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Post by ohioraised on May 2, 2019 22:24:25 GMT -5
Schwemley didn't coach at Shelby for 30+ years. Schwemley would NEVER coach at Shelby for 30+ years. When Ontario was invited to join the NCC, Hall of Fame coach Rob Sheldon was winning everything. After Balogh arrived he only won 4 NCC Titles. Which led to his retirement. Before the NCC, during the NCC and after the NCC Balogh has won 21 League Titles in total. Balogh is 29-17 against Shelby and 13-5 against Schwemley Very few coach 30 years at one place. |
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Post by whipp53 on May 3, 2019 7:07:45 GMT -5
If you don’t think coaches will apply to coach Pugh and a couple others surrounding him your full of it. Pugh is being looked at by D1 colleges , coming from a very reliable source . I think your under estimating the talent , remember he’s only a sophomore . He’s got pieces to go around him as well , I believe there missing piece will be post play.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on May 3, 2019 7:57:33 GMT -5
If you don’t think coaches will apply to coach Pugh and a couple others surrounding him your full of it. Pugh is being looked at by D1 colleges , coming from a very reliable source . I think your under estimating the talent , remember he’s only a sophomore . He’s got pieces to go around him as well , I believe there missing piece will be post play. I accept that he is a D1 caliber player. I accept that Shelby has some assets. Here is my rationale for why it won't be as high of a net positive in terms of the coaching search as we hope. I'm defining a net positive as a coach who can guide Shelby to 15+ win seasons and District appearances in the years following Pugh's graduation. This would be a coach that stays at Shelby for more than 5 years, if I'm being hopeful. I think that is a fair expectation from a good coach in Shelby. 1) If a coach is willing to pack and up and move because they get two years of a good player, they could conversely leave at another equally opportune moment. That invites instability. 2) A coach who is talented, who has been getting 15+ win seasons and District appearances with some regularity, is more likely than not going to come to Shelby unless he is coming from a D4 or D3 school. Big sharks with grander resumes aren't looking at Shelby. Why not look for a job in OG or Lex or other towns? The schools have more support and the average wealth of those towns is higher. A much better place to move you or your family to. Big sharks have the clout to get a job in those nicer towns, so I imagine they will wait.
3) If you start coaching at Shelby now, you get a 2-year deal with Pugh. At least Erik Will had four years of Brennan Armstrong and could justify that he saw Armstong's development for four years. A coach that hops into Shelby today will have much less of a claim in that. If a coach is using Shelby as a stepping stone, it reduces his leverage in future job searches. If a coach isn't using Shelby as a stepping stone, and know they can be successful wherever they go, they see my second point. |
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Post by dude on May 3, 2019 8:43:25 GMT -5
Let us be honest in knowing that thousands of kids in Ohio get looked at by D1 colleges every year but yet a very small percentage actually get offers. Despite this kid being a good player, he is not the kind of player that traditionally would bring in a big hire with a coaching vacancy. Shelby may not be the ideal coaching place but they do have some players coming back that could be successful.
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Post by dude on May 3, 2019 9:11:34 GMT -5
Schwemley didn't coach at Shelby for 30+ years. Schwemley would NEVER coach at Shelby for 30+ years. When Ontario was invited to join the NCC, Hall of Fame coach Rob Sheldon was winning everything. After Balogh arrived he only won 4 NCC Titles. Which led to his retirement. Before the NCC, during the NCC and after the NCC Balogh has won 21 League Titles in total. Balogh is 29-17 against Shelby and 13-5 against Schwemley Very few coach 30 years at one place. Sheldon retired after only 24 years with 401 wins. He won more NCC league titles after Ontario joined than he did before. The NCC had been relatively balanced before the Ontario addition. From Sheldon's hiring until the collapse of the NCC there were only 7 teams to go undefeated in league games. 5 of them happened after Ontario joined and all 5 were Ontario. That single school success ultimately led to the collapse of the NCC. Others may twist it to benefit them. |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on May 3, 2019 9:13:39 GMT -5
I agree 100%. I think Shelby has the ability to recruit some decent coaching quality (be it so that they were to NOT hire from within). Shelby has shown pretty capable talent in a wide array of sports over the years, and that stands for something. I would not get overly picky about the coaching search though. Shelby will have names come in that are good. Coach K won't be walking through that door, but someone with a respect for how to run a program ought to be.
