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Post by allfor1 on Mar 9, 2019 18:06:02 GMT -5
The problem isn't the open enrollment formula or how many students are open enrolled. The problem is that "PUBLIC" schools manipulate their enrollment to stay within a certain athletic division, which never seems to be division 1. Private schools are an entirely different boat. But to tell me that a "PUBLIC" school in the Columbus City School District has less than 200 girls enrolled, there must be a different meaning to the word "PUBLIC" that they teach in Franklin County.
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 9, 2019 18:39:15 GMT -5
The problem isn't the open enrollment formula or how many students are open enrolled. The problem is that "PUBLIC" schools manipulate their enrollment to stay within a certain athletic division, which never seems to be division 1. Private schools are an entirely different boat. But to tell me that a "PUBLIC" school in the Columbus City School District has less than 200 girls enrolled, there must be a different meaning to the word "PUBLIC" that they teach in Franklin County. i was always thinking that a public school, which is paid for by taxes in that schools district, was to support students in its "district" but columbus has its own set of rules which they call a lottery.. their school district is something like the I-70 wrap around the city.. not sure how that is a public school but they seem to do it...
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Post by Green Falcon on Mar 9, 2019 18:46:48 GMT -5
The problem isn't the open enrollment formula or how many students are open enrolled. The problem is that "PUBLIC" schools manipulate their enrollment to stay within a certain athletic division, which never seems to be division 1. Private schools are an entirely different boat. But to tell me that a "PUBLIC" school in the Columbus City School District has less than 200 girls enrolled, there must be a different meaning to the word "PUBLIC" that they teach in Franklin County. It's not a traditional public school. Students must apply to go there because it is an early college school with higher standards. So as a result they'll have less kids and students transfering in every year as part of the application process.
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 9, 2019 19:08:04 GMT -5
The problem isn't the open enrollment formula or how many students are open enrolled. The problem is that "PUBLIC" schools manipulate their enrollment to stay within a certain athletic division, which never seems to be division 1. Private schools are an entirely different boat. But to tell me that a "PUBLIC" school in the Columbus City School District has less than 200 girls enrolled, there must be a different meaning to the word "PUBLIC" that they teach in Franklin County. It's not a traditional public school. Students must apply to go there because it is an early college school with higher standards. So as a result they'll have less kids and students transfering in every year as part of the application process. had this ongoing discussion with Africentric parents on social media.. they kept telling me the same thing over and over... their school is only so big,, and the students are chosen by a lottery.. and they just happen to be good at basketball.. i said so you did not apply for this school the columbus school district did a blind draw and you had to go there? the answer was..yes we applied..i said can you send me the application? i'm still waiting on it.. i was told "and they're not very bright" by one parent that he coached 3 of these girls during middle school, and they were friends with a few others from another school..... hmmm now they're all teammates ? what are the odds in a 700,000 district lottery??? something sounds very fishy...very fishy.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 9, 2019 19:10:49 GMT -5
Same odds as aforementioned lottery.
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Post by Observer on Mar 9, 2019 20:17:44 GMT -5
What did Santoro say that upset the Rogers coach?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 20:32:39 GMT -5
What did Santoro say that upset the Rogers coach? They were the better team tonight. They’re from Toledo, they got 100,000 people to choose from. We all know what they do,”
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Post by Observer on Mar 9, 2019 21:09:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. With a +34 everybody knows what they do. My niece went to Rogers. She always said at basketball time they would always ask, who are these girls? Where did they come from? Enough said.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 7:47:46 GMT -5
They should just give championship trophies to Rogers, And Africentric (Columbus All Stars), And be done with. They make it, very not worth watching, I would never go to Columbus to watch any of it. Just curious how many Africentric fans made the trip up to Lexington, 20 ? On BCSN, Looked like Margaretta had they're side full and some on the Nubian side. I'm glad the Bellevue coach said what he did.
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Post by bull on Mar 10, 2019 8:13:57 GMT -5
with all of this being said, congrats to both Margeretta and Bellevue girls for a great season and going as far in the state tourney as they ever will. Sad to see loop holes and behind the scenes dealing break the hearts of so many young girls. Just wonder..if local coaches had the pick of 100,000 surrounding people, (Bellevue,Willard, Perkins, Tiffin) don't be offended, just examples... could they compete. I know it's out there, but food for thought, it's like standing in someone else's shoes!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 8:39:18 GMT -5
I’ll play devil’s advocate here. If you lived in big urban city and had a big time player asa son/daughter are you going to send them to the established program or the bad program you live in? Anyone that’s ever been in those Toledo city school buildings knows they are all pretty much the same. I don’t know if that’s true about Africentric/Columbus city schools
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Post by bull on Mar 10, 2019 8:58:30 GMT -5
I agree with what you say because you are saying exactly what happens. It just is.. not going to change. I am old school for school for sure, but I can say this, from this point forward, I could not give a crap who wins the state tourney at any level.
