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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 10, 2019 17:54:36 GMT -5
84 feet would be my guess. Madison might hold that many fans but I can't think of anywhere else. If so let me know. I'll take a shot and say that Madison, Mansfield, Lexington and Ontario all hold as many as Willard and all have a full length court. Obvlously leg doesn't get out much. Are you implying Willard's court is a little short of full length? I've never measured, but I've heard it is.
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Post by xlegend on Nov 12, 2019 22:00:32 GMT -5
Boys play in Worthington this Saturday at 10 I'm guessing they'll play some nice teams down there.
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Post by dude on Nov 12, 2019 23:30:19 GMT -5
How did they do against SC?
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Post by xlegend on Nov 12, 2019 23:58:39 GMT -5
How did they do against SC? [br I wasn't there but from what I was told the scrimmage itself was a lot of half court stuff.they worked on out of bounds and game time situations.wasnt a lot of up and down.but that being said I was told Willard looked pretty good.im hoping to get down to cbus Saturday. I'll give my 2cents when I get back
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 13, 2019 7:59:16 GMT -5
How did they do against SC? [br I wasn't there but from what I was told the scrimmage itself was a lot of half court stuff.they worked on out of bounds and game time situations.wasnt a lot of up and down.but that being said I was told Willard looked pretty good.im hoping to get down to cbus Saturday. I'll give my 2cents when I get back Legend is correct. It was more of an intense practice against different opponents than it was a scrimmage. However, they did have refs that called it close for both teams. They used a 15 minute running clock to work on situational stuff, then moved on to the next situation. They did not keep score. After the first 15 minutes, I came to the conclusion that both teams are gonna be really good. SC is very quick with an abundance of shooters, plus a premier guard, not much size but fundamentally sound on the boards and will hold their own inside against most teams. Willard is very big/tall. Their size will cause most teams problems, Not a starter under 6'1", they also have a premier guard, but they also have a premier big man who can handle the ball and shoot the 3. Both teams are very athletic and like to push the ball up the floor. My guess is in a real game, Willard would win 7/8 times outta 10, just too much size for SC to deal with. JMHO.
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 15, 2019 23:32:58 GMT -5
[br I wasn't there but from what I was told the scrimmage itself was a lot of half court stuff.they worked on out of bounds and game time situations.wasnt a lot of up and down.but that being said I was told Willard looked pretty good.im hoping to get down to cbus Saturday. I'll give my 2cents when I get back Legend is correct. It was more of an intense practice against different opponents than it was a scrimmage. However, they did have refs that called it close for both teams. They used a 15 minute running clock to work on situational stuff, then moved on to the next situation. They did not keep score. After the first 15 minutes, I came to the conclusion that both teams are gonna be really good. SC is very quick with an abundance of shooters, plus a premier guard, not much size but fundamentally sound on the boards and will hold their own inside against most teams. Willard is very big/tall. Their size will cause most teams problems, Not a starter under 6'1", they also have a premier guard, but they also have a premier big man who can handle the ball and shoot the 3. Both teams are very athletic and like to push the ball up the floor. My guess is in a real game, Willard would win 7/8 times outta 10, just too much size for SC to deal with. JMHO. Are these two teams in the same division?
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 16, 2019 1:45:27 GMT -5
Legend is correct. It was more of an intense practice against different opponents than it was a scrimmage. However, they did have refs that called it close for both teams. They used a 15 minute running clock to work on situational stuff, then moved on to the next situation. They did not keep score. After the first 15 minutes, I came to the conclusion that both teams are gonna be really good. SC is very quick with an abundance of shooters, plus a premier guard, not much size but fundamentally sound on the boards and will hold their own inside against most teams. Willard is very big/tall. Their size will cause most teams problems, Not a starter under 6'1", they also have a premier guard, but they also have a premier big man who can handle the ball and shoot the 3. Both teams are very athletic and like to push the ball up the floor. My guess is in a real game, Willard would win 7/8 times outta 10, just too much size for SC to deal with. JMHO. Are these two teams in the same division? No. Willard is D3, SC is D4.