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Post by maplecityjake on May 3, 2019 10:03:59 GMT -5
Schwemley didn't coach at Shelby for 30+ years. Schwemley would NEVER coach at Shelby for 30+ years. When Ontario was invited to join the NCC, Hall of Fame coach Rob Sheldon was winning everything. After Balogh arrived he only won 4 NCC Titles. Which led to his retirement. Before the NCC, during the NCC and after the NCC Balogh has won 21 League Titles in total. Balogh is 29-17 against Shelby and 13-5 against Schwemley Very few coach 30 years at one place. The one that comes to mind besides Balogh is Coach Heintscel(sp?) at Toledo St John's Jesuit. Been their Head Coach since 1980. |
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Post by dude on May 3, 2019 10:16:51 GMT -5
Very few coach 30 years at one place. The one that comes to mind besides Balogh is Coach Heintscel(sp?) at Toledo St John's Jesuit. Been their Head Coach since 1980. 40 years and over 700 wins. |
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Post by purefan on May 3, 2019 15:25:43 GMT -5
If you don’t think coaches will apply to coach Pugh and a couple others surrounding him your full of it. Pugh is being looked at by D1 colleges , coming from a very reliable source . I think your under estimating the talent , remember he’s only a sophomore . He’s got pieces to go around him as well , I believe there missing piece will be post play. Lets’s be honest, if the step dad is either not hired as the coach or in the very least given the oppurtunity to sit on the bench in some capacity the kid will be elsewhere next year as has been the case in years past. Don’t forget this is the kids 3rd school already. As for the kid he is a good high school player in this area but is not the 2nd coming of any top end d1 recruit. If he was he wouldn’t currently be at shelby. Just my 2 cents. Let the barking begin.. |
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Post by whipp53 on May 3, 2019 17:11:49 GMT -5
First off I find it really funny when most don’t know how the recruiting process even works if it s D1-D3 but still comment.If you know how recruiting works you would not say Pugh would not go to Shelby , some of the top Ohio players come from all different divisions. Also 95% of recruiting is done through AAU coaches not high school . This isn’t 20 yrs ago ,and by they way Pugh’s step dad was the ast coach at Seneca East. You shouldn’t hate on them moving when there trying to do what’s best for there kids, this is Pugh’s second Hs not 3rd
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Post by dude on May 3, 2019 17:58:35 GMT -5
Maybe the top 10% of elite athletes are 95% recruited thru their AAU coaches but the other 90% of the kids still do it the old way. Most AAU coaches cannot get transcripts. They cannot get a GPA or see attendance records. All of which play a part in recruiting of the majority of high school athletes.
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Post by purefan on May 3, 2019 18:14:33 GMT -5
First off I find it really funny when most don’t know how the recruiting process even works if it s D1-D3 but still comment.If you know how recruiting works you would not say Pugh would not go to Shelby , some of the top Ohio players come from all different divisions. Also 95% of recruiting is done through AAU coaches not high school . This isn’t 20 yrs ago ,and by they way Pugh’s step dad was the ast coach at Seneca East. You shouldn’t hate on them moving when there trying to do what’s best for there kids, this is Pugh’s second Hs not 3rd I’m fully aware of how recruiting process works and also fully aware he was ast. coach at S.E. I am also not hating. Never said 3 high schools, that would be hard to do being a soph. It is however as i stated 3rd school he has attended. Don’t be naive, the facts show 2 years of high school ball and 2 coaches replaced. Step dad hasn’t been given what he wants and maybe he will this time, a chance to be the head coach of his stepson. And most parents try and do what is best for there kids and some may feel they are doing that when in reality they end up doing what’s best for themselves. |
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Post by whipp53 on May 3, 2019 18:18:51 GMT -5
Yes they can’t get transcripts , but colleges already have there transcripts , it’s called BBCS , players can put that info out themselves. How many high school games do u go to and see college coaches ? Not very many , go to a big aau tournament you will see hundreds , so yes 95% of recruiting is through AAU . Once again people should not comment that don’t have a clue!
