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Post by jmorgret07 on Dec 12, 2019 13:11:53 GMT -5
Willard is off until this game while Norwalk still has a few games to go before then. But, it seems like conversation about this game is heating up. NCOAST pre-game meeting? LOL!
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Dec 12, 2019 13:40:10 GMT -5
Willard would have beat Trotwood-Madison in the D2 state finals last season, you heard it here first.
Onto the game. I saw Willard in the District Finals last year. I saw Norwalk two days ago. Comparably speaking, I imagine Baldridge on Willard is a different dynamic than what Shelby could simulate. I don't think Parrot is that much more/less different than Pugh, save for some ball-handling in favor of Parrot. Shelby definitely exposed Norwalk via turnovers. I have confidence that Shelby is better than anyone that Willard has played thus far this season, and I would chalk up that Norwalk/Shelby matchup as a coin flip. (I don't know who Upper returns from last year).
All apologies to Crimson, who once told me I'm only allowed to talk about Shelby.
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2019 14:46:58 GMT -5
Willard would have beat Trotwood-Madison in the D2 state finals last season, you heard it here first. Onto the game. I saw Willard in the District Finals last year. I saw Norwalk two days ago. Comparably speaking, I imagine Baldridge on Willard is a different dynamic than what Shelby could simulate. I don't think Parrot is that much more/less different than Pugh, save for some ball-handling in favor of Parrot. Shelby definitely exposed Norwalk via turnovers. I have confidence that Shelby is better than anyone that Willard has played thus far this season, and I would chalk up that Norwalk/Shelby matchup as a coin flip. (I don't know who Upper returns from last year). All apologies to Crimson, who once told me I'm only allowed to talk about Shelby. upper returned their 3 core player from last year in McCreary vent and young.so yes upper is a damn good team.i agree with your analysis of Willard beating trotwood.we were as athletic as anyone last year we just happen to run into a Coldwater team that MADE 12 out of 20 three pointers.very hard to come back from.coach grey is an excellent coach and I respect the hell out of him but Willard has to much for them to handle.if Norwalk presses us it will be dunks at the other end and the game will get out if hand.i look for coach grey to slow the pace down a lot.if I'm Willard I try pressing Norwalk. Chapin us a solid post player but outsidecif that I don't see anyone else hurting us. Go flashes.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Dec 12, 2019 17:54:39 GMT -5
Oh my god you are clowning yourself if you thought I was serious about Willard beating Trotwood Madison. Maybe Willard shouldn't have sucked so bad on defense to give up 20 three attempts against Coldwater? I bet Scarlett Johansson would've been married to you if she had gone to Willard High School too. Get a grip. My other analysis is truthful, but yeesh.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 12, 2019 18:08:04 GMT -5
12-21-19 will happen to be my 49th Birthday.
Willard is toast.
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2019 18:33:10 GMT -5
Oh my god you are clowning yourself if you thought I was serious about Willard beating Trotwood Madison. Maybe Willard shouldn't have sucked so bad on defense to give up 20 three attempts against Coldwater? I bet Scarlett Johansson would've been married to you if she had gone to Willard High School too. Get a grip. My other analysis is truthful, but yeesh. no clowns here but who is Scarlet Johnson.
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 12, 2019 18:40:17 GMT -5
Willard was no way no how gonna beat Trotwood last year. Coldwater exposed our defense to a degree, but you still gotta make the shots,,and they did. To be honest, outside of Upper, we've played the little sisters of the poor this year. Tough to say at this point how good we are or can be. I just hope the layoff doesn't hurt us too much.
Is it just me or does it seem like basketball is down in NC Ohio this year?
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2019 19:17:12 GMT -5
Willard was no way no how gonna beat Trotwood last year. Coldwater exposed our defense to a degree, but you still gotta make the shots,,and they did. To be honest, outside of Upper, we've played the little sisters of the poor this year. Tough to say at this point how good we are or can be. I just hope the layoff doesn't hurt us too much. Is it just me or does it seem like basketball is down in NC Ohio this year? hey buckeye I know we wouldn't of beat trotwood I'm just trolling the trolls but to your point I think there's about 3 to 4 solid teams in our area. Sandusky Willard south Central and Western reserve yep I said it. Western can absolutely shoot the three. It's early but I think they'll give South Central all they can handle.
