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Post by crimson5 on Mar 13, 2019 22:42:24 GMT -5
Scott T was correct. Coldwater was a handful. We got out rebounded by 12, which was my fear going in,,, we only made 5 of the 13 FT's we took. Just did not have enough in the tank to handle our opponent whose team was comprised of 8 seniors and they looked more physically mature as well. If we played lights out, we probably keep it close but still lose by 5-6 points. Great Season. Great improvement and just keep getting better in different areas. I thought they were a really high basketball IQ team, they all saw the floor well, moved the ball well, knew where each other was suppose to be all the time, they were more athletic than I thought, and #14 was the best player on the court.....by far.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 13, 2019 22:47:21 GMT -5
agree that they are hot. But guess who else is hot.I think it'll be a great game. Us getting out in transition and using our speed will be huge. Can't speak for coldwater but hope there in shape which at this time of year they should be but don't know if they've had to run with these thourobreads before Coldwater looked like Secretariat did you even watch the game?the rebounds we got we beat them down the floor but when they shoot it like they did its hard to fast break.I didn't see them beating us down the floor so you saying that they ran us into the ground is false.we had plenty of layups we just couldn't finish tonite.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 13, 2019 22:48:46 GMT -5
I agree C5. They were one step ahead of us all night. You could tell they spent a lot of time on the court together. Veteran team vs a younger team, and it showed.
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Post by usramfan on Mar 13, 2019 22:50:10 GMT -5
I hate to be a downer but Coldwater wins this game because their rugged MAC schedule will have them prepared. The lights will be too bright for Willard. Probably the dumbest thing said on this thread. Doesn't look so dumb now, now does it?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 13, 2019 22:51:15 GMT -5
Scott T was correct. Coldwater was a handful. We got out rebounded by 12, which was my fear going in,,, we only made 5 of the 13 FT's we took. Just did not have enough in the tank to handle our opponent whose team was comprised of 8 seniors and they looked more physically mature as well. If we played lights out, we probably keep it close but still lose by 5-6 points. Great Season. Great improvement and just keep getting better in different areas. "looked more physically mature". My point about some of them playing COLDWATER football. ALSO, their German ancestry and most being farm boys.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 13, 2019 22:52:02 GMT -5
I agree C5. They were one step ahead of us all night. You could tell they spent a lot of time on the court together. Veteran team vs a younger team, and it showed. we'll be back next year.the willard haters will be out in force. At least we got the regionals. Fine accomplishment for these young men. Go flashes and see you haters next year.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Mar 13, 2019 22:52:55 GMT -5
Coldwater made 28 baskets on the night. They had 24 assists.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 13, 2019 22:58:25 GMT -5
Coldwater looked like Secretariat did you even watch the game?the rebounds we got we beat them down the floor but when they shoot it like they did its hard to fast break.I didn't see them beating us down the floor so you saying that they ran us into the ground is false.we had plenty of layups we just couldn't finish tonite. Look deeper into the stats. Willard made 18 of 39 2-pointers. Coldwater made 16 of 27 2-pointers. Willard had to make A LOT more layups, Willard got beat on the boards, how many offensive boards and and put backs did the shorter Coldwater get?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 13, 2019 23:02:31 GMT -5
I agree C5. They were one step ahead of us all night. You could tell they spent a lot of time on the court together. Veteran team vs a younger team, and it showed. we'll be back next year.the willard haters will be out in force. At least we got the regionals. Fine accomplishment for these young men. Go flashes and see you haters next year. x, YOU are the "hater". Each of your posts is filled with it. You bring it upon yourself. BTW, what kind of defense where you taught playing for Haas?