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 16, 2019 14:16:44 GMT -5
Just got home from Worthington Kilbourne. The Flashes went head to head with Kilbourne for 9 quarters. Each quarter 8:00 minutes. Licensed Refs, played just like a regular game. Willard won 6 of the 9 quarters. We were definitely the better team. We have a solid six players healthy, after that the bench gets pretty thin and young. If we only go 6 deep, the boys are gonna need to get in better shape cause they are gonna play alot of minutes....and we like to play uptempo. All in all, they looked pretty good against some pretty good competition.
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 16, 2019 17:30:07 GMT -5
Just got home from Worthington Kilbourne. The Flashes went head to head with Kilbourne for 9 quarters. Each quarter 8:00 minutes. Licensed Refs, played just like a regular game. Willard won 6 of the 9 quarters. We were definitely the better team. We have a solid six players healthy, after that the bench gets pretty thin and young. If we only go 6 deep, the boys are gonna need to get in better shape cause they are gonna play alot of minutes....and we like to play uptempo. All in all, they looked pretty good against some pretty good competition. [br Awesome. Was this just a scrimmage against one school or were there multiple schools there? Who are the starters for Willard?
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 16, 2019 17:58:56 GMT -5
Just got home from Worthington Kilbourne. The Flashes went head to head with Kilbourne for 9 quarters. Each quarter 8:00 minutes. Licensed Refs, played just like a regular game. Willard won 6 of the 9 quarters. We were definitely the better team. We have a solid six players healthy, after that the bench gets pretty thin and young. If we only go 6 deep, the boys are gonna need to get in better shape cause they are gonna play alot of minutes....and we like to play uptempo. All in all, they looked pretty good against some pretty good competition. [br Awesome. Was this just a scrimmage against one school or were there multiple schools there? Who are the starters for Willard? Only us and Kilbourne. Starters today were Parrot, Adelman, Pinkston, Baldridge and Dawson. However, coach used Paxton, Adelman, Pinkston, and Dawson in different starting combinations depending on the quarter. Those four are fairly interchangeable and the team doesn't lose much with either of them on the court.
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Post by dude on Nov 17, 2019 10:31:16 GMT -5
Just got home from Worthington Kilbourne. The Flashes went head to head with Kilbourne for 9 quarters. Each quarter 8:00 minutes. Licensed Refs, played just like a regular game. Willard won 6 of the 9 quarters. We were definitely the better team. We have a solid six players healthy, after that the bench gets pretty thin and young. If we only go 6 deep, the boys are gonna need to get in better shape cause they are gonna play alot of minutes....and we like to play uptempo. All in all, they looked pretty good against some pretty good competition.Is Kilbourne better this season? For the last few years they have not been very good. Definitely an under .500 team.
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Post by tori2 on Nov 17, 2019 11:42:38 GMT -5
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 17, 2019 12:12:59 GMT -5
Just got home from Worthington Kilbourne. The Flashes went head to head with Kilbourne for 9 quarters. Each quarter 8:00 minutes. Licensed Refs, played just like a regular game. Willard won 6 of the 9 quarters. We were definitely the better team. We have a solid six players healthy, after that the bench gets pretty thin and young. If we only go 6 deep, the boys are gonna need to get in better shape cause they are gonna play alot of minutes....and we like to play uptempo. All in all, they looked pretty good against some pretty good competition.Is Kilbourne better this season? For the last few years they have not been very good. Definitely an under .500 team. Nope, they're terrible jacka$$.....and you say you don't antagonize. They don't necessarily have to be an above .500 team (larger school, good conference, good athletes) for them to be good competition for the Flashes. Looking at their schedule for this year, they're probably a .500 team at best.
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Post by Willard Dad on Nov 17, 2019 15:19:15 GMT -5
Worthington Kilbourne is D1 Willard is D3
I don't think dude would be saying this is D3 Wynford or D3 Colonel Crawford or D3 Seneca East took 6 of 9 vs Kilbourne. Wynford, CC and SE are the schools in Willard's division, Kilbourne is 2 divisions up.
