the limit by some certain point, not sure what that would be. Maybe before they are able to add any more players? So they are at 19, can't trade or add until at the limit. I thought that's what the rule was anyway?
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Post by CEOSouth on Jul 23, 2019 17:38:40 GMT -5
I tend to lean more towards what SITH is saying
I’m not 100% sure what the rule was before, I’ve just always operated under the assumption that players draft are for those slot, and that’s why if you trade a pick away, you don’t go to 17
Tbh, maybe we’ve never dealt with this before.
Maybe we’ve never had an owner so terrible at drafting minors that he wants to drop his drafted player less than a month later... :shrug:
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Post by tigeralum01 on Jul 23, 2019 17:52:38 GMT -5
We probably didnt run into last year. That was the first year we did the mid year minors draft.
I mean lets be honest... if anyone would have done it, it would have been OG Pronk
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Post by sithbucknut77 on Jul 23, 2019 21:44:22 GMT -5
Guys of available to some degree or another: Freeman Seager Anderson Gennett Turner Springer Bryant Kepler Puig Casty Hicks Davis
Pitching, pitching, pitching in return.....
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 24, 2019 1:47:23 GMT -5
I tend to lean more towards what SITH is saying I’m not 100% sure what the rule was before, I’ve just always operated under the assumption that players draft are for those slot, and that’s why if you trade a pick away, you don’t go to 17 Tbh, maybe we’ve never dealt with this before. Maybe we’ve never had an owner so terrible at drafting minors that he wants to drop his drafted player less than a month later... :shrug: :+(
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Post by CEOSouth on Jul 25, 2019 10:49:40 GMT -5
Trade Block
Notable players: Altuve Ozuna Stanton Ketel Marte Danny Santana Paxton Strasburg Kimbrel Bauer And everyone ranked lower
By no means am I just giving these players away
Probably not getting: Thor Arenado Story Yelich Cole
Looking for elite prospects
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Post by tigeralum01 on Jul 25, 2019 10:56:38 GMT -5
Trade Block Notable players: Stanton Strasburg BUMS!
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Post by CEOSouth on Jul 25, 2019 13:01:33 GMT -5
Trade Block Notable players: Stanton Strasburg BUMS! I was pretty sure I won the Stanton trade at the time. Now I’m pretty sure I didn’t. Dude has spent half his time on my roster injured
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Post by tigeralum01 on Jul 25, 2019 21:14:42 GMT -5
Still looking to add some hitting before the deadline
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 26, 2019 2:10:39 GMT -5
Something as come up that I think we need to discuss. It involves minors add/drops. Yesterday DRT posted an add/drop. What gave me pause was who the drop was. His 2nd minors pick from the most recent draft. I wonder the legality of the transaction due the stated roster limit of 15. Yes I know we bump to 17 for the draft. Every move I have considered personally is working within that framework of 15 roster spots and I view my draft picks as "something extra" that I have to deal with next year when we cut down to 15. If that move is "good" then I see an issue with the legitimacy of the summer draft in general. I could trade all my picks and then turn around and do "free agent" adds to put my roster at 17. I don't know if that is within the spirit of the roster rules. Thoughts? ok i've had some time to meditate on this and here are a few thoughts: 1. what would happen if, right after the minors draft i trade one of the guys i drafted, and that leaves me with an open roster spot...am i able to sign a guy as a FA to fill my empty 17th roster spot? 2. in a more specific instance, Ronnie Mauricio was eligible to be signed as a FA before the 2019 minors draft, does that mean guys like him (as opposed to Andrew Vaughn or CJ Abrams) can be handled differently since everyone already had a chance to sign him? again, i am cool with whatever but i think these are questions that, if we go with a hard rule, should be considered and answered beforehand
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Post by sithbucknut77 on Jul 26, 2019 6:39:40 GMT -5
TIG - woodruff is on Tesla's minor roster
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Post by sithbucknut77 on Jul 26, 2019 7:21:10 GMT -5
Something as come up that I think we need to discuss. It involves minors add/drops. Yesterday DRT posted an add/drop. What gave me pause was who the drop was. His 2nd minors pick from the most recent draft. I wonder the legality of the transaction due the stated roster limit of 15. Yes I know we bump to 17 for the draft. Every move I have considered personally is working within that framework of 15 roster spots and I view my draft picks as "something extra" that I have to deal with next year when we cut down to 15. If that move is "good" then I see an issue with the legitimacy of the summer draft in general. I could trade all my picks and then turn around and do "free agent" adds to put my roster at 17. I don't know if that is within the spirit of the roster rules. Thoughts? ok i've had some time to meditate on this and here are a few thoughts: 1. what would happen if, right after the minors draft i trade one of the guys i drafted, and that leaves me with an open roster spot...am i able to sign a guy as a FA to fill my empty 17th roster spot? 2. in a more specific instance, Ronnie Mauricio was eligible to be signed as a FA before the 2019 minors draft, does that mean guys like him (as opposed to Andrew Vaughn or CJ Abrams) can be handled differently since everyone already had a chance to sign him? again, i am cool with whatever but i think these are questions that, if we go with a hard rule, should be considered and answered beforehand All good points that merit further discussion and possible voting.
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Post by tigeralum01 on Jul 26, 2019 7:25:23 GMT -5
TIG - woodruff is on Tesla's minor roster Just call me Pronk.... my bad
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