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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 18, 2020 20:55:42 GMT -5
Ashland's modest 3-gane winning streak arrives to a halt, losing at NLL Perrysburg, 75-63. Yellow Jackets are 12-1.
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Post by dude on Jan 19, 2020 9:35:25 GMT -5
Ashland's modest 3-gane winning streak arrives to a halt, losing at NLL Perrysburg, 75-63. Yellow Jackets are 12-1. Perrysburg always does have very good regular season records. |
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 21, 2020 9:38:00 GMT -5
Ashland's modest 3-gane winning streak arrives to a halt, losing at NLL Perrysburg, 75-63. Yellow Jackets are 12-1. Perrysburg always does have very good regular season records. Perrysburg is a sleeping giant. They've shown signs being among state's best, especially Football, but yet have pieced it on a consistent basis. |
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Post by dude on Jan 21, 2020 10:40:34 GMT -5
Perrysburg always does have very good regular season records. Perrysburg is a sleeping giant. They've shown signs being among state's best, especially Football, but yet have pieced it on a consistent basis. They normally do very well in their league and regular season but struggle when they get outside their local area as a large school. Also they have been known to play changing zones including an active 1-3-1 zone which can catch teams off guard at first. |
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 21, 2020 10:44:17 GMT -5
IMHO, it may serve Pburg better going to TRAC, and someone like Clay/Ross replace Jackets in NLL.
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Post by dude on Jan 21, 2020 10:45:34 GMT -5
IMHO, it may serve Pburg better going to TRAC, and someone like Clay/Ross replace Jackets in NLL. That would make sense but if they are like many coaches, they would rather have the high win season totals. |
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Post by unc4life on Jan 21, 2020 21:00:46 GMT -5
It’ hasn’t happened to often that Ashland has beaten Mansfield twice in a season. Last time in 14-15 season and 02-03 season Ashland won the conference both years. Won’t happen this year but sure turns a down season around.
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Post by dude on Jan 21, 2020 21:47:11 GMT -5
It’ hasn’t happened to often that Ashland has beaten Mansfield twice in a season. Last time in 14-15 season and 02-03 season Ashland won the conference both years. Won’t happen this year but sure turns a down season around. Are you saying that at 5-8 Ashland is happy with it's season? |
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Post by unc4life on Jan 22, 2020 9:37:55 GMT -5
It’ hasn’t happened to often that Ashland has beaten Mansfield twice in a season. Last time in 14-15 season and 02-03 season Ashland won the conference both years. Won’t happen this year but sure turns a down season around. Are you saying that at 5-8 Ashland is happy with it's season? I don't think i said they would be happy, if they lose the rest of the game this year it would not be a great year. But with 1 senior on the team and they start they had to the season they could have easily folded. Hopefully they can carry this momentum for the rest of the year. I also need to add 16-17 team also beat Mansfield twice. Finished 2nd in the league to I think Wooster. |
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Post by dude on Jan 22, 2020 10:24:54 GMT -5
Are you saying that at 5-8 Ashland is happy with it's season? I don't think i said they would be happy, if they lose the rest of the game this year it would not be a great year. But with 1 senior on the team and they start they had to the season they could have easily folded. Hopefully they can carry this momentum for the rest of the year. I also need to add 16-17 team also beat Mansfield twice. Finished 2nd in the league to I think Wooster. I understood what you said but it was a question since you put so much value on beating Mansfield this year. As a regular OCC follower I enjoy the dynamic between the D1 and D2 schools but always feel the bigger schools should have an advantage at season's start. Ashland started the season with a strong schedule so that was definitely a factor. Although Mansfield used to be the regular target by which a team was measured, it appears that Wooster has become that for the other OCC teams. We have to wonder what a difference it could have made if the Mansfield football players that decided not to play this season would be with the team. I'm sure Coach Sykes was counting on them. |
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Post by unc4life on Jan 22, 2020 10:38:14 GMT -5
I don't think i said they would be happy, if they lose the rest of the game this year it would not be a great year. But with 1 senior on the team and they start they had to the season they could have easily folded. Hopefully they can carry this momentum for the rest of the year. I also need to add 16-17 team also beat Mansfield twice. Finished 2nd in the league to I think Wooster. I understood what you said but it was a question since you put so much value on beating Mansfield this year. As a regular OCC follower I enjoy the dynamic between the D1 and D2 schools but always feel the bigger schools should have an advantage at season's start. Ashland started the season with a strong schedule so that was definitely a factor. Although Mansfield used to be the regular target by which a team was measured, it appears that Wooster has become that for the other OCC teams. We have to wonder what a difference it could have made if the Mansfield football players that decided not to play this season would be with the team. I'm sure Coach Sykes was counting on them. While Mansfield might not be D1 anymore, I think if you ask the coaches in the OCC beating Mansfield in basketball is still a big deal. The success they have had in the league is hard to ignore. I also agree that this year is different for Mansfield. I remember the year Ashland made it to the final 4 in football, they had some very talented basketball players and it took them till February to get things going on the basketball court. It's very hard to physically and emotionally get over a season like that and switch it to another. It also doesn't help when kids don't play either (totaly understand why they didn't). |
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Post by dude on Jan 22, 2020 11:19:14 GMT -5
