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Post by DrTorch on Oct 29, 2019 17:55:14 GMT -5
well the NCAA rolled over pretty quick on likeness and image so much for a court battle
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Post by fbfan on Oct 30, 2019 6:39:04 GMT -5
Yes you were correct. Hard to believe that the NCAA caved so quickly. Guess they figured they were going to still get their $$$ because they will still own the image and likeness of the institution. All of the unintended consequences of this will be significant and not be immediately apparent. One lawmaker has already said that he will introduce a bill to tax as income the value of scholarships given to the players. Pity the poor 3rd string freshman OL with no endorsements, that will have to pay tax on his $30,000 "full ride".
A sad day for amateur athletics indeed.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 30, 2019 7:15:19 GMT -5
well that lawmaker is a reactionary moron and i don't believe him, and there ain't but .0001% of kids in college that will actually make any real money off this
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Post by cbus on Oct 30, 2019 8:53:27 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see the final rules and how they will be enforced. They were clear that payments to play sports are considered illegal and will not be allowed. So, they will try and curtail boosters from paying athletes to come to their school by disguising the payment as for an autograph or a car commercial. Good luck with that. Enforcement of this will be dicey.
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Post by mcm1019 on Oct 30, 2019 9:01:17 GMT -5
I can't wait until the first female basketball or soccer player starts to complain about this, because the star QB is making thousands off his likeness and she's only making $1.25
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 30, 2019 9:21:21 GMT -5
The NCAA has not revealed how they will implement and regulate this new measure. Expect an explosion of problems and violations resulting from this. As I've suggested before, it will be some form of deferred payment, payable when they have left all affiliation with collegiate athletics.
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Post by fbfan on Oct 30, 2019 9:25:42 GMT -5
well that lawmaker is a reactionary moron and i don't believe him, and there ain't but .0001% of kids in college that will actually make any real money off this Speaking of lawmakers and reactionary morons, Elizabeth Warren says that it's a good start, but the players should also be able to join a union and negotiate for compensation.
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Post by Green Falcon on Oct 30, 2019 9:56:04 GMT -5
well that lawmaker is a reactionary moron and i don't believe him, and there ain't but .0001% of kids in college that will actually make any real money off this Speaking of lawmakers and reactionary morons, Elizabeth Warren says that it's a good start, but the players should also be able to join a union and negotiate for compensation. Compensation as in a typical job format is not a part of this. It's just money off of likeness not for hours worked or jobs done. This idea will never happen so I wouldn't put too much stock into it
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Post by fbfan on Oct 30, 2019 12:17:24 GMT -5
Speaking of lawmakers and reactionary morons, Elizabeth Warren says that it's a good start, but the players should also be able to join a union and negotiate for compensation. Compensation as in a typical job format is not a part of this. It's just money off of likeness not for hours worked or jobs done. This idea will never happen so I wouldn't put too much stock into it Not yet, but you have a U.S. Senator talking about taxing scholarships. Another (who is running for president) talking about unionizing players. Paying players is the next logical step. Never say never. Politicians, including the Kalifornia legislature should stay out of amateur athletics.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 30, 2019 16:58:34 GMT -5
it's not an amateur endeavor when you generate billions of dollars in profit
so bullocks to your amateurs, call me when they start coaching for free :+/
no doubt it is going to be a tangled mess but anyone who thought the NCAA was going to fight this was clueless to begin with...the NCAA had a chance to get out ahead of this 20 YEARS AGO and they kept their heads in the sand and cashed checks as fast as they could and now this...they have no one to blame but themselves, proving themselves to be a neutered institution concerned only with making bank...they are not Leaders, they are not Role Models, they are not Father Figures...
...they are rank and file Carnival Barkers on a Nationwide loot crusade, plain and simple...(Jim Delaney did not retire this spring by accident...he was watching the roads and studying the dust, and call him what you will or worse, he is no dummy)
there is only one rule in this physical universe and it applies to everyone and everything:
CHANGE OR DIE
Tradition is the enemy of progress.