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Post by dude on Nov 17, 2019 16:39:43 GMT -5
Is Kilbourne better this season? For the last few years they have not been very good. Definitely an under .500 team. Nope, they're terrible jacka$$.....and you say you don't antagonize. They don't necessarily have to be an above .500 team (larger school, good conference, good athletes) for them to be good competition for the Flashes. Looking at their schedule for this year, they're probably a .500 team at best. It was an honest question jacka$$. My nephew will have to play them twice this year so I was curious.
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Post by dude on Nov 17, 2019 16:45:19 GMT -5
Worthington Kilbourne is D1 Willard is D3 I don't think dude would be saying this is D3 Wynford or D3 Colonel Crawford or D3 Seneca East took 6 of 9 vs Kilbourne. Wynford, CC and SE are the schools in Willard's division, Kilbourne is 2 divisions up. Sorry to disappoint but I would have asked the same question to anyone who saw Kilbourne play and said they were a good team this year.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 17, 2019 20:24:32 GMT -5
Worthington Kilbourne is D1 Willard is D3 I don't think dude would be saying this is D3 Wynford or D3 Colonel Crawford or D3 Seneca East took 6 of 9 vs Kilbourne. Wynford, CC and SE are the schools in Willard's division, Kilbourne is 2 divisions up. Willard should be playing some D1 and more D2 schools when the games count, they used to.
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Post by xlegend on Nov 17, 2019 21:02:32 GMT -5
Glad to see everyone is in mid season form. Good to hear that we competed very well against a bigger school with nice athletes.to me it's not the size of the school but if it's a good team your playing against that being games or scrimmages.Sounds like some of the concerns I had are very evident according to C5.joe has to get these kids in shape I was told we looked tired and kilboune looked fresh after the first 3 quarters of the scrimmage. Not good.if we only have 6 guys either walk the ball up or get them shape.
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 18, 2019 6:19:09 GMT -5
Worthington Kilbourne is D1 Willard is D3 I don't think dude would be saying this is D3 Wynford or D3 Colonel Crawford or D3 Seneca East took 6 of 9 vs Kilbourne. Wynford, CC and SE are the schools in Willard's division, Kilbourne is 2 divisions up. Willard should be playing some D1 and more D2 schools when the games count, they used to. You nailed it. If the goal is to go further in the tourney it pays to play stiff competition but that is a double edge sword as well. Say you go 13-9 in the season but you play some very tough teams, but you compete. When the tourney starts you may be seeded lower and your first round may be tougher but you are tougher because you've played some larger, better teams. This is what Coldwater did and we saw that result. Records or winning gets the fans to come out (that is one goal) but they can hurt you if you are beating teams that aren't as good. I agree, schedule some of these very tough teams in the area, Sandusky, Fremont Ross and Mansfield Senior (so what if we get beat) it gets us ready for the tourney.
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Post by dude on Nov 18, 2019 8:26:06 GMT -5
Willard should be playing some D1 and more D2 schools when the games count, they used to. You nailed it. If the goal is to go further in the tourney it pays to play stiff competition but that is a double edge sword as well. Say you go 13-9 in the season but you play some very tough teams, but you compete. When the tourney starts you may be seeded lower and your first round may be tougher but you are tougher because you've played some larger, better teams. This is what Coldwater did and we saw that result. Records or winning gets the fans to come out (that is one goal) but they can hurt you if you are beating teams that aren't as good. I agree, schedule some of these very tough teams in the area, Sandusky, Fremont Ross and Mansfield Senior (so what if we get beat) it gets us ready for the tourney. So based on what you just wrote, Willard would rather have maximum easy wins to draw fans to the stands then risk losing a few games against better competition and be better tournament ready. Both methods could lead to feelings of comfort. Winning 18 games a season would make anyone feel good about their team. My thought would be most Willard fans(not just the parents that are on here) would rather see tougher games and long tournament runs versus going 19-3 and getting beat before district finals. But we have all seen both formulas followed by teams.
