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Post by hsfootballnwo on Oct 19, 2019 12:31:12 GMT -5
I was very disappointed by the lack of fan support for Edison at the Oak Harbor game on Friday. And the week before, there weren't many people in the stands supporting Huron or Oak Harbor at that game. Is anyone besides the parents of the players attending the games? Where is the passion for HS football?
I remember in the '90s big games being played before packed houses. You had to get to the game by 7:00 to find a seat (for a 7:30 start). Now, you can get a seat anywhere you want.
What's happened?
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 19, 2019 12:32:18 GMT -5
football is on life support
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Post by kritz on Oct 19, 2019 12:35:45 GMT -5
Great question I've noticed this too over the years. Maybe people are more interested in their electronic toys than going to a game. Disturbing trend for sure.
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Post by ScarletFever on Oct 19, 2019 12:38:28 GMT -5
Not a big desire to sit out in cold weather for this stuff unless you're related to the players anymore. Too many other things to do.
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Post by fliers62 on Oct 19, 2019 12:41:20 GMT -5
The switch to 7PM FROM 7:30PM was when I noticed the first chink in this armor. Cold weather is a factor. A lot of people last night said they would listen on the radio if available to stay home and watch the Buckeyes instead.
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 19, 2019 12:52:54 GMT -5
Crowds shrunk when Drug Mart said Soccer is where it's at.
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 19, 2019 13:01:38 GMT -5
another factor is more radio,, and tv.. and social media updates.. but basically football is losing the battle... less kids interested in playing..results in less people watching.. the mercy rule to where now people play to a point spread vs a clock has changed it alot as well..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 13:11:29 GMT -5
Fewer kids playing football=less family & friends that have interest to go
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Post by Green Falcon on Oct 19, 2019 13:38:15 GMT -5
None of the towns in the area are getting any bigger so the potential fan bases themselves are in limited supply
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 19, 2019 14:00:21 GMT -5
The idea behind switching to a 730 start was a solid one but in practice it’s been an attendance killer imo. If you live in PC and get off work at five you’re going to have a hard time getting to Willard by 7 after you get ready etc etc. I know it’ll make for some longer nights but going back to 7:30 start times would help.
As for numbers this generation values athletics and activities less than previous ones. You can chalk it up to whatever you want but it’s going to be hard for sports and activities going forward.
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Post by tori2 on Oct 19, 2019 14:19:34 GMT -5
How long do you take to get ready? Willard is about a hour away.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 19, 2019 15:56:21 GMT -5
Have to say, as bad as the Pirates have been the last few years, attendance at Perkins games has been pretty good. Huron never did draw many people (not sure why), and everyone else seems to be about the same attendance wise, IMHO anyway. I don't really see a falling off. As for soccer taking away fans......I don't know which is more exciting, going to a soccer game, or watching the neighbor kid mow the grass. I vote for the neighbor kid and the grass. Sorry, but soccer has to be the most BORING spectator sport I've ever seen!
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Post by bigwill on Oct 19, 2019 16:00:05 GMT -5
Athletics is a direct representation of community. A decline in numbers and support are happening for the same reasons that different clubs in the community are experiencing declining numbers. Community is losing its nucleus and sports are taking a hit because of it
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Post by perkinspa on Oct 19, 2019 19:54:24 GMT -5
Have to say, as bad as the Pirates have been the last few years, attendance at Perkins games has been pretty good. Huron never did draw many people (not sure why), and everyone else seems to be about the same attendance wise, IMHO anyway. I don't really see a falling off. As for soccer taking away fans......I don't know which is more exciting, going to a soccer game, or watching the neighbor kid mow the grass. I vote for the neighbor kid and the grass. Sorry, but soccer has to be the most BORING spectator sport I've ever seen! Well, I can attest that both of the Pirate Soccer teams have been pretty exciting over the last couple years. The girls team had a fantastic year this year. I've noticed the soccer crowds growing this year. I know that when I am starting my announcements at FRMC, it certainly doesn't appear that there are too many people in the stands. They have generally filled up by kickoff, but that may have something to do with the 7:00, rather than 7:30 start time. I can't watch soccer on tv, because it just isn't a game that I enjoy watching on television. I do enjoy watching the Pirate teams play, because at one time or another, most of the players are in one of my classes. Now, I don't watch too much football other than the Buckeyes sometimes, the Browns and the Naval Academy play. I've fallen head over heels for the game of Australian Rules Football. I am watching so much more of that any more than I am of any other sport, or quite frankly any other television. In fact, I'm in the process of getting a podcast up and running about the game. [https://twitter.com/yank_on] (It is growing by leaps and bounds here in the states, and the USAFL just had their championships in Florida last weekend, with more than 1000 players participating in the four different divisions. Once next spring rolls around, FS1 (and sometimes FS2) carry a single game each week. I highly recommend checking it out.