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Post by beenaroundthegame on May 3, 2019 18:57:25 GMT -5
Been reading all the posts and I have to reply. 1. Schwemley was 7-12 against Joe Balogh. (Still not good but better than 5-13 as was stated before) and 13-15 against Steve Gray. All you have to do is look at www.crawfordcountybasketball.com/ to find his records. So please before you start rattling off incorrect numbers, check your facts! All the kids that Schwemley has coached are Shelby born and raised kids. He didn’t have move ins from Mansfield or wherever to play other than this year with Pugh. So you have to give him some credit for that. 2. I feel for the next coach who is hired for the Shelby job as you’ll have to hear from all the parents who know it all but don’t know better than talk negatively about the coaches around town. 3. I thought and I may be wrong but didn’t Pugh go to Jr High at Buckeye Central? So that’s probably where it’s stated that he went to 3 schools. 4. Whipp53 mentions about Pugh’s step-dad wanting to coach. Pugh has a younger brother. Is step-dad a 2 years and done or is he gonna continue coaching the younger Pugh? I highly doubt it. Since step-dad was telling everyone during the Ontario game that if Schwemley was coaching next year they were moving. 5. I laugh at how people think that college coaches just go to AAU games to watch so and so. I’ve seen plenty of college coaches at High School games, you just don’t see them. Maybe you shouldn’t be so wrapped up in your little bubble. 6. I’m willing to bet some cold pops that if Pugh’s step-dad doesn’t get the head job or is part of the coaching staff, they’ll move again. But I’d also like to see him get the job just to see if he’s really all he thinks he is. |
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Post by dude on May 3, 2019 19:23:14 GMT -5
Yes they can’t get transcripts , but colleges already have there transcripts , it’s called BBCS , players can put that info out themselves. How many high school games do u go to and see college coaches ? Not very many , go to a big aau tournament you will see hundreds , so yes 95% of recruiting is through AAU . Once again people should not comment that don’t have a clue! As a college coach, watching a high school kid play on is high school team can be a schedule nightmare. Seeing a kid play in an AAU tournament while in your off season can be easier, but that does not mean recruiting goes thru the AAU coach. Contact is limited during the off season. This kid in question is not a national recruit. He is not even a statewide recruit. Don't make his process comparable to Zion's. |
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Post by dude on May 3, 2019 19:26:54 GMT -5
4. Whipp53 mentions about Pugh’s step-dad wanting to coach. Pugh has a younger brother. Is step-dad a 2 years and done or is he gonna continue coaching the younger Pugh? I highly doubt it. Since step-dad was telling everyone during the Ontario game that if Schwemley was coaching next year they were moving. If he really said that, why did they move there? |
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Post by purefan on May 3, 2019 20:08:23 GMT -5
4. Whipp53 mentions about Pugh’s step-dad wanting to coach. Pugh has a younger brother. Is step-dad a 2 years and done or is he gonna continue coaching the younger Pugh? I highly doubt it. Since step-dad was telling everyone during the Ontario game that if Schwemley was coaching next year they were moving. If he really said that, why did they move there? It’s not too hard to figure out. Started at Buckeye, wanted a coaching position and it didn’t happen. Goes to s.e. where a spot was granted as varsity ast. As season goes along doesn’t like how current coach is using his step son and makes feelings known. Head coach has enough and leaves. Step dad doesn’t get head coach position and picks shelby as next possible place for that to happen as shelby people not happy with scwemley anyways. Schwemly has enough of the heat and moves on. Stepdad applies and awaits the decision. Don’t know exactly how much of this is true but i think i’m close and if nothing else makes a good story. 😉 |
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Post by dude on May 3, 2019 20:19:17 GMT -5
If he really said that, why did they move there? It’s not too hard to figure out. Started at Buckeye, wanted a coaching position and it didn’t happen. Goes to s.e. where a spot was granted as varsity ast. As season goes along doesn’t like how current coach is using his step son and makes feelings known. Head coach has enough and leaves. Step dad doesn’t get head coach position and picks shelby as next possible place for that to happen as shelby people not happy with scwemley anyways. Schwemly has enough of the heat and moves on. Stepdad applies and awaits the decision. Don’t know exactly how much of this is true but i think i’m close and if nothing else makes a good story. 😉 Not so fast. Schwemley was not leaving and was not being fired when they made their move. The vacancy was created because of an in season issue that can up. So my question is still the same. Why chose a school where you do not like the coach or do not want him coaching your son? |
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Post by purefan on May 3, 2019 20:29:57 GMT -5