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 18, 2019 9:53:47 GMT -5
You nailed it. If the goal is to go further in the tourney it pays to play stiff competition but that is a double edge sword as well. Say you go 13-9 in the season but you play some very tough teams, but you compete. When the tourney starts you may be seeded lower and your first round may be tougher but you are tougher because you've played some larger, better teams. This is what Coldwater did and we saw that result. Records or winning gets the fans to come out (that is one goal) but they can hurt you if you are beating teams that aren't as good. I agree, schedule some of these very tough teams in the area, Sandusky, Fremont Ross and Mansfield Senior (so what if we get beat) it gets us ready for the tourney. So based on what you just wrote, Willard would rather have maximum easy wins to draw fans to the stands then risk losing a few games against better competition and be better tournament ready. Both methods could lead to feelings of comfort. Winning 18 games a season would make anyone feel good about their team. My thought would be most Willard fans(not just the parents that are on here) would rather see tougher games and long tournament runs versus going 19-3 and getting beat before district finals. But we have all seen both formulas followed by teams. I'm not saying this is what they would rather do, this is what happens. The fans want wins now and that is how you fill the gym, with wins. If you go 13-9 you lose some fans throughout the season because they think it is a mediocre team and they can't see the forest for the trees. I'm not saying load the schedule up with all D1 schools but it helps humble players and coaches and better prepares them for the post season when they have to battle through tough games, even ending up with an L once in a while because of it. The team learns something from these type of challenges. Beating up on the likes of Bucyrus and Buckeye Central do us no good. Replace those teams with Sandusky and Mansfield Senior moving forward. I know it isn't as simple as that, but you get my point. The challenges we face today make us stronger tomorrow, that is what I'm saying. I would rather go 13-9 in the season and have a legitimate chance at making the final 4 than going 18-4 just to know I'm going to get my you know what handed to me at regionals because the competition is so much better and we aren't really ready for that.
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 18, 2019 13:30:35 GMT -5
So based on what you just wrote, Willard would rather have maximum easy wins to draw fans to the stands then risk losing a few games against better competition and be better tournament ready. Both methods could lead to feelings of comfort. Winning 18 games a season would make anyone feel good about their team. My thought would be most Willard fans(not just the parents that are on here) would rather see tougher games and long tournament runs versus going 19-3 and getting beat before district finals. But we have all seen both formulas followed by teams. I'm not saying this is what they would rather do, this is what happens. The fans want wins now and that is how you fill the gym, with wins. If you go 13-9 you lose some fans throughout the season because they think it is a mediocre team and they can't see the forest for the trees. I'm not saying load the schedule up with all D1 schools but it helps humble players and coaches and better prepares them for the post season when they have to battle through tough games, even ending up with an L once in a while because of it. The team learns something from these type of challenges. Beating up on the likes of Bucyrus and Buckeye Central do us no good. Replace those teams with Sandusky and Mansfield Senior moving forward. I know it isn't as simple as that, but you get my point. The challenges we face today make us stronger tomorrow, that is what I'm saying. I would rather go 13-9 in the season and have a legitimate chance at making the final 4 than going 18-4 just to know I'm going to get my you know what handed to me at regionals because the competition is so much better and we aren't really ready for that. Didnt we beat this dead horse last year? Willard has 12 non conference games this year. Perkins Upper Sandusky Bellevue Shelby Norwalk Tiffin Columbian Carey Wynford Northwestern St. Paul Bucyrus Buckeye Central Sure, I would like to see the bottom six upgraded to Mansfield, Ontario, Lexington, Sandusky, Fremont, and maybe a Cleveland/Toledo/Columbus/Akron team. This years schedule is a bit upgraded compared to last year. Not easy to upgrade all non conference games in 1 year, with home and home contracts. I'm guessing will see a little more upgrading next year, then level off with 8 larger schools/good programs and 4 same size/smaller schools.
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Post by marchmadness on Nov 18, 2019 13:50:54 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Willard's schedule. They are a D3 school that plays 6 D2s and 6 D3s/4s. Only 3 gimmies. Wynford, Bucyrus and Buckeye.
Sure, Carey, St. Paul and Nwestern don't look like much, but Carey has a U of Findlay commit. St. Paul has plenty of talent. Northwestern is also very talented. Those teams won't roll over for Willard. Bellevue (Marshall) and Perkins (Segal) will be below average, but they will at least have a very talented player.
