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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 8:13:03 GMT -5
Now that the SBC is down to 18 football schools they can break into 2 Divisions. Lake (10 teams) and River (8). The MAC (the best football conference in Ohio) has 10 members and then they go on to win 2 or 3 State Titles every year so any complaints about not getting enough computer points is an invalid complaint. Lake340 D3 Sandusky 337 D3 Tiffin Columbian 320 D3 Norwalk 264 D4 Perkins 257 D4 Clyde 255 D4 Bellevue ----- Bumped up into Lake 242 D4 Port Clinton 211 D4 Edison 210 D4 Huron 204 D5 Oak Harbor Sent down to the River for rehab251 D4 Vermilion 178 D5 Willard If Willard or Vermilion get it turned around the SBC should have in place a mechanism that bumps them up to the Lake and bumps down another weak sister that needs rehab in the River. Willard spent the last 2 years in the River and was just middle of the pack and would be near the end of the pack this year. So it's not like dropping the weak sisters (Willard & Vermilion) down into the River means that the River gets shellacked. I like where you’re going with this, but why not just go 9 and 9? The first 2 weeks are non-conference and then 8 weeks of league play
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Post by kingmartinez on Oct 5, 2019 8:33:28 GMT -5
Vermilion to the 8-team Lorain County League? Unlikely they add a ninth team. Floating bye week...ain't happening, IMO.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 5, 2019 8:33:56 GMT -5
because an odd number in each division would either require unpopular crossovers or long OOC road trips for the teams with the byes
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 10:20:35 GMT -5
because an odd number in each division would either require unpopular crossovers or long OOC road trips for the teams with the byes That makes sense. I guess apply my idea with the division with 10. Have the first 2 weeks as non-conference and then use the MAC model on who doesn’t play each other that year. First doesn’t play last, second doesnt play 9th and so on.
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Post by Green Falcon on Oct 5, 2019 10:47:02 GMT -5
What about extending an invite to Keystone or some other schools?
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 5, 2019 11:36:23 GMT -5
Now that the SBC is down to 18 football schools they can break into 2 Divisions. Lake (10 teams) and River (8). The MAC (the best football conference in Ohio) has 10 members and then they go on to win 2 or 3 State Titles every year so any complaints about not getting enough computer points is an invalid complaint. Lake340 D3 Sandusky 337 D3 Tiffin Columbian 320 D3 Norwalk 264 D4 Perkins 257 D4 Clyde 255 D4 Bellevue ----- Bumped up into Lake 242 D4 Port Clinton 211 D4 Edison 210 D4 Huron 204 D5 Oak Harbor Sent down to the River for rehab251 D4 Vermilion 178 D5 Willard If Willard or Vermilion get it turned around the SBC should have in place a mechanism that bumps them up to the Lake and bumps down another weak sister that needs rehab in the River. Willard spent the last 2 years in the River and was just middle of the pack and would be near the end of the pack this year. So it's not like dropping the weak sisters (Willard & Vermilion) down into the River means that the River gets shellacked. Oak harbor would bolt,, Edison would kick and scream..
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Post by Green Falcon on Oct 5, 2019 11:45:08 GMT -5
How about the SBC disbands and we just create 3 new conferences. All separate from each other. Just let things play out.
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 5, 2019 11:54:24 GMT -5
How about the SBC disbands and we just create 3 new conferences. All separate from each other. Just let things play out. fremont ross wants in... let them..stop crying.. so what if their enrollment is bigger,, they are not that good at football...
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Post by kingmartinez on Oct 5, 2019 12:15:42 GMT -5
How about the SBC disbands and we just create 3 new conferences. All separate from each other. Just let things play out. fremont ross wants in... let them..stop crying.. so what if their enrollment is bigger,, they are not that good at football... Says the Huron guy... Fremont to Clyde, Perkins, Bellevue is about the same as Ashland would be to Huron in enrollment disparity. Would Huron play Ashland? Possibly and could likely beat them occassionally but would Huron want to be married to them in a league, even if it made sense because it looked good on a map (hypothetical)? Hell no they wouldn't.
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 5, 2019 12:22:05 GMT -5
fremont ross wants in... let them..stop crying.. so what if their enrollment is bigger,, they are not that good at football... Says the Huron guy... Fremont to Clyde, Perkins, Bellevue is about the same as Ashland would be to Huron in enrollment disparity. Would Huron play Ashland? Possibly and could likely beat them occassionally but would Huron want to be married to them in a league, even if it made sense because it looked good on a map (hypothetical)? Hell no they wouldn't. You sir, just gave the perfect answer to what I have been talking about.. Huron does not need clyde or bellevue or norwalk or sandusky or tiffin to make the playoffs, however losing to them would cripple any chances we have.. obviously this years schedule for huron flat out stinks.. next years is much better... so yes,, don't want to be married to the LAKE... unless its lake erie,,then we'll say I DO.... we will schedule two lake teams.. thats enough... port clinton is in on this as well.. after that you don't want to play vermilion or willard or do you? oak harbor likely goes back to the pack next year .. sorry can't help you...