It’s not too hard to figure out. Started at Buckeye, wanted a coaching position and it didn’t happen. Goes to s.e. where a spot was granted as varsity ast. As season goes along doesn’t like how current coach is using his step son and makes feelings known. Head coach has enough and leaves. Step dad doesn’t get head coach position and picks shelby as next possible place for that to happen as shelby people not happy with scwemley anyways. Schwemly has enough of the heat and moves on. Stepdad applies and awaits the decision. Don’t know exactly how much of this is true but i think i’m close and if nothing else makes a good story. 😉 Not so fast. Schwemley was not leaving and was not being fired when they made their move. The vacancy was created because of an in season issue that can up. So my question is still the same. Why chose a school where you do not like the coach or do not want him coaching your son? I think you answered your own question with your last sentence. Who is no longer coaching at shelby?? Who now wants the job??? Did this same senario just happen at s.e.  ? |
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Post by dude on May 3, 2019 20:32:21 GMT -5
Not so fast. Schwemley was not leaving and was not being fired when they made their move. The vacancy was created because of an in season issue that can up. So my question is still the same. Why chose a school where you do not like the coach or do not want him coaching your son? I think you answered your own question with your last sentence. Who is no longer coaching at shelby?? Who now wants the job??? Did this same senario just happen at s.e. ? No. the Shelby vacancy has nothing to do with SE. |
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Post by purefan on May 3, 2019 20:45:06 GMT -5
I think you answered your own question with your last sentence. Who is no longer coaching at shelby?? Who now wants the job??? Did this same senario just happen at s.e. ? No. the Shelby vacancy has nothing to do with SE. We will see how it plays out. I will stand by my theory. I would bet he ends up elsewhere unless step dad on staff at the very least. |
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Post by dude on May 3, 2019 20:55:09 GMT -5
No. the Shelby vacancy has nothing to do with SE. We will see how it plays out. I will stand by my theory. I would bet he ends up elsewhere unless step dad on staff at the very least. I'm not challenging your theory. I'm asking why move to a school where you don't like the coach and you have no reason to think he will be leaving. That's all. |
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Post by whipp53 on May 3, 2019 21:22:43 GMT -5
Se head coach left bc he knew Pugh was leaving, plus other parent drama. Also was starting a family. Most of post on hear are people who start assuming things , called drama. Pugh will stay at Shelby unless his dad takes coaching job somewhere else. Pugh came to Shelby to play against bigger and better schools to help him get better , against better competition . Pugh can’t help it his coach had other things going on in his life and quit coaching 1/4 way through the year. I Guarantee Pugh goes D1 , and your saying he’s not top recruit in the state? He’s actually ranked as a top 10 kid in 2021 class. Hs stats avg 17 a game and 8.5 rebounds. I believe his dad said in aau against (better competition ) he’s avg over 20 pts and over 10 rebounds . Most of you just sit around and try to rain on student athletes parades, instead of being supportive of kids working hard for there dreams . Some on here actually think about what they say and have legit facts before spouting off. #Knowyourfacts#
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Post by swooshball112 on May 3, 2019 21:36:10 GMT -5
Se head coach left bc he knew Pugh was leaving, plus other parent drama. Also was starting a family. Most of post on hear are people who start assuming things , called drama. Pugh will stay at Shelby unless his dad takes coaching job somewhere else. Pugh came to Shelby to play against bigger and better schools to help him get better , against better competition . Pugh can’t help it his coach had other things going on in his life and quit coaching 1/4 way through the year. I Guarantee Pugh goes D1 , and your saying he’s not top recruit in the state? He’s actually ranked as a top 10 kid in 2021 class. Hs stats avg 17 a game and 8.5 rebounds. I believe his dad said in aau against (better competition ) he’s avg over 20 pts and over 10 rebounds . Most of you just sit around and try to rain on student athletes parades, instead of being supportive of kids working hard for there dreams . Some on here actually think about what they say and have legit facts before spouting off. #Knowyourfacts# Seems like whoever Whipp53 is, has a source extremely close to the Pugh kid. Seems kinda fishy right? Wondering if I’m the only person that thinks this.... |
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Post by whipp53 on May 3, 2019 21:51:56 GMT -5
Swooshball your right I’m close enough that I know the facts, and I just don’t throw off info that ain’t true
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Post by beenaroundthegame on May 3, 2019 22:30:06 GMT -5
