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Post by Admin on Mar 24, 2019 10:38:17 GMT -5
portwalk is correct again, :rolleyes: lo
2008-09 Akron SVSM was the D-2 State Champs Willard only lost 59-50 and it was closer than that. Obviously that 4-17 Willard team stacked up with the best of them. DeSales played that SVSM team in the Final 4 and got bounced 75-61, they didn't stack up with SVSM like the 4-17 Flashes.
It's either ignorance or stupidity to take 1 game and think that's how teams stack up.
Just this year Upper beat Willard by 24 - Willard just doesn't stack up - Oh wait, Willard won the 2nd meeting by 24. Now Upper doesn't stack up?
2004-05 Norwalk beats Bellevue by 56 (90-44) at Bellevue Then Bellevue beats Norwalk by 3 (64-61) at Norwalk That's a 59 pt swing. Then Norwalk won the tournament game by 19 (66-47). ^^^ If Norwalk and Bellevue would have only played once and that game was the one played at Norwalk, should we all just have assumed Bellevue was better than Norwalk?
1985-86 Distirct Final - Willard hands Bellevue a 29 pt beat down (87-58) Welp, I guess Bellevue didn't stack up with Willard Oh wait, on Dec 14 Willard won (70-63) then on Jan. 31 Bellevue won (71-63)
1986 NBA Finals Celtics smash Lakers by 34 pts in game 1 (148-114) - it's over folks, the Lakers just don't stack up Oh wait, the Lakers won 4 of the next 5 vs the Celtics to win the NBA Title
In High School it's one and done, so we have to deal with guys like portwalk.
Congrats to Coldwater making 12 of 21 three's. The fact that they lost 10 times says they didn't do it every game, but the fact that they took out O-G in the District Final the previous game with hot 3 pt shooting says they were a hot or cold team from 3. They were hot vs Willard, congrats.
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Post by Admin on Mar 24, 2019 10:47:21 GMT -5
Monroeville's 1984 State Championship team District Semi - only won by 3 vs St Pete District Final - only won by 1 vs Western Reserve
That Monroeville team almost got bounced at the District level. Let's say WR throws up a half court shot at the buzzer and it goes in. portwalk then would tell us all about how Monroeville just didn't stack up vs Regional level and State level teams.
Was Willard going to win State this year, no. Does Coldwater beat Willard 9 out of 10 times, no. Willard stacked up just fine with a lot of other Regional level teams, Coldwater was hot from three and won that battle 36-9.
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Post by xlegend on Mar 24, 2019 10:48:05 GMT -5
portwalk is correct again, :rolleyes: lo 2008-09 Akron SVSM was the D-2 State Champs Willard only lost 59-50 and it was closer than that. Obviously that 4-17 Willard team stacked up with the best of them. DeSales played that SVSM team in the Final 4 and got bounced 75-61, they didn't stack up with SVSM like the 4-17 Flashes. It's either ignorance or stupidity to take 1 game and think that's how teams stack up. Just this yearUpper beat Willard by 24 - Willard just doesn't stack up - Oh wait, Willard won the 2nd meeting by 24. Now Upper doesn't stack up? 2004-05Norwalk beats Bellevue by 56 (90-44) at Bellevue Then Bellevue beats Norwalk by 3 (64-61) at Norwalk That's a 59 pt swing. Then Norwalk won the tournament game by 19 (66-47). ^^^ If Norwalk and Bellevue would have only played once and that game was the one played at Norwalk, should we all just have assumed Bellevue was better than Norwalk? 1985-86Distirct Final - Willard hands Bellevue a 29 pt beat down (87-58) Welp, I guess Bellevue didn't stack up with Willard Oh wait, on Dec 14 Willard won (70-63) then on Jan. 31 Bellevue won (71-63) 1986 NBA FinalsCeltics smash Lakers by 34 pts in game 1 (148-114) - it's over folks, the Lakers just don't stack up Oh wait, the Lakers won 4 of the next 5 vs the Celtics to win the NBA Title In High School it's one and done, so we have to deal with guys like portwalk. Congrats to Coldwater making 12 of 21 three's. The fact that they lost 10 times says they didn't do it every game, but the fact that they took out O-G in the District Final the previous game with hot 3 pt shooting says they were a hot or cold team from 3. They were hot vs Willard, congrats. as I said a couple of months ago that the only way you beat us is getting hot from 20 feet out.our interior defense was rock solid.I wish we would of picked up full court man to man in second half. Can't wait to see the non league schedule. Hopefully we picked up some quality teams. Sure would help come tourney time.
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Post by Admin on Mar 24, 2019 11:06:37 GMT -5
Last quick point about the 3 pt shot.
HS teams typically shoot about 30% from 3, good 3% shooting teams 33%, maybe 35% (it was much higher 25 years ago when everyone wasn't just chucking them up) Willard shot 30% this year, Willard's opponents 28% Willard's 2006 team 30%
If Coldwater shot at 30% that would have them at 6 of 21 instead of 12 of 21, 18 less points. The emotions, tactics, effort all change if Coldwater shot avg instead of great.
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Post by dude on Mar 24, 2019 12:07:44 GMT -5
Ok, I'm going to exercise my homerism; Gray should have won Division II COY. I make zero apologies for this comment. That was funny
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 12:18:10 GMT -5
I'm wondering why no one has posted yet, how great the attendances were at the championship games. I didn't get a chance to see any of it on TV.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 24, 2019 12:18:41 GMT -5
Vogel good to have you back you went with some real reaches in those posts above. NBA teams??? A regular season win over a bad team, a weak mentally Norwalk team, other regular season matchups of decent teams? None of these really have nothing to do with leading and then barely falling to a State runnerup at regionals.