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Post by kingmartinez on Oct 5, 2019 12:26:16 GMT -5
The biggest hole in your POV is the fact Huron (and Edison) is in the same division (and region) as Clyde (and Bellevue, Perkins). If Fremont were not two divisions bigger this would be a completely different discussion.
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 5, 2019 12:31:21 GMT -5
The biggest hole in your POV is the fact Huron (and Edison) is in the same division (and region) as Clyde (and Bellevue, Perkins). If Fremont were not two divisions bigger this would be a completely different discussion. Everyone is hung up on Lake/Bay but overlook 3 Lake and 4 Bay being in same Region. It's going to suck seeing an 8-2 Huron squad missing Postseason.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 5, 2019 13:49:56 GMT -5
The SBC powers to be have no BALLS. Accept Fremont, move Vermilion where they belong and you have ZERO scheduling problems for "big schools". ...while creating a whole crap load of scheduling problems for what would then be a 5 team Bay Division (where everyone would get both the weeks 4-5 problem and the random bye in weeks 6-10 problem) and then if/when Vermilion says screw this and finds a new league you end up with both divisions having an odd number of teams. Brilliant. Move teams from the River to Bay. to make 6, then let them whine if the remaining River schools won't schedule them. I was 100% certain the NEW SBC concept would not work with 6 school Divisions. No cross over game required. AND if cross over games were required it would be just as unsettling.
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 5, 2019 14:26:55 GMT -5
...while creating a whole crap load of scheduling problems for what would then be a 5 team Bay Division (where everyone would get both the weeks 4-5 problem and the random bye in weeks 6-10 problem) and then if/when Vermilion says screw this and finds a new league you end up with both divisions having an odd number of teams. Brilliant. Move teams from the River to Bay. to make 6, then let them whine if the remaining River schools won't schedule them. I was 100% certain the NEW SBC concept would not work with 6 school Divisions. No cross over game required. AND if cross over games were required it would be just as unsettling. . They’re begging for more running clock games. They have a hard time figuring that out
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Post by kritz on Oct 5, 2019 14:44:59 GMT -5
Huron plays St Paul next season. Beats East Tech. I see they are sitting 12th in region 14. Going to have to beat OH to get a spot most likely.
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Post by richrod on Oct 5, 2019 17:01:22 GMT -5
Huron plays St Paul next season. Beats East Tech. I see they are sitting 12th in region 14. Going to have to beat OH to get a spot most likely. the best part about this, is some Huron posters are on here blasting the Lake fans about they don't have to play them, and they can go 8-2 and not make the playoffs, not even be close really. Talk about watering down the schedule.
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Post by richrod on Oct 5, 2019 17:02:43 GMT -5
The biggest hole in your POV is the fact Huron (and Edison) is in the same division (and region) as Clyde (and Bellevue, Perkins). If Fremont were not two divisions bigger this would be a completely different discussion. Everyone is hung up on Lake/Bay but overlook 3 Lake and 4 Bay being in same Region. It's going to suck seeing an 8-2 Huron squad missing Postseason. its not going to suck, they picked who they wanted to schedule, their choice its no different than lake teams trying get a few creampuffs in the non league portion because the Lake is a slobberknocker to play in heck I'm sure Clyde would rather play Belmont and the other day school than play a much larger school closer to home. I would say most Lake schools would do that. All these teams want to see 7 winnable games on the schedule.. for the Lake some of those may be Bay teams they had played in the past but won't play them now, so just hope you can catch them in the playoffs and settle it there
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 5, 2019 18:32:13 GMT -5
Huron plays St Paul next season. Beats East Tech. I see they are sitting 12th in region 14. Going to have to beat OH to get a spot most likely. the best part about this, is some Huron posters are on here blasting the Lake fans about they don't have to play them, and they can go 8-2 and not make the playoffs, not even be close really. Talk about watering down the schedule. OK but who does clyde and bellevue beat? they play each other so someone wins someone loses,, then sandusky , norwalk, columbian for clyde...bellevue with sandusky columbian.. so the loser of that clyde bellevue game at the end of the season better hope they have at least one or two wins against these other teams mentioned... to be honest i dont know huron could beat any of those... probably not.. so roll the dice and hope for the best.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 5, 2019 18:47:46 GMT -5
...while creating a whole crap load of scheduling problems for what would then be a 5 team Bay Division (where everyone would get both the weeks 4-5 problem and the random bye in weeks 6-10 problem) and then if/when Vermilion says screw this and finds a new league you end up with both divisions having an odd number of teams. Brilliant. Move teams from the River to Bay. to make 6, then let them whine if the remaining River schools won't schedule them Figured you say that. Just re-read the post of mine quoted above, but change the words "Bay", "Vermilion" and "both divisions" to "River", "Lakota & Vermilion" and "all 3 divisions" (assuming SMCC sticks with 8-man football)
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Post by broccolirob on Oct 7, 2019 9:47:30 GMT -5
As evidenced by this and the 8-man football discussions, there is no easy fix to the football scheduling problem, and it's only going to get more challenging each year. Numbers are going to continue to trend down everywhere--for football participation and for overall enrollment--for almost all schools in this region unless something transformational happens with new businesses in the area to change the trend.