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 30, 2019 17:36:46 GMT -5
This is a very perilous and dangerous path. Besides the great chance of corruption, that puts most of the major universities in a hard spot, it will be a point of division in the locker room, from those privileged athletes that drive up in their lavish BMW's & Mercedes from those that must settle for a paid college education & stipends. Let's cut out the spector of Athletes tooling up in new Corvettes, BMW's & Mercedes, by formulating a system of delayed compensation. All college athletes should be treated equally, with the main focus on academics.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 30, 2019 17:39:02 GMT -5
Tate Martell was already driving one of those boss. Maybe he leased it from Nick Saban.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 30, 2019 18:07:15 GMT -5
and this just in...Mitt Romney is a moron:
why? we already have income equality on campus
some schools are already the honey pot you dope, you think the #1 recruit in the country is ever going to to to Akron? there are only a handful of schools NOW that get the best players because they have the best coaches and the best facilities
i feel sorry for anyone who voted for this guy altho i blame the Republican party mostly for not giving you a better candidate
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 30, 2019 21:18:45 GMT -5
Yes you were correct. Hard to believe that the NCAA caved so quickly. Guess they figured they were going to still get their $$$ because they will still own the image and likeness of the institution. All of the unintended consequences of this will be significant and not be immediately apparent. One lawmaker has already said that he will introduce a bill to tax as income the value of scholarships given to the players. Pity the poor 3rd string freshman OL with no endorsements, that will have to pay tax on his $30,000 "full ride". A sad day for amateur athletics indeed. Where has it been said that Colleges can't continue to profit from their athletes image, likeness or uniforms? The athletes will be allowed to compete with the colleges to profit from their images, likeness or uniform. It is ignorant to think that ALL athletes will have to pay taxes on their scholarships. Only the .0001%, like Fields, Dobbins and Chase Young, who could make 6 figures/year from their image, likeness and uniform. They will have to hire business managers, accountants and lawyers, as these 18 to 20 year old kids have ZERO experience in running a business. However, the fees these blood suckers will charge, can be deducted on the athlete's income tax returns. I don't envy how their lives will change for the worse, at 18 years of age. I DO NOT want to hear any whining about how this puts them into a higher tax bracket.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 30, 2019 21:34:26 GMT -5
it's not an amateur endeavor when you generate billions of dollars in profit so bullocks to your amateurs, call me when they start coaching for free :+/ no doubt it is going to be a tangled mess but anyone who thought the NCAA was going to fight this was clueless to begin with...the NCAA had a chance to get out ahead of this 20 YEARS AGO and they kept their heads in the sand and cashed checks as fast as they could and now this...they have no one to blame but themselves, proving themselves to be a neutered institution concerned only with making bank...they are not Leaders, they are not Role Models, they are not Father Figures... ...they are rank and file Carnival Barkers on a Nationwide loot crusade, plain and simple...(Jim Delaney did not retire this spring by accident...he was watching the roads and studying the dust, and call him what you will or worse, he is no dummy) there is only one rule in this physical universe and it applies to everyone and everything: CHANGE OR DIE Tradition is the enemy of progress. Coaches have studied and learned from watching college administrators and professors who suck on the teat of the BILLIONS of dollars of endowments that have garnered them HUGE raises FAR FAR greater than inflation or their worth. They NEVER get fired, as coaches do all the time after a few years of not winning enough games.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 30, 2019 21:38:13 GMT -5
well ok but i'm not defending tenured deuche bags so...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 30, 2019 21:43:59 GMT -5
You're father didn't want to make as much money as possible during his peak earning years?? Outside the likes of robbing banks or taking advantage of grannies....doesn't anything go? Lizzy Warren would say no...take from the middle class and higher and give to those in tents living on the street.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 30, 2019 21:46:29 GMT -5
my father made his money off the sweat of his own brow, not off the sweat of others
no clue what your point is here but then i never have a clue what your point is because you don't ever have one
i was raised to not be beholden to the almighty dollar, ya know, like Christ
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 30, 2019 21:49:32 GMT -5
Doofus, if your father made money off the sweat of his brow, he DID ALLL he could to make as much as he possibly could.
LeBron shouldn't make every dollar possible from his God give talents...as ALL that work hard do from what God gave them.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 30, 2019 21:52:05 GMT -5
Doofus, your posts are awful. Sorry you were wrong about the NCAA. Better for you to just admit it.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 30, 2019 21:56:42 GMT -5
Doofus, your posts are awful. Sorry you were wrong about the NCAA. Better for you to just admit it. NO yours are awful, they're always putting others down. You don't think Ryan Day deserves what he's made from the sweat of his brow? He's done no more than LeBron has done. Accepted what Ohio State administrators think he's worth as a coach. Give us a quote where I was "wrong about the NCAA".
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 30, 2019 22:11:21 GMT -5
uh...what?
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 30, 2019 22:18:23 GMT -5
Yes you were correct. Hard to believe that the NCAA caved so quickly. Guess they figured they were going to still get their $$$ because they will still own the image and likeness of the institution. All of the unintended consequences of this will be significant and not be immediately apparent. One lawmaker has already said that he will introduce a bill to tax as income the value of scholarships given to the players. Pity the poor 3rd string freshman OL with no endorsements, that will have to pay tax on his $30,000 "full ride". A sad day for amateur athletics indeed. Where has it been said that Colleges can't continue to profit from their athletes image, likeness or uniforms? The athletes will be allowed to compete with the colleges to profit from their images, likeness or uniform. It is ignorant to think that ALL athletes will have to pay taxes on their scholarships. Only the .0001%, like Fields, Dobbins and Chase Young, who could make 6 figures/year from their image, likeness and uniform. They will have to hire business managers, accountants and lawyers, as these 18 to 20 year old kids have ZERO experience in running a business. However, the fees these blood suckers will charge, can be deducted on the athlete's income tax returns. I don't envy how their lives will change for the worse, at 18 years of age. I DO NOT want to hear any whining about how this puts them into a higher tax bracket. Hiring an agent or accountant quite quite possibly, violates NCAA guidelines. Prompting an ineligibility declaration. No football, no fan base, no money. This story is not complete and still out of focus at the moment, until the NCAA reveals the manner in how this new twist, will be handled and regulated.
