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Post by jmorgret07 on Oct 4, 2019 18:06:53 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 4, 2019 20:19:59 GMT -5
What a farce.
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Post by tori2 on Oct 4, 2019 20:23:52 GMT -5
Why is it a farce?
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Post by portwalk on Oct 4, 2019 20:29:09 GMT -5
Was thinking the same thing?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 4, 2019 21:59:31 GMT -5
The Dowling's attorney said he wanted a chance to present his case to a "neutral party". The Ottawa County Common Pleas Court?? ROFL
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Post by crimsonblooded on Oct 5, 2019 1:28:24 GMT -5
Good to see the Dad be able to do what he thinks is best for his kids.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 6:37:47 GMT -5
Why is 2 seniors being able to play in their last season for Oak Harbor such a big deal to you? It literally has nothing to do with you considering you support Ontario.
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Post by tchldad on Oct 5, 2019 9:18:22 GMT -5
This is a ‘farce’ because it now sets a precedent for future transfers. Good luck in the future. Parents will be moving their kids all over the place now. Might as well be the NCAA
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Post by bigox on Oct 5, 2019 11:18:18 GMT -5
The only farce here is the oshaa's continuation of not wanting to fight in court proceedings. And not just for transferring rulings. Any time there is going to be a drawn out case they have typically folded when the oshaa decision is ruled against.
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 5, 2019 11:22:13 GMT -5
The only farce here is the oshaa's continuation of not wanting to fight in court proceedings. And not just for transferring rulings. Any time there is going to be a drawn out case they have typically folded when the oshaa decision is ruled against. Whitmer Panthers, circa 2012 and 2013, is holding for you on Line 2.
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 5, 2019 11:29:58 GMT -5
My problem is no consistency. If your parents have the money and/or are willing to fight it you play. Either we have rules that we follow or we don’t.
If we don’t limit transfers high school sports will decline. Talent will congregate in a handful of schools. If you don’t believe it go to an AAU basketball tournament some weekend. Haves and have nots when it comes to talent. You see a lot of blowouts in pool play and decent games at the end of the tournament play.
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Post by sbc95 on Oct 5, 2019 11:36:46 GMT -5
They is great for them boys especially their senior yr... From my understanding the Clyde coach who was PO for them boys leaving sent a email to the board and really exaggerated more than what happened in a personal marriage problem and what else was going on .. He was making it look like more of a recruiting deal then what it was .. Then this coach harassed these parents on social media and was suspended for two games .. Honestly he should of been fired!! This decision did go the right way !! Oh and by the way the father of these boys lived in Oak Harbor and he was NOT the one getting divorced.. The mother moved out of the Clyde area so the boys chose to go live with their Dad !!
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Post by chs71 on Oct 5, 2019 13:20:16 GMT -5
My problem is no consistency. If your parents have the money and/or are willing to fight it you play. Either we have rules that we follow or we don’t. If we don’t limit transfers high school sports will decline. Talent will congregate in a handful of schools. If you don’t believe it go to an AAU basketball tournament some weekend. Haves and have nots when it comes to talent. You see a lot of blowouts in pool play and decent games at the end of the tournament play. Is AAU basketball a high school sport?
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Post by chs71 on Oct 5, 2019 13:24:25 GMT -5
They is great for them boys especially their senior yr... From my understanding the Clyde coach who was PO for them boys leaving sent a email to the board and really exaggerated more than what happened in a personal marriage problem and what else was going on .. He was making it look like more of a recruiting deal then what it was .. Then this coach harassed these parents on social media and was suspended for two games .. Honestly he should of been fired!! This decision did go the right way !! Oh and by the way the father of these boys lived in Oak Harbor and he was NOT the one getting divorced.. The mother moved out of the Clyde area so the boys chose to go live with their Dad !! I hear all kinds of rumors too, but I only believe what I know. My only opinion is, if a kid can go to school somewhere he should be eligible for all the school's activities.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 5, 2019 13:43:46 GMT -5
Why is 2 seniors being able to play in their last season for Oak Harbor such a big deal to you? It literally has nothing to do with you considering you support Ontario. Don't be ignorant. I could care less who plays for who when. What is important is that we all play by the same rules.
