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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 19, 2020 18:57:18 GMT -5
You old pot stirrer...you know darn well why Upper didn't have another player on first team. Please explain? You don't really want me to be specific. It wouldn't be the thing to do.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 19, 2020 19:00:09 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised a team with 2 wins can get 2 players all conference honors. Ridgedale really only got one. As long as a coach submits one, every school gets an honorable mention.
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Post by dude on Mar 20, 2020 5:01:12 GMT -5
You old pot stirrer...you know darn well why Upper didn't have another player on first team. Please explain? He cannot because he doesn't know. He may need reminded that kids who have received a suspension are still eligible for post season awards.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Mar 20, 2020 12:45:09 GMT -5
kids who have received a suspension are still eligible for post season awards. I think they are only eligible if their coach nominates them...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 20, 2020 17:39:05 GMT -5
He cannot because he doesn't know. He may need reminded that kids who have received a suspension are still eligible for post season awards. Says one of the more ignorant people concerning high school sports on NOSF. Read what Morgan wrote and become learned.
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Post by dude on Mar 21, 2020 12:45:54 GMT -5
kids who have received a suspension are still eligible for post season awards. I think they are only eligible if their coach nominates them... That would explain why but it would surprise me since I thought I saw the kid on the bench for the tournament games. Over the course of 22 games the kid did a lot for the coach and won him a bunch of games over his career. The kids made a bad choice but is he was still on the team, this is a season long recognition and maybe should have been included. Would he have been put up if he started the season with the same choice? No need to carry this on but it was just a thought that the kid had earned this award over the course of 22 games he did play in.
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Post by royalballdad on Mar 21, 2020 14:58:39 GMT -5
I think they are only eligible if their coach nominates them... That would explain why but it would surprise me since I thought I saw the kid on the bench for the tournament games. Over the course of 22 games the kid did a lot for the coach and won him a bunch of games over his career. The kids made a bad choice but is he was still on the team, this is a season long recognition and maybe should have been included. Would he have been put up if he started the season with the same choice? No need to carry this on but it was just a thought that the kid had earned this award over the course of 22 games he did play in. The player being discussed was not on the bench during the tourney - heard he did not even attend the tourney games. The player deserved no post season recognition as he let his team down by making selfish & stupid decisions including in the first game of the season loss to Willard by being benched for the second half. Also this wasn’t a first time issue by a player who never caused problems or was in trouble... there is quite a lengthy history there.
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Post by dude on Mar 21, 2020 15:42:54 GMT -5
That would explain why but it would surprise me since I thought I saw the kid on the bench for the tournament games. Over the course of 22 games the kid did a lot for the coach and won him a bunch of games over his career. The kids made a bad choice but is he was still on the team, this is a season long recognition and maybe should have been included. Would he have been put up if he started the season with the same choice? No need to carry this on but it was just a thought that the kid had earned this award over the course of 22 games he did play in. The player being discussed was not on the bench during the tourney - heard he did not even attend the tourney games. The player deserved no post season recognition as he let his team down by making selfish & stupid decisions including in the first game of the season loss to Willard by being benched for the second half. Also this wasn’t a first time issue by a player who never caused problems or was in trouble... there is quite a lengthy history there. Kids causing trouble is nothing new. The timing was very bad but do not under play what the kid helped this team, coach and program accomplish. Not so long ago an SBC team had a kid caught with drugs and still received post season awards. He also is not without history. So timing plays a big part, but I did think he was in street close with the team this month.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 16:08:56 GMT -5
The player being discussed was not on the bench during the tourney - heard he did not even attend the tourney games. The player deserved no post season recognition as he let his team down by making selfish & stupid decisions including in the first game of the season loss to Willard by being benched for the second half. Also this wasn’t a first time issue by a player who never caused problems or was in trouble... there is quite a lengthy history there. Kids causing trouble is nothing new. The timing was very bad but do not under play what the kid helped this team, coach and program accomplish. Not so long ago an SBC team had a kid caught with drugs and still received post season awards. He also is not without history. So timing plays a big part, but I did think he was in street close with the team this month. He was not. He was kicked off the team. Know what you’re talking about before making comments. You want post-season rewards? Don’t put yourself before the team
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 21, 2020 17:34:20 GMT -5
dudette is always blathering about what he does not know. How is one in "street close"??