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Post by portwalk on Dec 12, 2019 20:14:12 GMT -5
Will be a good test for both teams. Norwalk as always will be well coached, defend and be somewhat offensively challenged.
My hope is that the ball handling is improved by next weekend with a couple games this weekend. Norwalk will be physical and play hard.
As for b-ball in this area too early to tell. Heck I thought Fball was down some then Ty tigers made it to the finals and Clyde Won a title...
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Post by portwalk on Dec 12, 2019 21:06:22 GMT -5
Side note on this one it has been nearly a decade since Willard beat Norwalk (09-10). Norwalk is 15-0 vs the Flashes since then and they didn’t play last season...
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Post by truecrimson on Dec 13, 2019 6:55:07 GMT -5
Flashes will be tested by Norwalk and Shelby this year. What Willard has on their side is the size and athleticism. If they stay out of foul trouble both of these games should be double digit wins for Willard.
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Post by portwalk on Dec 13, 2019 8:09:32 GMT -5
Flashes will be tested by Norwalk and Shelby this year. What Willard has on their side is the size and athleticism. If they stay out of foul trouble both of these games should be double digit wins for Willard. Shelby is later in the year so I’ll stick with the Norwalk game. Related to size Norwalks front line goes 6’5, 6’4”, 6’2 with another 6’3/4” first off the bench. Both Lacey and Chaplin are both physical and pretty thick so I think a half court game favors Norwalk. Willard appears to be very athletic and should try to push pace IMO. Who did Willard lose from last year and I guess I’m trying to understand the large jump in optimism. So far they beat Upper on the road by 5. Maybe I’ll see in a week or so but I’d take Norwalk getting double digits at this point.
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 13, 2019 8:13:02 GMT -5
Until Willard can prove they can beat Norwalk, Norwalk is the favorite.
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Post by truecrimson on Dec 13, 2019 8:18:34 GMT -5
Flashes will be tested by Norwalk and Shelby this year. What Willard has on their side is the size and athleticism. If they stay out of foul trouble both of these games should be double digit wins for Willard. Shelby is later in the year so I’ll stick with the Norwalk game. Related to size Norwalks front line goes 6’5, 6’4”, 6’2 with another 6’3/4” first off the bench. Both Lacey and Chaplin are both physical and pretty thick so I think a half court game favors Norwalk. Willard appears to be very athletic and should try to push pace IMO. Who did Willard lose from last year and I guess I’m trying to understand the large jump in optimism. So far they beat Upper on the road by 5. Maybe I’ll see in a week or so but I’d take Norwalk getting double digits at this point. They lost two starters and a couple bench players from last year. It hurt them a little but have some kids playing good right now that didn't get much time last year. Size wise they match up with Willard, very similar in size with the exception of Willard's 6'8" player. There is no doubt the Norwalk's coach will have a game plan and that will be to slow it down to a snail's pace and throw it inside. Willard will push because that is where they are dangerous. They have tested the 1-3-1 this year and I could see them having some success at it with Norwalk. I think Willard pulls away second half, not a blowout by any means but wins down the stretch.
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Post by crimson5 on Dec 13, 2019 10:22:45 GMT -5
Flashes will be tested by Norwalk and Shelby this year. What Willard has on their side is the size and athleticism. If they stay out of foul trouble both of these games should be double digit wins for Willard. Shelby is later in the year so I’ll stick with the Norwalk game. Related to size Norwalks front line goes 6’5, 6’4”, 6’2 with another 6’3/4” first off the bench. Both Lacey and Chaplin are both physical and pretty thick so I think a half court game favors Norwalk. Willard appears to be very athletic and should try to push pace IMO. Who did Willard lose from last year and I guess I’m trying to understand the large jump in optimism. So far they beat Upper on the road by 5. Maybe I’ll see in a week or so but I’d take Norwalk getting double digits at this point. I think Norwalk will be solid this year....not great, but solid. Yes, we beat Upper on the road by 5. I think Upper is more talented than Norwalk. Not better Coached, just more talented. I saw Norwalk play twice last year..... both times were against Columbian.....at Tiffin and tourney game in Willard. Columbian must have been a bad match up for Norwalk, because Norwalk looked bad in both games. The only player from Norwalk that impressed me was Haraway. He was a beast. So, my opinion of Norwalk is somewhat skewed by those 2 games. I think if both teams play to their potential, Willard wins by 15. Hands down, we have better athletes and more basketball talented athletes. Norwalk should have problems guarding Baldridge on the perimeter. I think he is the key to our success this year. Having said that, there are a few things that scare the hell outta me when playing at Norwalk, or any solid team for that matter. First is foul trouble....especially Baldridge. The game will change substantially if he's not on the court. Secondly is depth in general if 2 or more players get in foul trouble. The bench is being developed, but still a bit of a drop off after the first six guys. Lastly is Grey and his coaching ability, how he always manages to get his team to rise to the occasion. Willard has not shot the ball particularly well from the perimeter this year. Cooper started to find his shot a little in the last game. If that trend continues, it could be a game changer as well. He's capable of banging 7 or 8 in a row at any time. End of the day, I think Willard leaves Norwalk with a nice win over a solid Norwalk team....W64 N50.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Dec 13, 2019 11:36:58 GMT -5
12-21-19 will happen to be my 49th Birthday. Willard is toast. You're old...