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Post by cbus on Oct 31, 2019 16:08:22 GMT -5
it's not an amateur endeavor when you generate billions of dollars in profit so bullocks to your amateurs, call me when they start coaching for free :+/ no doubt it is going to be a tangled mess but anyone who thought the NCAA was going to fight this was clueless to begin with...the NCAA had a chance to get out ahead of this 20 YEARS AGO and they kept their heads in the sand and cashed checks as fast as they could and now this...they have no one to blame but themselves, proving themselves to be a neutered institution concerned only with making bank...they are not Leaders, they are not Role Models, they are not Father Figures... ...they are rank and file Carnival Barkers on a Nationwide loot crusade, plain and simple...(Jim Delaney did not retire this spring by accident...he was watching the roads and studying the dust, and call him what you will or worse, he is no dummy) there is only one rule in this physical universe and it applies to everyone and everything: CHANGE OR DIE Tradition is the enemy of progress. I agree with everything you say about the NCAA but, it's unclear from your post what you think the NCAA should have done 20 years ago that would have changed the current situation.
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Post by DrTorch on Oct 31, 2019 17:36:37 GMT -5
they could have started brainstorming how to make this work because it was inevitable, now they are going to have to rush to come up with what will inevitably be a terrible plan because it will be thrown together on the fly
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Post by sportsjock on Oct 31, 2019 22:29:02 GMT -5
This is more about governmental blundering and heavy handed impositioning, than anything the NCAA has done. Involve politicians in government over-reaching, with little or no concern for long term consequences, is a formula for disaster. The literal future of all collegiate athletics, rests on the present NCAA decision makers.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 31, 2019 22:42:38 GMT -5
How can an athlete make any money from his image, likeness or uniform if he doesn't have a business manager? AGAIN this is akin to a small business. Anyone run a business netting 100K/year?? How will an athlete on scholarship, going to classes, studying, taking tests, staying academically eligible, work outs with Coach Mick, film study, practices, and playing games. All done Mondays through Sundays, 52 weeks/year. This image/likeness business will add at a minimum of 20 hours/week to an already very busy and stressful schedule, if done without help.
IMO, the ONLY way this will work and keep KIDS from f-ing up big time, by getting involved with blood sucking agents or business managers is for universities to give athletes a cut of the profits they currently make from their athletes images and likenesses. They do it FAR FAR better than any 18-20 year old business neophytes could do it. Who is to be trusted more?
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Post by cbus on Nov 1, 2019 7:46:48 GMT -5
they could have started brainstorming how to make this work because it was inevitable, now they are going to have to rush to come up with what will inevitably be a terrible plan because it will be thrown together on the fly You could just say that you don't know.
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Post by sportsjock on Nov 1, 2019 8:27:47 GMT -5
How can an athlete make any money from his image, likeness or uniform if he doesn't have a business manager? AGAIN this is akin to a small business. Anyone run a business netting 100K/year?? How will an athlete on scholarship, going to classes, studying, taking tests, staying academically eligible, work outs with Coach Mick, film study, practices, and playing games. All done Mondays through Sundays, 52 weeks/year. This image/likeness business will add at a minimum of 20 hours/week to an already very busy and stressful schedule, if done without help. IMO, the ONLY way this will work and keep KIDS from f-ing up big time, by getting involved with blood sucking agents or business managers is for universities to give athletes a cut of the profits they currently make from their athletes images and likenesses. They do it FAR FAR better than any 18-20 year old business neophytes could do it. Who is to be trusted more? I totally agree. However, the money needs to be held in a trust of some sort and not accessible till after graduation or the student is no longer an athlete. Deferred payment preserves the basic tenets of amateurism, while doing what's right in rewarding the athlete what is rightfully theirs. I'm fully expecting the NCAA to draw that distinct line in the sand.
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Post by DrTorch on Nov 1, 2019 17:35:42 GMT -5
they could have started brainstorming how to make this work because it was inevitable, now they are going to have to rush to come up with what will inevitably be a terrible plan because it will be thrown together on the fly You could just say that you don't know. i don't get paid to know, or to figure it out i do know that the NCAA seemed to be able to figure out how THEY themselves could profit off college players likenesses without any issue so i can only surmise their sudden and acute lack of business savvy is not an intellectual challenge so much as it is a motivational hurdle
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