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Post by dude on Nov 18, 2019 14:15:22 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Willard's schedule. They are a D3 school that plays 6 D2s and 6 D3s/4s. Only 3 gimmies. Wynford, Bucyrus and Buckeye. Sure, Carey, St. Paul and Nwestern don't look like much, but Carey has a U of Findlay commit. St. Paul has plenty of talent. Northwestern is also very talented. Those teams won't roll over for Willard. Bellevue (Marshall) and Perkins (Segal) will be below average, but they will at least have a very talented player. There is nothing wrong with Willard's schedule they play 6 D2 teams(we all know Upper was D3 and bumped up by 1 kid) and 3 D3 teams and 3 D4 teams.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 18, 2019 15:42:23 GMT -5
I agree with getting Sandusky back on the schedule and certainly Norwalk and Shelby. Natural rivals.
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 18, 2019 15:53:00 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Willard's schedule. They are a D3 school that plays 6 D2s and 6 D3s/4s. Only 3 gimmies. Wynford, Bucyrus and Buckeye. Sure, Carey, St. Paul and Nwestern don't look like much, but Carey has a U of Findlay commit. St. Paul has plenty of talent. Northwestern is also very talented. Those teams won't roll over for Willard. Bellevue (Marshall) and Perkins (Segal) will be below average, but they will at least have a very talented player. I should have been more clear. I think their schedule is just fine as well. Just saying some of those schools would be fun to play again. I'm good with a 6/6 split.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Nov 18, 2019 17:11:42 GMT -5
I see fewer victims at a U2 benefit concert than I do in this thread the way some of you Willard fans act. Yeesh.
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 18, 2019 19:02:09 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Willard's schedule. They are a D3 school that plays 6 D2s and 6 D3s/4s. Only 3 gimmies. Wynford, Bucyrus and Buckeye. Sure, Carey, St. Paul and Nwestern don't look like much, but Carey has a U of Findlay commit. St. Paul has plenty of talent. Northwestern is also very talented. Those teams won't roll over for Willard. Bellevue (Marshall) and Perkins (Segal) will be below average, but they will at least have a very talented player. Obviously, you read nothing i said. I never said there was anything wrong with their schedule and it will produce a load of wins, if that is the goal. I just said it would nice to play stiffer competition to better prepare us for the tourney.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 19, 2019 7:22:27 GMT -5
The question I have is when was the 2019-2020 schedule made? Because it was not until the middle of the early season last year that it became apparent this group was a significant upgrade in talent from previous seasons and could go toe to toe against Mans Sr and Sandusky and the like. I agree with tc,,,iron sharpens iron and when you have the horses you'd like to push them to get better and that's against better comp. When Willard was in their hayday under Coach Haas and Coach Noss,,,we hardly ever played schools that were smaller than us. I do think the talent played a part in that thinking though and we certainly had a much bigger student body to pull kids from.
Once again it's great to be relevant again and to be able to have players that are college level athletes and to at least talk of Regionals and the like. I'm anxious to see Pinkston play and see what I hope will be significant improvement as he'll be the 3rd scorer which will be important to our teams destiny down the road.
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Post by xlegend on Nov 19, 2019 8:29:24 GMT -5
The question I have is when was the 2019-2020 schedule made? Because it was not until the middle of the early season last year that it became apparent this group was a significant upgrade in talent from previous seasons and could go toe to toe against Mans Sr and Sandusky and the like. I agree with tc,,,iron sharpens iron and when you have the horses you'd like to push them to get better and that's against better comp. When Willard was in their hayday under Coach Haas and Coach Noss,,,we hardly ever played schools that were smaller than us. I do think the talent played a part in that thinking though and we certainly had a much bigger student body to pull kids from. Once again it's great to be relevant again and to be able to have players that are college level athletes and to at least talk of Regionals and the like. I'm anxious to see Pinkston play and see what I hope will be significant improvement as he'll be the 3rd scorer which will be important to our teams destiny down the road.
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