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Post by portwalk on Dec 13, 2019 12:26:59 GMT -5
Shelby is later in the year so I’ll stick with the Norwalk game. Related to size Norwalks front line goes 6’5, 6’4”, 6’2 with another 6’3/4” first off the bench. Both Lacey and Chaplin are both physical and pretty thick so I think a half court game favors Norwalk. Willard appears to be very athletic and should try to push pace IMO. Who did Willard lose from last year and I guess I’m trying to understand the large jump in optimism. So far they beat Upper on the road by 5. Maybe I’ll see in a week or so but I’d take Norwalk getting double digits at this point. I think Norwalk will be solid this year....not great, but solid. Yes, we beat Upper on the road by 5. I think Upper is more talented than Norwalk. Not better Coached, just more talented. I saw Norwalk play twice last year..... both times were against Columbian.....at Tiffin and tourney game in Willard. Columbian must have been a bad match up for Norwalk, because Norwalk looked bad in both games. The only player from Norwalk that impressed me was Haraway. He was a beast. So, my opinion of Norwalk is somewhat skewed by those 2 games. I think if both teams play to their potential, Willard wins by 15. Hands down, we have better athletes and more basketball talented athletes. Norwalk should have problems guarding Baldridge on the perimeter. I think he is the key to our success this year. Having said that, there are a few things that scare the hell outta me when playing at Norwalk, or any solid team for that matter. First is foul trouble....especially Baldridge. The game will change substantially if he's not on the court. Secondly is depth in general if 2 or more players get in foul trouble. The bench is being developed, but still a bit of a drop off after the first six guys. Lastly is Grey and his coaching ability, how he always manages to get his team to rise to the occasion. Willard has not shot the ball particularly well from the perimeter this year. Cooper started to find his shot a little in the last game. If that trend continues, it could be a game changer as well. He's capable of banging 7 or 8 in a row at any time. End of the day, I think Willard leaves Norwalk with a nice win over a solid Norwalk team....W64 N50. Going back to last season TC was not the best barometer of NHS. They beat them 3 times once without Haraway and the other two with both of which they were not stellar. However the Flashes last season had their biggest wins vs Upper and Vermilion both of which beat WHS prior. Norwalk played Vermilion in a district final and rolled pretty easily. Also Willards other wins were vs sisters of the poor. As for Upper last year and this year I disagree while Norwalk was beating teams like Lex who pounded Upper they were falling to N10 schools. I like your optimism however I would take 13 points and Norwalk at home vs nearly anyone especially a Willard team.
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Post by dude on Dec 13, 2019 13:15:36 GMT -5
Going back to last season TC was not the best barometer of NHS. They beat them 3 times once without Haraway and the other two with both of which they were not stellar. However the Flashes last season had their biggest wins vs Upper and Vermilion both of which beat WHS prior. Norwalk played Vermilion in a district final and rolled pretty easily. Also Willards other wins were vs sisters of the poor. As for Upper last year and this year I disagree while Norwalk was beating teams like Lex who pounded Upper they were falling to N10 schools. I like your optimism however I would take 13 points and Norwalk at home vs nearly anyone especially a Willard team. Last year Norwalk had the best player in the area. This year they do not.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 13, 2019 15:56:01 GMT -5
12-21-19 will happen to be my 49th Birthday. Willard is toast. You're old... My 16, 13, and 11 year old tell me all the time. I guess what I should have said I will be 30 for the 19th consecutive year. Willard is still toast.