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 10, 2019 9:24:04 GMT -5
I’ll play devil’s advocate here. If you lived in big urban city and had a big time player asa son/daughter are you going to send them to the established program or the bad program you live in? Anyone that’s ever been in those Toledo city school buildings knows they are all pretty much the same. I don’t know if that’s true about Africentric/Columbus city schools interesting question..would it mean more if you did it in the "town" you grew up in. or with your AAU friends at a school 10 miles out of your district.. you walk the halls of Toledo Central Catholic...down the old hall is the old gym.. with all the memories, its old school its outdated..but its a established historic gym... at the other end is the new gym.. all clean and shiny .. kinda like st john arena vs the shott... old school me, would want to play my state title game at st john arena...
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 10, 2019 11:53:19 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with tradition. It has nothing to do with facilities. It is entirely about being seen by college coaches on the bigger stage. That’s why a premier player and their family want to attend a school that’s a perennial winner. Who can blame them? If the OHSAA wants it to stop they need a competitive balance formula with teeth. My opinion is if they don’t interest in the final four will disappear with us old guys. The next generation won’t care. Their interest will wane like their interest in playing sports in general.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 10, 2019 11:59:08 GMT -5
Speaking of competitive balance, again, how is it every year Rogers is DI boys basketball, but II for girls?
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Post by allfor1 on Mar 10, 2019 12:36:59 GMT -5
Speaking of competitive balance, again, how is it every year Rogers is DI boys basketball, but II for girls? Again, it goes to the real issue of manipulation of enrollment. Rogers coach was actually dumb enough to actually admit that, without saying it, when replying to Coach Santoro's comments
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Post by cbus on Mar 10, 2019 12:37:43 GMT -5
with all of this being said, congrats to both Margeretta and Bellevue girls for a great season and going as far in the state tourney as they ever will. Sad to see loop holes and behind the scenes dealing break the hearts of so many young girls. Just wonder..if local coaches had the pick of 100,000 surrounding people, (Bellevue,Willard, Perkins, Tiffin) don't be offended, just examples... could they compete. I know it's out there, but food for thought, it's like standing in someone else's shoes!!!!! That’s a good question. Rogers has the #1 rated point guard in the country, a 6’ soph that just passed the 1,000 point mark and a 6’2” senior. Also they have a soph guard that seems just as quick and as good as the Santoros. Bottom line-a real good team and doubtful an all-star team from north central Ohio could beat them (although I haven’t seen many teams).
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 10, 2019 12:47:02 GMT -5
with all of this being said, congrats to both Margeretta and Bellevue girls for a great season and going as far in the state tourney as they ever will. Sad to see loop holes and behind the scenes dealing break the hearts of so many young girls. Just wonder..if local coaches had the pick of 100,000 surrounding people, (Bellevue,Willard, Perkins, Tiffin) don't be offended, just examples... could they compete. I know it's out there, but food for thought, it's like standing in someone else's shoes!!!!! That’s a good question. Rogers has the #1 rated point guard in the country, a 6’ soph that just passed the 1,000 point mark and a 6’2” senior. Also they have a soph guard that seems just as quick and as good as the Santoros. Bottom line-a real good team and doubtful an all-star team from north central Ohio could beat them (although I haven’t seen many teams). Africentric is better than Rogers..not by a lot but seeing both play.. i'd give them the edge by about 10
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 10, 2019 19:24:16 GMT -5
Put these kinda schools at D1 and be done with it.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 10, 2019 19:58:56 GMT -5
Rogers competitive balance number for girls basketball is +34. Africentric is +20. Margaretta is +6 while Bellevue is +1. What do these numbers mean? ohsaa.org/Sports-Tournaments/Basketball-Girls/Girls-Basketball-2018-190 = lives within your HS/MS attendance zones. +1 = open enrolled student on your girls basketball roster (2017-18 - grades 9-12) from outside your attendance zone BUT has been in your designated middle school since 7th grade. +2 = open enrolled student on your girls basketball roster (2017-18 - grades 9-12) from outside your attendance zone BUT did not attend your designated middle school since 7th grade. Note the +2 multiplier for basketball is five. For example, if you have three girls who are +2 then that actually means those three girls = 15 (five each). So...if you have 36 girls in your basketball program (freshmen, JV, varsity) that means a +34 could be nearly every girl is a +1 OR it means there are a bunch of +2 and some +1 which I believe to be the case for Rogers and likely Africentric. It is what it is but to ever expect schools like Margaretta or Bellevue or anyone else in the area to get over that hump in this AAU day and age is unlikely. By the way, who wins in a game between Rogers and Africentric? The REAL question is, why doesn't anyone want to open enroll or move to Bellevue?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 10, 2019 20:01:15 GMT -5
The problem isn't the open enrollment formula or how many students are open enrolled. The problem is that "PUBLIC" schools manipulate their enrollment to stay within a certain athletic division, which never seems to be division 1. Private schools are an entirely different boat. But to tell me that a "PUBLIC" school in the Columbus City School District has less than 200 girls enrolled, there must be a different meaning to the word "PUBLIC" that they teach in Franklin County. PLEASE explain, how do public schools "manipulate their numbers"?? We await your expertise.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 10, 2019 20:21:01 GMT -5
Rogers competitive balance number for girls basketball is +34. Africentric is +20. Margaretta is +6 while Bellevue is +1. What do these numbers mean? ohsaa.org/Sports-Tournaments/Basketball-Girls/Girls-Basketball-2018-190 = lives within your HS/MS attendance zones. +1 = open enrolled student on your girls basketball roster (2017-18 - grades 9-12) from outside your attendance zone BUT has been in your designated middle school since 7th grade. +2 = open enrolled student on your girls basketball roster (2017-18 - grades 9-12) from outside your attendance zone BUT did not attend your designated middle school since 7th grade. Note the +2 multiplier for basketball is five. For example, if you have three girls who are +2 then that actually means those three girls = 15 (five each). So...if you have 36 girls in your basketball program (freshmen, JV, varsity) that means a +34 could be nearly every girl is a +1 OR it means there are a bunch of +2 and some +1 which I believe to be the case for Rogers and likely Africentric. It is what it is but to ever expect schools like Margaretta or Bellevue or anyone else in the area to get over that hump in this AAU day and age is unlikely. By the way, who wins in a game between Rogers and Africentric? The +5 per each proves that Rogers and Africentric are lousy recruiters when compared to ASVSM and Carroll.