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 5, 2019 13:44:37 GMT -5
My problem is no consistency. If your parents have the money and/or are willing to fight it you play. Either we have rules that we follow or we don’t. If we don’t limit transfers high school sports will decline. Talent will congregate in a handful of schools. If you don’t believe it go to an AAU basketball tournament some weekend. Haves and have nots when it comes to talent. You see a lot of blowouts in pool play and decent games at the end of the tournament play. Is AAU basketball a high school sport? No, but it’s an example of anyone can play for any team without restriction. All the talent ends up on a small number of teams. If the OHSAA doesn’t limit transfers the same thing will happen in high school sports and nobody will want to watch 90% of the games.
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Post by sbc95 on Oct 5, 2019 15:37:32 GMT -5
They is great for them boys especially their senior yr... From my understanding the Clyde coach who was PO for them boys leaving sent a email to the board and really exaggerated more than what happened in a personal marriage problem and what else was going on .. He was making it look like more of a recruiting deal then what it was .. Then this coach harassed these parents on social media and was suspended for two games .. Honestly he should of been fired!! This decision did go the right way !! Oh and by the way the father of these boys lived in Oak Harbor and he was NOT the one getting divorced.. The mother moved out of the Clyde area so the boys chose to go live with their Dad !! I hear all kinds of rumors too, but I only believe what I know. My only opinion is, if a kid can go to school somewhere he should be eligible for all the school's activities. Not a rumor it is the TRUTH!!
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Post by chs71 on Oct 5, 2019 17:14:38 GMT -5
I hear all kinds of rumors too, but I only believe what I know. My only opinion is, if a kid can go to school somewhere he should be eligible for all the school's activities. Not a rumor it is the TRUTH!! Maybe, but I don't know who you are, or what your source is, and your story doesn't match any of the other explanations I've heard from people who also thought they knew the truth. So, just another rumor.
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Post by CEOSouth on Oct 7, 2019 15:51:04 GMT -5
Just reading this. Seems odd.
When did the father move? Does anyone know?
Did the coach at OH have any contact with these kids before the move? If so, that sure sounds like recruiting.
Like someone else said above, if OHSAA ruled twice against them, and they then took it to court to get it ‘overturned’, then what is the point of OHSAA and the rules altogether? This seems to set a bad precedent for the future, but until someone answers the questions above, I can’t really say for sure.
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Post by CEOSouth on Oct 10, 2019 15:21:12 GMT -5
Thanks to those that messaged me in the past few days. To verify some of the various information I have received from multiple people, is anyone willing to answer the following questions on this public forum? (please refrain from using player, coach, admin names)
1. What players(basketball and football) from Oak Harbor also played with these twins on AAU? 2. What is the relationship between said players and coaching staff(football or basketball) at OH? 3. Who were their AAU coaches and what is their relationships to Oak Harbor sports? 4. Who assisted the twins in their legal search and what was that person's relationship to both Oak Harbor and the said players listed in question 1? 5. Did a parent move to OH from Fremont for a job, or did they just 'choose' OH?
This appears to stink far far far worse than it seemed to at face value. I'm surprised this isn't a bigger deal than it seems to be on here, or throughout the region/state.
I'll go back to what I posted earlier: What is the point in having rules altogether? How can OHSAA rule against this twice, yet here we are?
Recruiting season is apparently now open in Ohio. If the information I have heard is true, this should be troubling to anyone who prides themselves on integrity.
Please, please, please, by all means, if some of this information is steering in the wrong direction from the actual truth, please feel free to speak up and correct it.
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 10, 2019 16:02:58 GMT -5
Here is a general statement; if one isn't circumventing, then they aren't trying.
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Post by CEOSouth on Oct 10, 2019 17:06:36 GMT -5
"Still other determining principles came into play with OHSAA decisions in this case. The Affidavit of William Dowling(Defendant OHSAA's Exhibit A-C at page E.5-E.6) at paragraph 28 states "I state that the reason I made the move from my former residence to this current residence is because of: Want best education for my sons..." The April 29,2019 Consent Judgement Entry RE Custody specifically states "Both children desire to complete their senior year of high school at Oak Harbor" . These undisputed facts constitute reliable, probative and substantial facts in support of OHSAA decisions. To the extent Oak Harbor has open enrollment, and to the extent this transfer may have been about education, Plaintiffs could have enrolled at Oak Harbor without any move. But because this case if about athletic eligibility, simply open enrolling into Oak Harbor would not have accomplished Plaintiff's true goal. No this was about a desire to transfer schools, and it was the transfer that cause the move and not a move that caused a transfer"
I'm just going to remind everyone here that you can read all of the public-available court documents including the injunction, the OHSAA and Plaintiff Closing Arguments as well as the complete transcript of the OHSAA appeal at commonpleas.co.ottawa.oh.us/BenchmarkWebProd/Home.aspx/SearchIt seems pretty clear to me that OHSAA did and still does think they were trying to circumvent their bylaws and unfortunately for the Plaintiffs they were able to use the Plaintiff's own inconsistent words against them. Also, unfortunately for the Plaintiff's it appears OHSAA may not even know about all the AAU stuff either.