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 21, 2020 17:38:52 GMT -5
I think they are only eligible if their coach nominates them... Would he have been put up if he started the season with the same choice? Depends. This wasn't just breaking a team rule.
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Post by bballguy on Mar 21, 2020 18:16:19 GMT -5
That would explain why but it would surprise me since I thought I saw the kid on the bench for the tournament games. Over the course of 22 games the kid did a lot for the coach and won him a bunch of games over his career. The kids made a bad choice but is he was still on the team, this is a season long recognition and maybe should have been included. Would he have been put up if he started the season with the same choice? No need to carry this on but it was just a thought that the kid had earned this award over the course of 22 games he did play in. The player being discussed was not on the bench during the tourney - heard he did not even attend the tourney games. The player deserved no post season recognition as he let his team down by making selfish & stupid decisions including in the first game of the season loss to Willard by being benched for the second half. Also this wasn’t a first time issue by a player who never caused problems or was in trouble... there is quite a lengthy history there. Royaldad you sure spout off a lot of things you think you know. What lengthy history is there? First time I have heard of any trouble. And if your blaming the kid for the Willard loss you are clueless. Dude has a point. The kid played the entire N10 season. Like some have posted, this situation has happened in that program before.
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Post by purefan on Mar 21, 2020 18:27:46 GMT -5
The player being discussed was not on the bench during the tourney - heard he did not even attend the tourney games. The player deserved no post season recognition as he let his team down by making selfish & stupid decisions including in the first game of the season loss to Willard by being benched for the second half. Also this wasn’t a first time issue by a player who never caused problems or was in trouble... there is quite a lengthy history there. Royaldad you sure spout off a lot of things you think you know. What lengthy history is there? First time I have heard of any trouble. And if your blaming the kid for the Willard loss you are clueless. Dude has a point. The kid played the entire N10 season. Like some have posted, this situation has happened in that program before. I think royallballdad got confused and meant to say it runs in the family. In this incident this year the kid not only broke team rules but broke the law. Coach winslow had no choice but to not nominate him. He did however get all district awards if not mistaken because that took place before the incident happened.
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Post by royalballdad on Mar 21, 2020 19:27:21 GMT -5
The young man is an incredible athlete. And had a really good season, especially the second half. He was a tough kid to coach with a lot of influence (code word for coaching from the stands & at home) by his family. From what I have heard from other players parents this issue that caused his removal from the team was “just a matter of time before he got caught breaking the law or team rules”. Many were surprised it didn’t happen sooner. My question: where were the parents? The coach bent over backwards for this kid and his brother over the past 8 years and went out of his way to help both of them on & off the court. It is truly a shame for not only him but for the team. Losing a player of his ability that late in the season was a huge loss. Again, he was a real talent - could have played in college.
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Post by dude on Mar 21, 2020 22:48:55 GMT -5
Kids causing trouble is nothing new. The timing was very bad but do not under play what the kid helped this team, coach and program accomplish. Not so long ago an SBC team had a kid caught with drugs and still received post season awards. He also is not without history. So timing plays a big part, but I did think he was in street close with the team this month. He was not. He was kicked off the team. Know what you’re talking about before making comments. You want post-season rewards? Don’t put yourself before the team Only way to know is to ask. As I said, I thought he was with the team as there was a street clothed student on the bench.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 22, 2020 0:38:56 GMT -5
The kid on the bench in street clothes had a cast on his wrist.
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Post by Whittaker on Mar 22, 2020 7:45:06 GMT -5
Just for the fun of it, anyone who hasn't broken a law, any law, reply to this post.