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 13, 2019 21:15:27 GMT -5
I'm going with Willard by 8-12 points.
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Post by portwalk on Dec 14, 2019 11:24:04 GMT -5
How does this team compare with the Flashes solid teams of the past led by Langhurst, Dials, Robinson and Lillo etc.. ? Penciled in to a District title and an undefeated season (or close to it) by most of the faithful...
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Post by crimson5 on Dec 14, 2019 11:48:40 GMT -5
How does this team compare with the Flashes solid teams of the past led by Langhurst, Dials, Robinson and Lillo etc.. ? Penciled in to a District title and an undefeated season (or close to it) by most of the faithful... IMO, although we have 2 very good players in Baldridge and Parrot, they are not on the level of the players you mentioned. It is also very early in the season to make that assessment. If I were comparing overall talent of those teams to this team, this team is a notch or 2, maybe 3 behind. However, this team has it's own strengths and it remains to be seen how good they can be.
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Post by portwalk on Dec 14, 2019 12:36:01 GMT -5
How does this team compare with the Flashes solid teams of the past led by Langhurst, Dials, Robinson and Lillo etc.. ? Penciled in to a District title and an undefeated season (or close to it) by most of the faithful... IMO, although we have 2 very good players in Baldridge and Parrot, they are not on the level of the players you mentioned. It is also very early in the season to make that assessment. If I were comparing overall talent of those teams to this team, this team is a notch or 2, maybe 3 behind. However, this team has it's own strengths and it remains to be seen how good they can be. Good assessment
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 14, 2019 19:28:46 GMT -5
I think the enrollment being what is, and being D3 for the time being, getting to the District Finals is quite doable this year. D3 in the area just isn’t that tough this year. D2 is significantly tougher imo. That being said, I also think we can certainly play with any of the D2’s this year also. But in a tourney setting the D2 will be a gauntlet from start of sectionals to the District Final.
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Post by bsports on Dec 14, 2019 19:54:23 GMT -5
I would be very surprised if Norwalk wins. Looking at the Flashes schedule I don't see them getting beat. Norwalk lost too much with Haraway graduating. Just don't replace that kind of talent. Willard looking good in an area where quality boys basketball continues to drop. Unless you're related to someone on a team who would you actually want to go watch? Maybe someone will step up as the season progresses but I don't have any games to circle on the calendar. Oh, and as far as Willard teams of the past I'm still going with a Dials and Fey team - even over this year's team.
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Post by portwalk on Dec 14, 2019 21:08:30 GMT -5
I would be very surprised if Norwalk wins. Looking at the Flashes schedule I don't see them getting beat. Norwalk lost too much with Haraway graduating. Just don't replace that kind of talent. Willard looking good in an area where quality boys basketball continues to drop. Unless you're related to someone on a team who would you actually want to go watch? Maybe someone will step up as the season progresses but I don't have any games to circle on the calendar. Oh, and as far as Willard teams of the past I'm still going with a Dials and Fey team - even over this year's team. Seeing that Dials and Fey ended up in CBus in D2 I would think they might be a rung above 😵
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Post by dude on Dec 15, 2019 8:53:30 GMT -5
Looking at the Flashes schedule I don't see them getting beat.
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Post by sportsvideo on Dec 15, 2019 12:30:47 GMT -5
I would be very surprised if Norwalk wins. Looking at the Flashes schedule I don't see them getting beat. Norwalk lost too much with Haraway graduating. Just don't replace that kind of talent. Willard looking good in an area where quality boys basketball continues to drop. Unless you're related to someone on a team who would you actually want to go watch? Maybe someone will step up as the season progresses but I don't have any games to circle on the calendar. Oh, and as far as Willard teams of the past I'm still going with a Dials and Fey team - even over this year's team. well obviously you can't turn the ball over and give them layups! but put a good zone defense on them..and hope their outside shooting is off..and you always have a chance.....basketball unlike most sports is a game of matchups...
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Post by portwalk on Dec 15, 2019 20:37:09 GMT -5
Sounds like Norwalk could be a little thin for this one next Saturday
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Post by sportsvideo on Dec 15, 2019 22:12:04 GMT -5
Sounds like Norwalk could be a little thin for this one next Saturday someone hurt??
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