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Post by dc20 on Oct 10, 2019 23:14:02 GMT -5
Interesting... With knowledgeable information... What happens if eventually ruled not elible.. register stated ohsaa had no idea on any of this
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Post by timriggins on Oct 11, 2019 4:51:00 GMT -5
Isn’t this over with? Or is the OHSAA planning on appealing the court’s decision?
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 11, 2019 8:45:51 GMT -5
Thanks to those that messaged me in the past few days. To verify some of the various information I have received from multiple people, is anyone willing to answer the following questions on this public forum? (please refrain from using player, coach, admin names) 1. What players(basketball and football) from Oak Harbor also played with these twins on AAU? 2. What is the relationship between said players and coaching staff(football or basketball) at OH? 3. Who were their AAU coaches and what is their relationships to Oak Harbor sports? 4. Who assisted the twins in their legal search and what was that person's relationship to both Oak Harbor and the said players listed in question 1? 5. Did a parent move to OH from Fremont for a job, or did they just 'choose' OH?
This appears to stink far far far worse than it seemed to at face value. I'm surprised this isn't a bigger deal than it seems to be on here, or throughout the region/state. I'll go back to what I posted earlier: What is the point in having rules altogether? How can OHSAA rule against this twice, yet here we are? Recruiting season is apparently now open in Ohio. If the information I have heard is true, this should be troubling to anyone who prides themselves on integrity. Please, please, please, by all means, if some of this information is steering in the wrong direction from the actual truth, please feel free to speak up and correct it. 1. Rickey Lafluer and best friends Cory and Trevor to the best of my knowledge. 2. Best described as good natured but serious when need be. 3. Their AAU team is coached by Jim Lahey and his assistant Randy. Jim is the property manager for BCS schools. 4. The first name escapes but the last name is Steinberg. 5. They moved to a housing development called Sunnyvale in district.
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Post by dolittle on Oct 11, 2019 9:21:18 GMT -5
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Post by dude on Oct 11, 2019 10:32:13 GMT -5
Sounds like the kids AND A PARENT with custody physically moved into the OH district. This meets the one or two of the exceptions allowed by OHSAA. Everything else could be opinion. If OHSAA wants to start winning these arguments, eliminate the exceptions.
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Post by CEOSouth on Oct 11, 2019 12:21:06 GMT -5
Sounds like the kids AND A PARENT with custody physically moved into the OH district. This meets the one or two of the exceptions allowed by OHSAA. Everything else could be opinion. If OHSAA wants to start winning these arguments, eliminate the exceptions. I’m away from my computer right now so I can’t verify, But I remember reading that essentially OHSAA believed the father was lying about how much time he spent at his ‘new place’ due to conflicting reports between the father and mother about where the daughter? was living. So, the father did ‘move’ to the OH district, however still spent a majority of his time in Fremont and then lied to try to downplay how much time he actually wasn’t in OH. I’m just going on memory here. I’d recommend reading the OHSAA transcript notes and OHSAA closing remarks. I think when you factor in the timeline of AAU, the setup behind the scenes of that, the timeline of the known court documented dates, and the several contradictory statements given by the plaintiffs, it does not look good for the Plaintiffs or the OH school system.
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Post by edchambers on Oct 11, 2019 12:57:34 GMT -5
The OHSAA hearing transcript is an interesting read and raises a number of red flags. I can understand the initial ruling by the OHSAA and the denial of the appeal.
It will be interesting if and when this goes to court.
Is Judge Barber a visiting judge?
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Post by dolittle on Oct 11, 2019 13:06:53 GMT -5
Is Judge Barber a visiting judge? Ottawa County Judge who resides in oak harbor.
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