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Post by xlegend on Mar 13, 2019 23:05:35 GMT -5
did you even watch the game?the rebounds we got we beat them down the floor but when they shoot it like they did its hard to fast break.I didn't see them beating us down the floor so you saying that they ran us into the ground is false.we had plenty of layups we just couldn't finish tonite. Look deeper into the stats. Willard made 18 of 39 2-pointers. Coldwater made 16 of 27 2-pointers. Willard had to make A LOT more layups, Willard got beat on the boards, how many offensive boards and and put backs did the shorter Coldwater get? not saying that's why we lost not st all But to say coldwater was"secritariat" is false. They hardly fast breaked at all. Cone down and ran very good offense and once they got open they made their shots.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 13, 2019 23:16:43 GMT -5
we'll be back next year.the willard haters will be out in force. At least we got the regionals. Fine accomplishment for these young men. Go flashes and see you haters next year. x, YOU are the "hater". Each of your posts is filled with it. You bring it upon yourself. BTW, what kind of defense where you taught playing for Haas? btw. Go make another bet. None of their basketball players were close to 240lbs.but willi knows everything. Just ask him. Not.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 14, 2019 0:23:49 GMT -5
Probably the dumbest thing said on this thread. Doesn't look so dumb now, now does it? Scroll up and read, yep..still stupid. BTW, how did it feel not seeing the Rams on the court tonight.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 14, 2019 8:05:15 GMT -5
I think we'd have to go back a long way to find a game where a team made 12-21 in 3 pointers against us. Teams get hot, I get that. Three aspects of the game I did think we just did not perform well on. 1--FT shooting. Being tired as an excuse to missing FT's---Jimmy and Nick still made them when they were tired. If being tired is the reason---then we had better work on conditioning. 2--Team offense at times during the game. More than once we just stood around and looked confused. Ending up with a semi wild off balance shot. Credit to Coldwater for 50% of that. 3-- Team defense. Time and again we lost our guy on defense which created backdoor layups and also wide open 3 point shots. 12-21 went in.
We have to give credit to Coldwater for playing a very sound game on both ends of the court, because they did. They were the best team we played all season and I think they def brought their A game.
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Post by dude on Mar 14, 2019 8:24:20 GMT -5
I think we'd have to go back a long way to find a game where a team made 12-21 in 3 pointers against us. Teams get hot, I get that. Three aspects of the game I did think we just did not perform well on. 1--FT shooting. Being tired as an excuse to missing FT's---Jimmy and Nick still made them when they were tired. If being tired is the reason---then we had better work on conditioning. 2--Team offense at times during the game. More than once we just stood around and looked confused. Ending up with a semi wild off balance shot. Credit to Coldwater for 50% of that. 3-- Team defense. Time and again we lost our guy on defense which created backdoor layups and also wide open 3 point shots. 12-21 went in. We have to give credit to Coldwater for playing a very sound game on both ends of the court, because they did. They were the best team we played all season and I think they def brought their A game. They had shot like that in other games so it wasn't something miraculous. 1. Jimmy and Nick are not on this team. Do these kids and future kids a favor and let the comparisons die. 2. Watching highlights all season, those shots were a part of the Willard offense for 25 games but it worked so it's okay. 3. Also in the highlights you can see many unguarded shots by Willard opponents. Hope is a good thing but in basketball, hoping for a miss will get you beat. You must give credit to Coldwater because they are a good team and they proved by who they beat to get there. In Regional Semis, you were the best team you had played all season but you may not be in their top 10. Which may say why they are moving on. Good season Flashes. Glad to have local success.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 14, 2019 8:35:46 GMT -5
"dude" sometimes you come off as a know it all guru of sports---you are not sir. Your Item 3 I agree on,,,your items 1-2 I disagree. Making 12-21 in HS in 3's----may happen 10% of games they play is my guess. College teams maybe 25% of the time. I think Willard saw Coldwaters' best,,,for that I give Coldwater credit. I also said in an earlier post,,,if the Flashes had matched the performance,,we still probably lose by 5-6 points, so I am realistic.
I'm willing to donate to a charity $500 that Coldwater will not make 12-21 again vs Stritch. Yes they did against OG and Willard I agree,,,that kind of "hotness" does not continue imo. Leaving shooters unguarded does get you in trouble eventually --totally agree
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 14, 2019 9:52:23 GMT -5
Flashes are a good team in a weaker district. It’s a different world now. They seem to have a little of that old mojo going. We will see in a few days.