I understood what you said but it was a question since you put so much value on beating Mansfield this year. As a regular OCC follower I enjoy the dynamic between the D1 and D2 schools but always feel the bigger schools should have an advantage at season's start. Ashland started the season with a strong schedule so that was definitely a factor. Although Mansfield used to be the regular target by which a team was measured, it appears that Wooster has become that for the other OCC teams. We have to wonder what a difference it could have made if the Mansfield football players that decided not to play this season would be with the team. I'm sure Coach Sykes was counting on them. While Mansfield might not be D1 anymore, I think if you ask the coaches in the OCC beating Mansfield in basketball is still a big deal. The success they have had in the league is hard to ignore. I also agree that this year is different for Mansfield. I remember the year Ashland made it to the final 4 in football, they had some very talented basketball players and it took them till February to get things going on the basketball court. It's very hard to physically and emotionally get over a season like that and switch it to another. It also doesn't help when kids don't play either (totaly understand why they didn't). You may be correct but I would say it is a big deal when Mansfield is good and not when they are 4-7. I'm not saying they are not capable of winning a bunch of games still, but it's obvious that most of the teams they have played have beaten them so far. Their HISTORY of success is well known, but this season's team is different. The only impact the football season had on this basketball team is that some kids from football are not playing. Most of this varsity roster was in the gym while football was being played so the playoff run did not hold up practices. I cannot be sure but I think it was one or two players only. |
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Post by malabar10 on Jan 23, 2020 9:00:04 GMT -5
Mansfield is headed for their 3rd losing season in 40 years. That's a pretty high standard for the OCC, and the OHC before it. Senior is the 5th largest school in the conference and is still shrinking. The early enrollment footballers would have helped depth wise but this team would still be around the 500 mark.
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 23, 2020 9:11:52 GMT -5
Mansfield is headed for their 3rd losing season in 40 years. Leaving the Buckeye, in part, helped TYger money sports. |
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Post by dude on Jan 23, 2020 9:19:11 GMT -5
Mansfield is headed for their 3rd losing season in 40 years. That's a pretty high standard for the OCC, and the OHC before it. Senior is the 5th largest school in the conference and is still shrinking. The early enrollment footballers would have helped depth wise but this team would still be around the 500 mark. By size with boys OHSAA enrollment (Comp. Bal. not included) D1 Mt Vernon 475 Wooster 399 Ashland 363 Madison 352 D2 Mansfield 312 Lexington 290 West Holmes 281 |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 23, 2020 14:52:24 GMT -5
Last year was the first year in history that Mansfield was not in OHSAA's highest division. Not that long ago Mansfield had more students than the 4 currently in DI.
Latest population figures: Mansfield 46,160, Wooster 26.618, Ashland 20,455, Mt. Vernon 16.659, Madison Township not in Mansfield 14,680, Lexington 4683.
Explain that!
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 23, 2020 15:01:25 GMT -5
Malabar10 spends time in the kitchen because he's cooking the books. J/K  But, given the numbers, it does strike me as odd, and have thought that for a bit. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 23, 2020 15:59:50 GMT -5
More than "odd", inexplicable, other than what some do not want to hear.
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 23, 2020 16:18:24 GMT -5
So, the only conclusion I arrive to is they are dropping out/getting expelled at an alarming rate?
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 23, 2020 21:41:38 GMT -5
A few years ago when the district was in academic emergency and had many other problems. The state gave school choice vouchers and kids fled anywhere they could. This was especially true in the lower grades.
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Post by dude on Jan 23, 2020 22:27:34 GMT -5
Malabar10 spends time in the kitchen because he's cooking the books. J/K But, given the numbers, it does strike me as odd, and have thought that for a bit. In the last 30 years the Mansfield population has declined by almost 10%. In because of the loss of industry and jobs. This is a direct reflection as parents have taken their families to other places for work. Mix in the open enrollment number of kids changing to Madison, Ontario, Clear Fork and maybe others, and it doesn't take long for a class of 250 to drop to 200. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 23, 2020 23:26:20 GMT -5
A few years ago when the district was in academic emergency and had many other problems. The state gave school choice vouchers and kids fled anywhere they could. This was especially true in the lower grades. The State hands out school vouchers, just as freely now as then. AND it could get MUCH MUCH worse. Depending on what the State legislature does in the next couple of weeks. One proposal is that students at a school that has a "B" grade that doesn't show progress moving to an "A" grade, can quality for a voucher to get out of that "under performing" District. That District would have to refund the State for up to $6000 per student. Secondly it is proposed that the family income limit to quality for vouchers be raised to $100,000/year! The most absurd proposal is that any student at a private school that has never attended a public school could apply for and receive a voucher from the State AND the public school district that student lives in would have to pay for that voucher even though that student never spent a day in that school district AND the District had an "A" rating. These would make it TEN TIMES easier for Private Schools to "recruit". BTW, there are currently 12 schools in Richland Country these proposals would negatively affect. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 23, 2020 23:32:57 GMT -5
Malabar10 spends time in the kitchen because he's cooking the books. J/K But, given the numbers, it does strike me as odd, and have thought that for a bit. In the last 30 years the Mansfield population has declined by almost 10%. In because of the loss of industry and jobs. This is a direct reflection as parents have taken their families to other places for work. Mix in the open enrollment number of kids changing to Madison, Ontario, Clear Fork and maybe others, and it doesn't take long for a class of 250 to drop to 200. While the population of Mansfield has "declined by almost 10% in the past 30 years", the number of students in the Mansfield School District has declined by 50%. AND those that leave for better academics, Dude calls them "runners". |
