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Post by chs71 on Nov 26, 2019 15:37:16 GMT -5
I heard a rumor a couple of weeks ago that these schools were discussing a new league. I have no idea how true it is, but the ex-coach who told me thought it was legit.
SBC Hopewell-Loudon Lakota Gibsonburg Calvert
NBC Elmwood Woodmore
TAAC Northwood Cardinal Stritch Ottawa Hills
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2019 16:41:37 GMT -5
The SBC would be better off with 2 Divisions.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 26, 2019 17:32:34 GMT -5
I heard a rumor a couple of weeks ago that these schools were discussing a new league. I have no idea how true it is, but the ex-coach who told me thought it was legit. SBC Hopewell-Loudon Lakota Gibsonburg Calvert NBC Elmwood Woodmore TAAC Northwood Cardinal Stritch Ottawa Hills There are definitely some changes on the horizon. SBC trying to get out ahead of it. We will see how the dust settles. Another round of movement is likely, especially for the smaller schools primarily due to 8-man causing instability.
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Post by Green Falcon on Nov 26, 2019 18:27:43 GMT -5
9 schools is not a great number but it's better than the current situation. Even numbers are always better.
Maybe reach out to North Baltimore?
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Post by chs71 on Nov 26, 2019 18:39:50 GMT -5
9 schools is not a great number but it's better than the current situation. Even numbers are always better. Maybe reach out to North Baltimore? I'd reach out to Margaretta first, but I have not heard from anyone else that any of this is an actual conversation.
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Post by falcon87 on Nov 26, 2019 20:22:26 GMT -5
Cardinal Stritch has stacked their basketball team to the point I would suspect they would be deal breakers. Margaretta is outside the footprint. And North Baltimore is in the heart of the Blanchard.
The other 8 should have and could have formed a league many years ago. Makes too much sense to ever happen.
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Post by wallacefan on Nov 27, 2019 9:02:56 GMT -5
Cardinal Stritch has stacked their basketball team to the point I would suspect they would be deal breakers. Margaretta is outside the footprint. And North Baltimore is in the heart of the Blanchard. The other 8 should have and could have formed a league many years ago. Makes too much sense to ever happen. Calvert would get serious heat from the Diocese of Toledo for ditching SJCC & SMCC (again) and then leaving Cardinal Stritch without a conference. But then, it didn't stop them from going to the TAAC the first time. Will be interesting...
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Post by falcon87 on Nov 27, 2019 9:14:31 GMT -5
Cardinal Stritch has stacked their basketball team to the point I would suspect they would be deal breakers. Margaretta is outside the footprint. And North Baltimore is in the heart of the Blanchard. The other 8 should have and could have formed a league many years ago. Makes too much sense to ever happen. Calvert would get serious heat from the Diocese of Toledo for ditching SJCC & SMCC (again) and then leaving Cardinal Stritch without a conference. But then, it didn't stop them from going to the TAAC the first time. Will be interesting... Not sure the Bishop really addresses such issues. I think separation is the path to preservation for Calvert.
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Post by midland1 on Nov 27, 2019 20:48:42 GMT -5
I heard a rumor a couple of weeks ago that these schools were discussing a new league. I have no idea how true it is, but the ex-coach who told me thought it was legit. SBC Hopewell-Loudon Lakota Gibsonburg Calvert NBC Elmwood Woodmore TAAC Northwood Cardinal Stritch Ottawa Hills Issue with TAAC schools is would they even want to travel? They bring 0 gate money and don't travel well. Ask Calvert how many issues there were when kids weren't getting home on weekdays because of travel. They couldn't get out of that league fast enough.
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Post by runawaytrain on Nov 27, 2019 23:14:58 GMT -5
So I had a chance to talk to someone in the know tonight......the SBC is indeed looking to expand and Elmwood, Woodmore and Northwood are all on the doorstep. Will have to see how it plays out, but seems to have quite a bit steam.
Doesn’t appear that there’s anyone teaming up to stay with each other in the TAAC, more of everyman for himself.