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Post by Willard Dad on Mar 14, 2019 10:39:37 GMT -5
I see the Norwalk fans are out in full force, they don't know how to root for their own team they only attack Willard. Great season by the Flashes and great game by Coldwater. Obviously Willard would have beat Coldwater if Willard would have just played Golden State, Philadelphia and Houston. As Norwalk fans have pointed out the better team doesn't win, the team with the tougher schedule wins.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 14, 2019 10:58:20 GMT -5
I've said for weeks now that the only way you beat willard is that you better be crazy good from 20 feet. That's what happened last night.we ran into a buzzsaw.I'm rooting for coldwater to go all.
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Post by sport24278 on Mar 14, 2019 11:01:05 GMT -5
I see the Norwalk fans are out in full force, they don't know how to root for their own team they only attack Willard. Great season by the Flashes and great game by Coldwater. Obviously Willard would have beat Coldwater if Willard would have just played Golden State, Philadelphia and Houston. As Norwalk fans have pointed out the better team doesn't win, the team with the tougher schedule wins. who are the norwalk fans that you constantly reference, besides portwalk? norwalk sold out of their ticket allotment for tonights game and had to get more, so you look silly when you say they dont know how to root for their team.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 14, 2019 11:17:15 GMT -5
x, YOU are the "hater". Each of your posts is filled with it. You bring it upon yourself. BTW, what kind of defense where you taught playing for Haas? btw. Go make another bet. None of their basketball players were close to 240lbs.but willi knows everything. Just ask him. Not. Come on x, don't be untruthful. Show us where I said Coldwater HAD players that weighed 240. What I was implying was that they would be just as physical and strong if not more so than Willard, due to Coldwater football and the weight training they do over there. My thought was proven correct by Buckeyekid, when he said Coldwater players were more "physically mature". Just being 18 does not automatically make one "physically mature", that comes from work in the weight room. Even if some basketball players didn't play football, the same lifting coach is working with all athletes, Football. baseball AND basketball. I've seen Coldwater athletes that played all three sports. Some play multiple sports and most look similar physically. AGAIN, what kind of defense did Coach Haas coach you to play?
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Post by dude on Mar 14, 2019 11:23:46 GMT -5
"dude" sometimes you come off as a know it all guru of sports---you are not sir. Your Item 3 I agree on,,,your items 1-2 I disagree. Making 12-21 in HS in 3's----may happen 10% of games they play is my guess. College teams maybe 25% of the time. I think Willard saw Coldwaters' best,,,for that I give Coldwater credit. I also said in an earlier post,,,if the Flashes had matched the performance,,we still probably lose by 5-6 points, so I am realistic. I'm willing to donate to a charity $500 that Coldwater will not make 12-21 again vs Stritch. Yes they did against OG and Willard I agree,,,that kind of "hotness" does not continue imo. Leaving shooters unguarded does get you in trouble eventually --totally agree Never ever considered myself to be a know it all guru but some on here might think they are. Things change all the time and I learn something new all the time. Today is not the same as yesterday, last week, last month or like Willard in 1982. You do not have to agree with me and that is just fine. AMERICA! But the fact that some old timers cannot cheer for a Willard team with a reference to better times is a sad observation from an outsider. Specially for the kids and coaches who are working hard on today's game. Making 12 of 21 with a hand in your face can be difficult, but a good shooters can do much better when unguarded as many of these shots were. Don't forget that Coldwater hit three of those 3s in the 4th after they were already up 20+. For sure it's a much safer bet they will have a lower shooting percentage in their next game but because they have had multiple games shooting it well you plan for their best. You do not hope you get their worst in Regionals.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 14, 2019 11:26:13 GMT -5
Look deeper into the stats. Willard made 18 of 39 2-pointers. Coldwater made 16 of 27 2-pointers. Willard had to make A LOT more layups, Willard got beat on the boards, how many offensive boards and and put backs did the shorter Coldwater get? not saying that's why we lost not st all But to say coldwater was"secritariat" is false. They hardly fast breaked at all. Cone down and ran very good offense and once they got open they made their shots. Since when are fast breaks a cure all and automatically win games? You know that to fast break you first have to get defensive rebounds. Willard was taller across the lineups, but got out rebounded. Willard should have gotten offensive rebounds for put back baskets. AGAIN, how many of Coldwater's were offensive rebounds that resulted in put back baskets? Way more important than "fast break" baskets. Not just their 3-point shooting, Coldwater also made a significantly higher % of their 2-pointers than Willard did. secritariate[sic]?? Learn to detect sarcasm.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 14, 2019 12:05:09 GMT -5