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Post by dude on Jan 24, 2020 12:44:59 GMT -5
A few years ago when the district was in academic emergency and had many other problems. The state gave school choice vouchers and kids fled anywhere they could. This was especially true in the lower grades. Mansfield Christian saw their enrollment increase immediately in all levels but since then they have reduced back to a more normal level. There is not doubt that the city schools enrolment has reduced over the years. The transfer of students from Mansfield to Madison has always been in play. Ontario became a new player in the transfer option a few years back and it has been reported in local media that it has negatively affect the city schools by millions of dollars. |
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 24, 2020 14:12:17 GMT -5
A few years ago when the district was in academic emergency and had many other problems. The state gave school choice vouchers and kids fled anywhere they could. This was especially true in the lower grades. Mansfield Christian saw their enrollment increase immediately in all levels but since then they have reduced back to a more normal level. There is not doubt that the city schools enrolment has reduced over the years. The transfer of students from Mansfield to Madison has always been in play. Ontario became a new player in the transfer option a few years back and it has been reported in local media that it has negatively affect the city schools by millions of dollars. All the area privates saw an immediate increase. But expectations at those schools are sometimes a little higher. The vouchers put them into the game, where they could only open enroll to a neighboring school before. Ontario had open enrollment at the time,but they have a cap on the number they can accept. |
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Post by dude on Jan 24, 2020 14:50:48 GMT -5
Mansfield Christian saw their enrollment increase immediately in all levels but since then they have reduced back to a more normal level. There is not doubt that the city schools enrolment has reduced over the years. The transfer of students from Mansfield to Madison has always been in play. Ontario became a new player in the transfer option a few years back and it has been reported in local media that it has negatively affect the city schools by millions of dollars. All the area privates saw an immediate increase. But expectations at those schools are sometimes a little higher. The vouchers put them into the game, where they could only open enroll to a neighboring school before. Ontario had open enrollment at the time,but they have a cap on the number they can accept. The cap increased incredibly once your super got a taste of the money coming in. And it’s increase has been an affect in the city school enrollment. |
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 24, 2020 15:58:08 GMT -5
All the area privates saw an immediate increase. But expectations at those schools are sometimes a little higher. The vouchers put them into the game, where they could only open enroll to a neighboring school before. Ontario had open enrollment at the time,but they have a cap on the number they can accept. The cap increased incredibly once your super got a taste of the money coming in. And it’s increase has been an affect in the city school enrollment. This super fully embraced the money from the start. The prior super only did it as a last resort. Ontario's student population was falling like all other area schools. That has allowed them to increase the caps. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 24, 2020 18:51:52 GMT -5
The Superintendent did not "embrace the money". There was no other option but to start using Open Enrollment to increase funding. The voters had spoken, no more money was coming from them, they voted down 3 consecutive levies. All possible cuts were made, there was no other option than to use Open Enrollment to increase funding.
No District can use Open Enrollment just because a Superintendent "embraces" it. A School District can only participate in the State's Open Enrollment Policy after their BOE approves. Ontario's BOE did not approve using Open Enrollment until after the current Superintendent came on the scene.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 24, 2020 19:03:26 GMT -5
All the area privates saw an immediate increase. But expectations at those schools are sometimes a little higher. The vouchers put them into the game, where they could only open enroll to a neighboring school before. Ontario had open enrollment at the time,but they have a cap on the number they can accept. The cap increased incredibly once your super got a taste of the money coming in. And it’s increase has been an affect in the city school enrollment. There was NO cap before this super. Because there was NO Open Enrollment before this super. This super got a "taste" LONG before she came to Ontario. Before coming to Ontario she was Superintendent at Massilon schools. She used Open Enrollment there to solve their sever financial problems. Ontario is just one of the 85% of the public school Districts in Ohio that has Open Enrollment. |
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 24, 2020 19:41:20 GMT -5
The cap increased incredibly once your super got a taste of the money coming in. And it’s increase has been an affect in the city school enrollment. There was NO cap before this super. Because there was NO Open Enrollment before this super. This super got a "taste" LONG before she came to Ontario. Before coming to Ontario she was Superintendent at Massilon schools. She used Open Enrollment there to solve their sever financial problems. Ontario is just one of the 85% of the public school Districts in Ohio that has Open Enrollment. The levy failed before she got here and pay to play and open enrollment was put into action. That was when the economy got real bad and no one was passing any new money. Since then even the city schools have passed new money levies. The super did not come for new money until this last go around out of fear of losing. The prior defeats were with the old super. We worked on those campaigns. The caps were indeed set in place to pass a renewal they wanted early on. |
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