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Post by Tcalumni on Oct 19, 2019 21:55:58 GMT -5
If you want to see a big crowd, go to Columbian at Norwalk. Columbian travels well and I'm sure Norwalk will show up.
Was disappointed in this weeks crowd. I thought Tiffin vs Bellevue would be packed, but I guess the buckeyes game made a difference.
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Post by sharonpeters on Oct 20, 2019 3:30:13 GMT -5
Oak harbor fans still travel pretty well. Earlier in the year we attended the game at Woodward. Sketchy area for sure but a good crowd. Winning breeds fan support. Shouldn't matter but it does.
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Post by buckeyekid on Oct 20, 2019 6:32:25 GMT -5
Technology. Some people, myself included are just content to stay home at night and watch something on netflix or hulu or a game on cable. A lot of kids have this whole world of video games that they are into. If you don't have family playing,,there's just many more options than there were 15-20 years ago at night. If you have a winning team,,,at least in Willard,,then all bets are off. Our VB team and GBK and MBK all drew good crowds consistently that I could tell.
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Post by Green Falcon on Oct 20, 2019 8:33:05 GMT -5
The price to attend sporting events has also risen to a point where it is rather unreasonable if you have no connection. The cost of a ticket and then food, it adds for if a young family is attending.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 20, 2019 8:39:09 GMT -5
The price to attend sporting events has also risen to a point where it is rather unreasonable if you have no connection. The cost of a ticket and then food, it adds for if a young family is attending. Especially if you simply want to go out to your car to get a jacket or umbrella, and then they make you pay to get back in!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 10:28:53 GMT -5
^^^ Even if you have your Bob Evans ticket stub, From the 1st time you paid.
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Post by Whittaker on Oct 20, 2019 12:20:59 GMT -5
I ran this thread by OHSAA. Here is their reply.
*Attendance at high school sporting events is a privilege, not a right. If you want to retain eligibility to attend sporting events governed by OHSSA, please abide by these rules. 1) Do not use tobacco anywhere on school property. 2) Do not express, in any way, disagreement with the game officials. 3) Do not complain about having to pay again for re-entry because you forgot your coat, umbrella, insulin or prosthetic limb. 4) Do not gamble, unless it is the OHSAA approved 50/50 in which our designee gets a cut...so its cool.
It has come to our attention that some spectators do not live in the geographical district of either team for that particular contest. We are concerned that fans are being "recruited" to give certain teams a larger than appropriate cheering section, and therefore a competitive advantage. We are studying how to address these fans who are living in the wrong place according to the teams they support.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 20, 2019 12:25:55 GMT -5
I ran this thread by OHSAA. Here is their reply. *Attendance at high school sporting events is a privilege, not a right. If you want to retain eligibility to attend sporting events governed by OHSSA, please abide by these rules. 1) Do not use tobacco anywhere on school property. 2) Do not express, in any way, disagreement with the game officials. 3) Do not complain about having to pay again for re-entry because you forgot your coat, umbrella, insulin or prosthetic limb. 4) Do not gamble, unless it is the OHSAA approved 50/50 in which our designee gets a cut...so its cool. It has come to our attention that some spectators do not live in the geographical district of either team for that particular contest. We are concerned that fans are being "recruited" to give certain teams a larger than appropriate cheering section, and therefore a competitive advantage. We are studying how to address these fans who are living in the wrong place according to the teams they support. Yea, well, OHSAA, that rule #3 SUCKS!