Unfortunately, with CTE and other injury concerns and the liability issues that come with them, high school football as we have known it probably has a shelf life of 8 - 15 years. Beyond that, most schools won't have the numbers to field a team and/or schools won't be able to afford the insurance to keep playing. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see it playing out any other way. Maybe youth football will live on as a club or travel team sport instead.
Bringing it back from the gloom and doom forecast, it seems like the SBC generally works for the schools, kids, and communities for everything EXCEPT football. The same is probably true for most conferences that surround the SBC to the east, west, and south. Wouldn't it make sense to just remove the conference affiliations for football and move to a scheduling model that lines up with division and region? Again, I don't think this challenge is unique to the SBC, so with a little work and coordination I would bet the other area conferences would sign up for something similar. Yes, you lose the conference championship distinction and identity, but how big of a deal is that when everyone is more focused on the playoffs anyway?
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Post by sbc95 on Oct 7, 2019 14:58:41 GMT -5
The Bay teams avoid Clyde like they are Lakewood St Ed or something. But Avoid Fremont and take on St Francis WHY??
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Post by sbc95 on Oct 7, 2019 15:02:30 GMT -5
Now that the SBC is down to 18 football schools they can break into 2 Divisions. Lake (10 teams) and River (8). The MAC (the best football conference in Ohio) has 10 members and then they go on to win 2 or 3 State Titles every year so any complaints about not getting enough computer points is an invalid complaint. Lake340 D3 Sandusky 337 D3 Tiffin Columbian 320 D3 Norwalk 264 D4 Perkins 257 D4 Clyde 255 D4 Bellevue ----- Bumped up into Lake 242 D4 Port Clinton 211 D4 Edison 210 D4 Huron 204 D5 Oak Harbor Sent down to the River for rehab251 D4 Vermilion 178 D5 Willard If Willard or Vermilion get it turned around the SBC should have in place a mechanism that bumps them up to the Lake and bumps down another weak sister that needs rehab in the River. Willard spent the last 2 years in the River and was just middle of the pack and would be near the end of the pack this year. So it's not like dropping the weak sisters (Willard & Vermilion) down into the River means that the River gets shellacked. I like where you’re going with this, but why not just go 9 and 9? The first 2 weeks are non-conference and then 8 weeks of league play
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Post by sbc95 on Oct 7, 2019 15:03:38 GMT -5
Let Clay and Fremont in on the Lake SBC division..
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 7, 2019 15:29:13 GMT -5
Let Clay and Fremont in on the Lake SBC division.. Let Central Catholic and Whitmer into Lake. Both need a change of pace. Cough, cough. While I'm hot, AW, also.
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Post by kritz on Oct 7, 2019 15:36:44 GMT -5
The Bay teams avoid Clyde like they are Lakewood St Ed or something. But Avoid Fremont and take on St Francis WHY?? Because St Francis wins more than 1 game this season 🐴
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 7, 2019 15:38:42 GMT -5
But Avoid Fremont and take on St Francis WHY?? Because St Francis wins more than 1 game this season 🐴 BAM!
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Post by sbc95 on Oct 7, 2019 20:31:34 GMT -5
Because St Francis wins more than 1 game this season 🐴 BAM! That is somewhat true but them Toledo teams they play are not any better ... They would make more money at the door if they would play Fremont BAM 💥 BOOM 💥 HOW BOUT THAT!!! Lol 😂
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Post by kritz on Oct 8, 2019 2:04:14 GMT -5
Can't argue about the gate it would be huge!
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Post by backgammon on Oct 11, 2019 20:15:53 GMT -5
Margaretta still looking for a Week 9 game? Waterford from Athens County is now available.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 6:24:36 GMT -5
Margaretta still looking for a Week 9 game? Waterford from Athens County is now available. That would be good for the kids to get another game, but the game wouldn’t count for playoff points. Any game contracted after Oct 1 is for 0 points
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