No doubt he's 240, and stronger than most at 240 Have you ever seen a Coldwater football roster? I don't know, but would be willing to bet, they have a lot of 'em on the basketball roster as well. see. You said it. What I saw is basketball players not football players. What the hell you guys looking at.they didn't make us look small at all if anything I thought we were taller and more athletic. No one on there team looked like a beefy football player.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 14, 2019 12:07:29 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many t.o. cw had
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Post by xlegend on Mar 14, 2019 12:10:03 GMT -5
btw. Go make another bet. None of their basketball players were close to 240lbs.but willi knows everything. Just ask him. Not. Come on x, don't be untruthful. Show us where I said Coldwater HAD players that weighed 240. What I was implying was that they would be just as physical and strong if not more so than Willard, due to Coldwater football and the weight training they do over there. My thought was proven correct by Buckeyekid, when he said Coldwater players were more "physically mature". Just being 18 does not automatically make one "physically mature", that comes from work in the weight room. Even if some basketball players didn't play football, the same lifting coach is working with all athletes, Football. baseball AND basketball. I've seen Coldwater athletes that played all three sports. Some play multiple sports and most look similar physically. AGAIN, what kind of defense did Coach Haas coach you to play? nice back peddling willi.
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Post by sportsfan15 on Mar 14, 2019 13:34:32 GMT -5
Have you ever seen a Coldwater football roster? I don't know, but would be willing to bet, they have a lot of 'em on the basketball roster as well. see. You said it. What I saw is basketball players not football players. What the hell you guys looking at.they didn't make us look small at all if anything I thought we were taller and more athletic. No one on there team looked like a beefy football player. Marcus Bruns is the only player on Coldwater roster that is not a part of the Football program. Nearly all of their guys that play significant minutes are starting in some capacity on the varsity team. Winning games like these come down to several things, but one that encompasses several aspects is having great focus.. ie rebounding, ball movement/control, defensive fundamentals etc. I did not watch the game, but from the way things have been discussed, there is a reason coldwater was able to win handedly. I interpret some of these responses as williard fans saying "the better team did not win" which i disagree with. This time of year the "better team" only matters on game night... you only have to be better on that night... the rest of the season goes out the window. Congrats to both schools on a great season, and best of luck to coldwater saturday.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Mar 14, 2019 14:47:52 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many t.o. cw had It was in the box score I posted... 13 turnovers for Coldwater.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 14, 2019 15:12:21 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many t.o. cw had It was in the box score I posted... 13 turnovers for Coldwater. thanx.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 14, 2019 15:17:22 GMT -5
It was in the box score I posted... 13 turnovers for Coldwater. thanx. and 24 assists. Dann near that 2 to 1 ratio I was talking about earlier in the year. Some people say it can't be done. I say bs it can.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 14, 2019 16:15:42 GMT -5
see. You said it. What I saw is basketball players not football players. What the hell you guys looking at.they didn't make us look small at all if anything I thought we were taller and more athletic. No one on there team looked like a beefy football player. Marcus Bruns is the only player on Coldwater roster that is not a part of the Football program. Nearly all of their guys that play significant minutes are starting in some capacity on the varsity team. Winning games like these come down to several things, but one that encompasses several aspects is having great focus.. ie rebounding, ball movement/control, defensive fundamentals etc. I did not watch the game, but from the way things have been discussed, there is a reason coldwater was able to win handedly. I interpret some of these responses as williard fans saying "the better team did not win" which i disagree with. This time of year the "better team" only matters on game night... you only have to be better on that night... the rest of the season goes out the window. Congrats to both schools on a great season, and best of luck to coldwater saturday. I don't think there is a single Willard fan that doesn't think the better team won. Not just the better team last night, but better on almost every night.
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