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Post by bballguy on Mar 22, 2020 9:14:47 GMT -5
The young man is an incredible athlete. And had a really good season, especially the second half. He was a tough kid to coach with a lot of influence (code word for coaching from the stands & at home) by his family. From what I have heard from other players parents this issue that caused his removal from the team was “just a matter of time before he got caught breaking the law or team rules”. Many were surprised it didn’t happen sooner. My question: where were the parents? The coach bent over backwards for this kid and his brother over the past 8 years and went out of his way to help both of them on & off the court. It is truly a shame for not only him but for the team. Losing a player of his ability that late in the season was a huge loss. Again, he was a real talent - could have played in college. Royaldad, do you know the "family" personally? If not, I don't think you can criticize the parenting or "family influence" as you call it. Perhaps that "influence" is what made them the great players and athletes they were. And how do you know he was a tough kid to coach? From what I saw he knew the game perhaps better than anyone on their team. That does not happen by accident. Kids make mistakes, as do adults, does not mean they are bad individuals.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 22, 2020 11:37:06 GMT -5
Just for the fun of it, anyone who hasn't broken a law, any law, reply to this post. There is a HUGE difference between getting a speeding ticket(I raise my hand). Which one can pay a fine and not even have to appear in court. Versus possession of an illegal substance, theft or a DUI. For all of which you better have a lawyer with you when you go to court at a minimum and could either could get you some time or at the the least community service. Depending on the severity. If under 18 a judge must show leniency and it won't show on your "record". If 18 or over, hope the judge isn't having a bad day.
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Post by royalballdad on Mar 22, 2020 11:43:27 GMT -5
Not going to beat a dead horse... you can spin this however you want or makes you feel better. There is a ton of history here (and all well documented) with both the player and his family. The coach & team have put up with a lot over the past 4 years with this player and his family. This last incident was the coups d'état of his career. Again the kid was an amazing talent and had an opportunity to use basketball (or football) to further his education but he struggled to just stay eligible in HS. Not because he wasn’t smart, but because he chose to care more about other things then commitment to academics. Hope this recent incident taught him a huge lesson and he moves on with his life after high school and has much success! Many people are rooting for him!
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Post by fbfan on Mar 22, 2020 12:42:25 GMT -5
At the high school level, I'd like to think that more than athletic prowess and proficiency are expected, taught and rewarded. Among those things would be good citizenship and doing the right thing. Sure, kids and adults all make mistakes, however, neither should be rewarded for, or shielded from the consequences of those mistakes. I would not have voted league honors if I had a vote.
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Post by dude on Mar 22, 2020 14:31:43 GMT -5
At the high school level, I'd like to think that more than athletic prowess and proficiency are expected, taught and rewarded. Among those things would be good citizenship and doing the right thing. Sure, kids and adults all make mistakes, however, neither should be rewarded for, or shielded from the consequences of those mistakes. I would not have voted league honors if I had a vote. Although I do agree with you in part, it may come as a surprise how limited the voting options may be if every player nominated was held to an above average standard in all areas you mentioned. If any situation is a poor as being discussed the first corrective action that can be taken is by the coach in in limiting playing time to try and get thru.
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Post by Whittaker on Mar 23, 2020 11:49:13 GMT -5
Just for the fun of it, anyone who hasn't broken a law, any law, reply to this post. There is a HUGE difference between getting a speeding ticket(I raise my hand). Which one can pay a fine and not even have to appear in court. Versus possession of an illegal substance, theft or a DUI. For all of which you better have a lawyer with you when you go to court at a minimum and could either could get you some time or at the the least community service. Depending on the severity. If under 18 a judge must show leniency and it won't show on your "record". If 18 or over, hope the judge isn't having a bad day. An argument could be made that a 17 year-old exceeding the speed limit by 12 mph is more dangerous to society than a 17 year-old smoking a joint. Each case is different and perspective is everything.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 23, 2020 14:49:42 GMT -5
Your query had nothing in it about the danger of breaking a law.
I said possession of a controlled substance, not smoking a joint. It's quite dangerous to drive if high on marijuana, regardless of age. That's why there is not differential for age in DUI laws. Although a 17 year old driving high is most likely more dangerous than an adult.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 23, 2020 14:52:27 GMT -5
At the high school level, I'd like to think that more than athletic prowess and proficiency are expected, taught and rewarded. Among those things would be good citizenship and doing the right thing. Sure, kids and adults all make mistakes, however, neither should be rewarded for, or shielded from the consequences of those mistakes. I would not have voted league honors if I had a vote. Although I do agree with you in part, it may come as a surprise how limited the voting options may be if every player nominated was held to an above average standard in all areas you mentioned. If any situation is a poor as being discussed the first corrective action that can be taken is by the coach in in limiting playing time to try and get thru. Voting options for "above average standards" is COMPLETELY different from voting options for those who break the law.
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