Se head coach left bc he knew Pugh was leaving, plus other parent drama. Also was starting a family. Most of post on hear are people who start assuming things , called drama. Pugh will stay at Shelby unless his dad takes coaching job somewhere else. Pugh came to Shelby to play against bigger and better schools to help him get better , against better competition . Pugh can’t help it his coach had other things going on in his life and quit coaching 1/4 way through the year. I Guarantee Pugh goes D1 , and your saying he’s not top recruit in the state? He’s actually ranked as a top 10 kid in 2021 class. Hs stats avg 17 a game and 8.5 rebounds. I believe his dad said in aau against (better competition ) he’s avg over 20 pts and over 10 rebounds . Most of you just sit around and try to rain on student athletes parades, instead of being supportive of kids working hard for there dreams . Some on here actually think about what they say and have legit facts before spouting off. #Knowyourfacts# When did coach quit 1/4 way through the year? I remember seeing him out on the court coaching every night! It was a tough year, kid gets hurt, parents consistently complaining and you could have been one of those parents, ball doesn’t fall through the hoop every time. If I remember correctly, they lost a couple close games. So don’t blame it all on Schwemley. |
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Post by beenaroundthegame on May 3, 2019 22:39:51 GMT -5
4. Whipp53 mentions about Pugh’s step-dad wanting to coach. Pugh has a younger brother. Is step-dad a 2 years and done or is he gonna continue coaching the younger Pugh? I highly doubt it. Since step-dad was telling everyone during the Ontario game that if Schwemley was coaching next year they were moving. If he really said that, why did they move there? Step-Dad made the comment during the Shelby/Ontario game because he didn’t like how Schwemley was using his kid during the game. |
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Post by dude on May 4, 2019 21:36:45 GMT -5
Se head coach left bc he knew Pugh was leaving, plus other parent drama. Also was starting a family. Most of post on hear are people who start assuming things , called drama. Pugh will stay at Shelby unless his dad takes coaching job somewhere else. Pugh came to Shelby to play against bigger and better schools to help him get better , against better competition . Pugh can’t help it his coach had other things going on in his life and quit coaching 1/4 way through the year. I Guarantee Pugh goes D1 , and your saying he’s not top recruit in the state? He’s actually ranked as a top 10 kid in 2021 class. Hs stats avg 17 a game and 8.5 rebounds. I believe his dad said in aau against (better competition ) he’s avg over 20 pts and over 10 rebounds . Most of you just sit around and try to rain on student athletes parades, instead of being supportive of kids working hard for there dreams . Some on here actually think about what they say and have legit facts before spouting off. #Knowyourfacts# Whose ranking? |
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Post by dude on May 4, 2019 21:49:44 GMT -5
Most Ohio players who are ranked as the top 10 in the state by their sophomore year have D1 offers already or multiple high level D2 offers. What offers does this kid have?
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Post by fanofthegame on May 4, 2019 22:20:56 GMT -5
So many things to comment on.
Balogh got a lot of wins in an league with inferior competition. Nobody can deny that, but everyone on here would happy if he was named the head coach at their school. He develops kids from the lower grades and uses the older kids to do it teaching them leadership.
Schwemley was a B- coach at best IMO. I’ve already detailed my opinion on that. Shelby could do better, but statistically they can do a lot worse. I believe he underachieved this last year given the talent for whatever reason.
Rice has some strengths. He’s smart. He knows the game. I think he’d give every kid the benefit of the doubt because I don’t believe he was given a fair look when he played. I watched him and played pick up with him. He was good enough to contribute and was never given the opportunity. He’s probably not experienced enough yet, but if given a few years to grow he’d get there.
Anyone who thinks letting a player’s step dad coach is a good idea needs their head examined. There is nothing but trouble there. If you argue that point we have no common ground. We’ll likely never agree.
I’ve watched a lot of high school basketball. I’ve watched in the area (mostly Shelby) for the last 20 years. I’ve seen two D1 players. One played for US then OSU and one for Norwalk then Georgia State. Two in 20 years. If I took the bet that Pugh wasn’t a D1 prospect statistically it would be a good bet. He’s a good player, but the two I mentioned clearly stood out among the others on the floor. I can’t say Pugh does. I’m not down on the kid. I just don’t think he’s Diebler or Thomas. I think Shelby has had a least one kid better who didn’t get a D1 offer (Conner Nelson). Bigger, stronger, better ball handler, better outside shot, better basketball IQ.
Shelby isn’t a highly desirable position. The city has changed over 20 years. How? The economy, the housing bubble, and the town’s generosity caused this. The bubble caused a bunch of cheap houses to become available. Guys bought houses appraised for $70-90,000 for $40,000. They financed the full amount, put $10,000 in renovations, and are renting them out. The education is good. The rent is reasonable. If you can’t afford it Help Line will give your kid school clothes and a backpack. This changed the demographics of the town. I’m not passing judgment, I’m just saying it has changed who is walking the halls.
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