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Post by Green Falcon on Nov 28, 2019 0:08:30 GMT -5
So I had a chance to talk to someone in the know tonight......the SBC is indeed looking to expand and Elmwood, Woodmore and Northwood are all on the doorstep. Will have to see how it plays out, but seems to have quite a bit steam. Doesn’t appear that there’s anyone teaming up to stay with each other in the TAAC, more of everyman for himself. I would think if Woodmore was poached away, the NBC would be looking at Northwood
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Post by runawaytrain on Nov 28, 2019 8:27:03 GMT -5
So I had a chance to talk to someone in the know tonight......the SBC is indeed looking to expand and Elmwood, Woodmore and Northwood are all on the doorstep. Will have to see how it plays out, but seems to have quite a bit steam. Doesn’t appear that there’s anyone teaming up to stay with each other in the TAAC, more of everyman for himself. I would think if Woodmore was poached away, the NBC would be looking at Northwood Sounds like Northwood was the ones approaching the SBC on the matter...
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Post by wallacefan on Nov 28, 2019 8:41:49 GMT -5
Calvert would get serious heat from the Diocese of Toledo for ditching SJCC & SMCC (again) and then leaving Cardinal Stritch without a conference. But then, it didn't stop them from going to the TAAC the first time. Will be interesting... Not sure the Bishop really addresses such issues. I think separation is the path to preservation for Calvert. LOL. He sure did last time....Calvert got a ton of heat from Toledo for separating from SJCC. But the Diocese had previously given Calvert the right canonically to have their own school board and make their own decisions. A decision they later regretted (Blair was the bishop then). But in terms of today, it doesn't matter to me what they do. They should do what is best for their kids and school. We will see what happens. Personally, want to see them stay together with SJCC. Always felt that way. Always will. But times change.
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Post by wallacefan on Nov 28, 2019 8:44:21 GMT -5
I would think if Woodmore was poached away, the NBC would be looking at Northwood Sounds like Northwood was the ones approaching the SBC on the matter... Northwood had originally approached Calvert about creating a league with (what are now) the River Division schools about 8-9 years ago. So this has been a long time coming....not surprised.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Nov 28, 2019 8:58:00 GMT -5
Note - this topic is deserving of it's own thread separate from the 8-man discussion, so now it has one
Anyway, what are the odds of Oak Harbor going to the NBC if a spot opens up? I know that has been brought up before.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 28, 2019 9:47:22 GMT -5
Note - this topic is deserving of it's own thread separate from the 8-man discussion, so now it has one Anyway, what are the odds of Oak Harbor going to the NBC if a spot opens up? I know that has been brought up before. Oak Harbor and Maumee will be approached if the remaining NBC do not want to mix into the SBC Bay. My guess is the NBC will go that route first. Oak Harbor will listen and we all know what Maumee would do. I think it's a tough decision for Oak Harbor when it comes down to it. What they decide could have a big impact on the Bay division. I would be really worried if I was Huron, Edison and especially Margaretta. They do not have many options. PC would be fine in the Lake and Vermilion already is in everything but football. They wouldn't be happy albeit.
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Post by areafan1 on Nov 28, 2019 10:37:28 GMT -5
From things I heard is the NBC has been looking for other teams to replace Woodmore and/or Elmwood if they would leave. Maumee wants in the NBC but nobody in the NBC wants them. Oak Harbor, Liberty Benton and Van Buren is their choices whom they hope 2 would except.
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Post by Green Falcon on Nov 28, 2019 16:32:42 GMT -5
From things I heard is the NBC has been looking for other teams to replace Woodmore and/or Elmwood if they would leave. Maumee wants in the NBC but nobody in the NBC wants them. Oak Harbor, Liberty Benton and Van Buren is their choices whom they hope 2 would except. Liberty-Benton and Van Buren have been in the BVC since the 20s. That's not going to change
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Post by runawaytrain on Nov 28, 2019 16:45:03 GMT -5
The BVC may lose some dead weight in the league with 8-man coming....if the BVC was hurting Liberty-Benton come post season it would be a different story...but they seem to be doing just fine.
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Post by falcon87 on Nov 29, 2019 9:58:39 GMT -5
The BVC may lose some dead weight in the league with 8-man coming....if the BVC was hurting Liberty-Benton come post season it would be a different story...but they seem to be doing just fine. Keep waiting and they may find out it hurts them too late. Last second switches to 8-man by BVC schools could put them in a scheduling jam. If spots open in the NBC they must at least take a look.
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Post by broccolirob on Nov 29, 2019 10:36:10 GMT -5
If we're heading into another era of conference gymnastics, and if Willard and Oak Harbor are genuinely looking to the west and south for a new conference home, leaving Vermilion, Huron, Edison, and maybe Margaretta looking for options, why wouldn't they look to the east?