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Post by Green Falcon on Oct 20, 2019 13:06:08 GMT -5
It has come to our attention that some spectators do not live in the geographical district of either team for that particular contest. We are concerned that fans are being "recruited" to give certain teams a larger than appropriate cheering section, and therefore a competitive advantage. We are studying how to address these fans who are living in the wrong place according to the teams they support. As in they were asked to attend by someone they know? Or they're just generally interested in the sport? Doubt they would say this if it was one of their state tournament events where they make a huge amount of money
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Post by kritz on Oct 20, 2019 14:22:17 GMT -5
That is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by Mike Hula on Oct 20, 2019 14:42:12 GMT -5
Oak harbor fans still travel pretty well. Earlier in the year we attended the game at Woodward. Sketchy area for sure but a good crowd. Winning breeds fan support. Shouldn't matter but it does. Not even close. No one around here travels well.
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Post by Whittaker on Oct 20, 2019 16:30:59 GMT -5
It has come to our attention that some spectators do not live in the geographical district of either team for that particular contest. We are concerned that fans are being "recruited" to give certain teams a larger than appropriate cheering section, and therefore a competitive advantage. We are studying how to address these fans who are living in the wrong place according to the teams they support. As in they were asked to attend by someone they know? Or they're just generally interested in the sport? Doubt they would say this if it was one of their state tournament events where they make a huge amount of money All of us will admit that a big, cheering, loud fan base can help a high school football team. It can be a competitive advantage. That is fine if those fans are local. But if those fans are from outside the school district it becomes an unfair competitive advantage just like a player who transfers improperly. OHSAA is committed to making sports fair. The early thinking is that each school would submit a list of a approved addresses. This list should already exist to determine which school each student should attend. On game night ID's could be scanned and unapproved attendees could be denied admission. There would be exceptions of course for school employees, media, etc. Initially this would only be playoff games. Close relatives that happen to live outside the player's district could apply for waivers ahead of time. Presumably they would have to sign an affidavit stating that they are at the game only to cheer on the game-playing relative and would not cheer for the entire team. You make a good point about the ticket money. I suppose if the undocumented spectator was willing to pay a supplemental fee to OHSAA, maybe $20, they could be let in. Maybe an OHSAA official or someone else in the know can comment on this is on tap for the next school year.
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Post by Green Falcon on Oct 20, 2019 17:09:19 GMT -5
I feel like the OHSAA is trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist with this one. Random people aren't showing up in numbers to random HS sporting events. A school should not be put in the position where they have to tell spectators they're not allowed in.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 20, 2019 19:40:27 GMT -5
Well, I LOVE good high school football games, and I go to numerous playoff games of teams I have nothing to do with. Does OHSAA think that when Perkins, Sandusky, Huron, or any other area school HOSTS a playoff game, that the only people attending those games are people from the schools playing? That's ridiculous.
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Post by Whittaker on Oct 21, 2019 5:23:18 GMT -5
"As most football leagues allow a maximum of eleven players per team on the playing field at a time, referring to a team's fans as the 12th man implies that they have a potentially helpful role in the game. Infrequently, the term has referred to individuals having a notable connection to their football team." _______12th man (football) - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_man_(football)Can someone give me a good reason why OHSAA shouldn't be able to control all the fairness factors in a football game, including the geographical residences of the cheering spectators? I'm arguing absurdity here to prove a point. If you give a bureaucracy unchecked power they will use every rationale to expand that power. Would the local school principals okay a proposal to screen fans based on geography? Of course they would! They have already OK'd a policy preventing kids who are legally enrolled in school from playing sports at that school. They have a philosophy that views group rights as more important than individual rights. They would sacrifice the one sports-playing student for the theoretical benefit of all students. If they would sacrifice a student they would certainly sacrifice a fan. They don't understand that when you stand for the rights of one child, you stand for the rights of all. Every child who is legally enrolled in the school should have the same extra-curricular opportunities.
And no, OHSAA is not considering regulating which fans can attend a game. Yet.
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Post by Green Falcon on Oct 21, 2019 6:34:35 GMT -5
There's hardly anyone at events already which is the point of this thread so regulation would be rather pointless
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