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Post by btown on Mar 10, 2019 21:08:08 GMT -5
This is Madison Royal Davis, one of the 6'0 sophs on the Rogers Basketball team, was featured on a Toledo newstation two summers ago. With the way this broadcast was done, you would've thought that Rogers was a college recruiting recruiting high school girls in the Toledo area. But this video was about an eigth grader who attended middle school in the Toledo Area and it is just plain weird. Now is there a pool of females like the ones on the Rogers basketball team in the Toledo Public School District roaming the streets. I didn't think they could be walking the halls at Bowsher, Waite, Woodward, Scott, or Start, and what about Washington Local (Whitmer) or Sylvania. Remember when Toledo CC or Notre Dame would go up against Margaretta in the 90s with the Polar Bears stealing a few victories here and there. Its weird seeing a TPS school like Rogers hanging with the big boys or should I say big girls (Notre Dame, St Ursula, Central Catholic, etc and knocking them off as if they were a parochial power.
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Post by usramfan on Mar 11, 2019 15:13:43 GMT -5
The problem isn't the open enrollment formula or how many students are open enrolled. The problem is that "PUBLIC" schools manipulate their enrollment to stay within a certain athletic division, which never seems to be division 1.Private schools are an entirely different boat. But to tell me that a "PUBLIC" school in the Columbus City School District has less than 200 girls enrolled, there must be a different meaning to the word "PUBLIC" that they teach in Franklin County. Do you really believe that? I mean, when tax dollars are often at stake, do you believe that is a district's main motivation?
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Post by usramfan on Mar 11, 2019 15:53:19 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I am in the minority on this, but I'll say it anyway.....if you are going to openly accuse an opponent of "recruiting," then you better have proof and report it to the OHSAA. Otherwise, IMO, you are engaging in slander, and it is a bad look for you and your school district. The previous 7 times you played them, you didn't make such an insinuation, so why is this time any different?
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 11, 2019 16:01:19 GMT -5
Random question; who did Clyde beat to go to State 2x earlier this decade?
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Post by awebgsu on Mar 11, 2019 16:08:40 GMT -5
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 11, 2019 16:14:41 GMT -5
Wasn't sure if Lady Fliers had to go through Rogers.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 11, 2019 18:47:26 GMT -5
This is Madison Royal Davis, one of the 6'0 sophs on the Rogers Basketball team, was featured on a Toledo newstation two summers ago. With the way this broadcast was done, you would've thought that Rogers was a college recruiting recruiting high school girls in the Toledo area. But this video was about an eigth grader who attended middle school in the Toledo Area and it is just plain weird. Now is there a pool of females like the ones on the Rogers basketball team in the Toledo Public School District roaming the streets. I didn't think they could be walking the halls at Bowsher, Waite, Woodward, Scott, or Start, and what about Washington Local (Whitmer) or Sylvania. Remember when Toledo CC or Notre Dame would go up against Margaretta in the 90s with the Polar Bears stealing a few victories here and there. Its weird seeing a TPS school like Rogers hanging with the big boys or should I say big girls (Notre Dame, St Ursula, Central Catholic, etc and knocking them off as if they were a parochial power. Did you ever watch "Field of Dreams" and know the sentence that made it famous?
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 11, 2019 18:58:47 GMT -5
Wasn't sure if Lady Fliers had to go through Rogers. Regionals..... 2013 Clyde beat Norton,,rogers beat bath..clyde beat rogers... clyde lost to hathaway brown at state 2012 Bath Beat Rogers, Clyde beat manchester, bath beat clyde ... bath lost to west holmes at state 2011 Clyde beat Walsh Jesuit, bath beat keystone, clyde beat bath ... clyde lost to dayton carroll at state.
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