The new Lorain County League includes Firelands, Oberlin, Clearview, Wellington, Keystone, Black River, Brookside, and Columbia. For all but Margaretta, it's almost a wash in terms of travel. Granted, it's not a deep or strong conference for football, but it's a group of schools that are and should continue to be compatible in terms of size/class. That's no small consideration when you think about all of the scheduling challenges faced by area schools.
If two of the SBC four were to make such a move, you'd have a 10-team conference. If all four were to move, you could have a 12-team league with East and West divisions (with Firelands and Clearview joining the West). From a football scheduling standpoint you have 5 division games plus two or three rotating cross-division games each year.
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Post by sportsvideo on Nov 29, 2019 11:35:32 GMT -5
Huron will have a name change to their field as Mucci Farms takes over sponsorship of a new turf...
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Post by runawaytrain on Nov 29, 2019 14:26:06 GMT -5
I think I would bet on Liberty Benton. Both LB and VB have been talking to NBC. Their getting to big then the rest of the BVC, they dominate in most major boys and girls sports.Football, Volleyball, both boys and girls basketball and both boys and girls track. They all ready play some NBC schools in volleyball basketball, track, softball, baseball. Plus their the only D5 team in BVC. Pretty sure they love being the big fish in the small pond. The BVC can lose what, three teams and be back to eight? My guess is that they are praying Cory-Rawson, Vanlue and Arcadia go to 8-man.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2019 19:09:09 GMT -5
If we're heading into another era of conference gymnastics, and if Willard and Oak Harbor are genuinely looking to the west and south for a new conference home, leaving Vermilion, Huron, Edison, and maybe Margaretta looking for options, why wouldn't they look to the east? The new Lorain County League includes Firelands, Oberlin, Clearview, Wellington, Keystone, Black River, Brookside, and Columbia. For all but Margaretta, it's almost a wash in terms of travel. Granted, it's not a deep or strong conference for football, but it's a group of schools that are and should continue to be compatible in terms of size/class. That's no small consideration when you think about all of the scheduling challenges faced by area schools. If two of the SBC four were to make such a move, you'd have a 10-team conference. If all four were to move, you could have a 12-team league with East and West divisions (with Firelands and Clearview joining the West). From a football scheduling standpoint you have 5 division games plus two or three rotating cross-division games each year. Every time conference changes are discussed on here, the majority feel 8 is THE best number. The LCL won't want to expand to 10, especially not to the west. ALSO forced cross over games are disliked by most. Just the facts.
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Post by crimsonblooded on Nov 30, 2019 20:28:48 GMT -5
Football seems to be the only driving force. Might be time to make Football Conferences separate from other sports as far as the conference they belong to. Also having a couple conferences combine for sports like wrestling, similar to what the three SBC divisions do now, and possibly other sports. Especially for smaller schools anyhow to boost numbers for better competition. From my own opinion some sports are happier with their conference and they get dragged to where ever Football lands them. Oak Harbor Wrestling belongs in the SBC as far as I see it. Willard lady tennis is very happy in the SBC but you keep hearing how the school wants in the N10 that doesn’t even sponsor tennis. Getting close to time to do things differently.
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Post by kingmartinez on Dec 17, 2019 12:21:45 GMT -5
There's some bubbling directly under the surface that is going to cause more concern than non-conference schedules...
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 17, 2019 12:37:11 GMT -5
There's some bubbling directly under the surface that is going to cause more concern than non-conference schedules... Seems ominous
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Post by runawaytrain on Dec 17, 2019 16:09:48 GMT -5
There's some bubbling directly under the surface that is going to cause more concern than non-conference schedules... Care to expand on this?
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Post by runawaytrain on Dec 19, 2019 11:30:23 GMT -5
and crickets.....
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Post by kingmartinez on Dec 19, 2019 14:42:16 GMT -5
To summarize what we already know: the River schools are fearful of the 8-man situation. Danbury made the move. SMCC is inevitable, just not official and SJCC is likely a 1-2 year away. At the same time, the smaller schools in the NBC are looking to break free from that conference.
What's new? There seems to be some steam with a "new league" (small schools) while the SBC is looking to expand to solidify the River (and conference all together). It will be a race to who can arrange the pieces to best make it work the fastest. 1. SBC with some agreement with the NBC for crossovers (as a whole plus Northwood) or 2. if the new league gets its legs and the NBC successfully plucks Oak Harbor (along with a non-SBC school).
Should be fun!
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