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Post by dude on Mar 24, 2019 12:33:04 GMT -5
Last quick point about the 3 pt shot. HS teams typically shoot about 30% from 3, good 3% shooting teams 33%, maybe 35% (it was much higher 25 years ago when everyone wasn't just chucking them up) Willard shot 30% this year, Willard's opponents 28% Willard's 2006 team 30% If Coldwater shot at 30% that would have them at 6 of 21 instead of 12 of 21, 18 less points. The emotions, tactics, effort all change if Coldwater shot avg instead of great. We all know that in order to get a team's average they normally shot much higher and much lower on given nights. Coldwater shot the 3 better when they are not guarded. I agree with your statement about teams chucking them up in today's game. But in the game you reference, they had many good looks and some very good looks that we would not consider chucks.
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Post by dude on Mar 24, 2019 12:40:52 GMT -5
Vogel good to have you back you went with some real reaches in those posts above. NBA teams??? A regular season win over a bad team, a weak mentally Norwalk team, other regular season matchups of decent teams? None of these really have nothing to do with leading and then barely falling to a State runnerup at regionals. Interesting choice of word. If they "barely" lost does that also mean that Norwalk "barely" won 10 of their games this season?
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 24, 2019 13:00:20 GMT -5
Crimson5 and Dude, would it be ridiculous and/or funny if I thought Coach Bedingfield should have won Division III COY?
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 24, 2019 13:03:07 GMT -5
Vogel good to have you back you went with some real reaches in those posts above. NBA teams??? A regular season win over a bad team, a weak mentally Norwalk team, other regular season matchups of decent teams? None of these really have nothing to do with leading and then barely falling to a State runnerup at regionals. Interesting choice of word. If they "barely" lost does that also mean that Norwalk "barely" won 10 of their games this season? yes
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Post by dude on Mar 24, 2019 15:59:52 GMT -5
Interesting choice of word. If they "barely" lost does that also mean that Norwalk "barely" won 10 of their games this season? yes So let's not get all crazy about how good a team or a coach is if they are barely winning 10 games.
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Post by dude on Mar 24, 2019 16:00:19 GMT -5
Crimson5 and Dude, would it be ridiculous and/or funny if I thought Coach Bedingfield should have won Division III COY? Yes
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 24, 2019 22:20:36 GMT -5
Crimson5 and Dude, would it be ridiculous and/or funny if I thought Coach Bedingfield should have won Division III COY? Yes Agree, Yes it would be ridiculous.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 24, 2019 23:41:14 GMT -5
Vogel good to have you back you went with some real reaches in those posts above. NBA teams??? A regular season win over a bad team, a weak mentally Norwalk team, other regular season matchups of decent teams? None of these really have nothing to do with leading and then barely falling to a State runnerup at regionals. Embarrassed to be Vogel.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 25, 2019 8:25:32 GMT -5
So let's not get all crazy about how good a team or a coach is if they are barely winning 10 games. A win's a win. So, we started our "survive and advance" mode earlier than the rest.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 25, 2019 8:28:11 GMT -5
Agree, Yes it would be ridiculous. Tough crowd I'm here to tell ya, ha!
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Post by dude on Mar 25, 2019 8:36:11 GMT -5
So let's not get all crazy about how good a team or a coach is if they are barely winning 10 games. A win's a win. So, we started our "survive and advance" mode earlier than the rest. I can agree with that and understand the mentality. Just keeping it in perspective. So many times, fans want to turn a game or season into something great and spectacular when in fact it was simply just a win or a loss. Duke barely won yesterday but does that mean UCF is as good as Duke?
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Post by portwalk on Mar 25, 2019 9:37:36 GMT -5
No not that they (UCF) are as good as Duke, however it does show that they nearly beat Duke and the gap between the two teams is marginal.
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Post by dude on Mar 25, 2019 9:55:57 GMT -5
No not that they (UCF) are as good as Duke, however it does show that they nearly beat Duke and the gap between the two teams is marginal. To me all it shows is that they played a close game. Sometimes two teams play a close game. It doesn't mean those two teams are evenly matched. If they played again this weekend Duke could win by 20. If Duke ends up winning the tournament it would be ridiculous to make the statement that UCF was a bucket away from winning a NCAA Championship.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 25, 2019 9:58:38 GMT -5
I can't believe we poisoned this thread talking about Dook.
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Post by dude on Mar 25, 2019 12:11:13 GMT -5
I can't believe we poisoned this thread talking about Dook. Didn't mean to do that and if ya think that, then maybe you missed my point. Don't use a close game in regional semis to predict how a state final will turn out.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 25, 2019 14:39:00 GMT -5
I can't believe we poisoned this thread talking about Dook. Did mean to do that and if ya think that, then maybe you missed my point. Don't use a close game in regional semis to predict how a state final will turn out. Completely agree and I never tried to do that
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Post by bigboy97 on Mar 25, 2019 16:04:27 GMT -5
Attendance at the state games was awful. Every game seemed as if there were half the people from normal years. Typical the D4 games probably had the most attendance along with the O Liberty game. Public schools bring people. The D3 games might have had 20-40 actual fans for each team....
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