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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 29, 2020 23:09:58 GMT -5
Huh? Matters alot to those 4 teams and their fan bases. Pretty stupid post. sarcasm isn’t your thing There is a way to show sarcasm ---> ....that way one can't use the word as a crutch after the fact.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 29, 2020 23:47:11 GMT -5
Shaver had quite a stat line against Lex. 10 points, 5 boards, 5 assists, 6 steals.
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Post by dude on Mar 1, 2020 0:50:22 GMT -5
The clock was on 0 with the ball in his hand. However in real time he was barely beginning to lay the ball up when the buzzer clearly went off and for that no slow motion or freeze frame was needed. So based on that shouldn’t it be waved off or at a minimum discussed Little Bucyrus gym, rowdy crowd. Do you think the buzzer was audible? When have you ever seen an officiating crew conference after a final buzzer? They’re in the locker with police escort. A few of that crew is past their prime. Not saying it had a bearing on the game but they should not be calling tournament games,
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 1, 2020 1:21:01 GMT -5
I have since been in communication with two officials, one of whom spoke with the official who made the call.🙂 It was really fascinating to hear how officials process things in their minds, eyes, and ears in the few seconds they have to make decisions. The responsibilities are shared and prioritized depending on where the play happens on the floor. If they're primarily responsible for the play, then they're taught to stay on it and listen for the horn. Probably the same with the official on the baseline. The official furthest back up the floor should have helped with the clock and and horn since he was least responsible for the play itself and therefore could try to see both. Officials have to use the tools that are available to them. Having those tools - the clock and horn - appearing to be in conflict with each other makes a tight situation that much more complicated. In that case, there wasn't anything present to definitely say the shot wasn't in time. You have to stay with the call in that case. If this is the case who in the hell lets them play a tournament game in a gym where the horn and clock are out of sync, that is just plain stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 9:33:42 GMT -5
Thank you mr.steel for that video, As a neutral fan, That was definitely & More than obviously late in real time, Wow. I'll bet those were the same 3 officials that did the Willard @ Margaretta game in Castalia. usramfan needs to stay in contact with them, and advise them they need better training, You'd only be helping them. That was bad.
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Post by usramfan on Mar 1, 2020 9:41:07 GMT -5
I have since been in communication with two officials, one of whom spoke with the official who made the call.🙂 It was really fascinating to hear how officials process things in their minds, eyes, and ears in the few seconds they have to make decisions. The responsibilities are shared and prioritized depending on where the play happens on the floor. If they're primarily responsible for the play, then they're taught to stay on it and listen for the horn. Probably the same with the official on the baseline. The official furthest back up the floor should have helped with the clock and and horn since he was least responsible for the play itself and therefore could try to see both. Officials have to use the tools that are available to them. Having those tools - the clock and horn - appearing to be in conflict with each other makes a tight situation that much more complicated. In that case, there wasn't anything present to definitely say the shot wasn't in time. You have to stay with the call in that case. If this is the case who in the hell lets them play a tournament game in a gym where the horn and clock are out of sync, that is just plain stupid. I've never been fond of the way that school does business. Upper's locker room was still locked when the team arrived and the cheerleaders stood around for several minutes before anyone showed them where to go. The one guy who helps set up the gym tried to say the players couldn't be on the floor at all before they started the pregame clock. And when Mansfield got the rebound of Young's missed FT at the end of the 1st OT, the timer initially took it upon himself to put time back on the clock - to the time it showed while Young was shooting the FTs.
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Post by dude on Mar 2, 2020 15:26:09 GMT -5
Thank you mr.steel for that video, As a neutral fan, That was definitely & More than obviously late in real time, Wow. I'll bet those were the same 3 officials that did the Willard @ Margaretta game in Castalia. usramfan needs to stay in contact with them, and advise them they need better training, You'd only be helping them. That was bad. Two of those officials are way past the training stage and closer to the get the HE\_\_ out stage.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Mar 3, 2020 13:42:01 GMT -5
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 4, 2020 18:30:07 GMT -5
Upper -12 Ontario-10 after 1
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Post by portwalk on Mar 4, 2020 18:37:51 GMT -5
19-12 Upper
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 4, 2020 18:45:24 GMT -5
Upper-26 Ontario-15. Half
Ontario can’t buy a basket. Upper not really playing that good.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 4, 2020 18:49:24 GMT -5
Upper-26 Ontario-15. Half Ontario can’t buy a basket. Upper not really playing that good. Clywalks dream coming true...
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 4, 2020 19:06:27 GMT -5
Upper-37 Ontario-25 end of 3
Ontario shooting woes continue. Upper keeps turning it over and the Warriors cant score.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 4, 2020 19:26:40 GMT -5
51-45 with 16 seconds left
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 4, 2020 19:29:26 GMT -5
Upper-54 Ontario-45 Final
Ontario decides to play late in the 4th
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Post by portwalk on Mar 4, 2020 19:30:26 GMT -5
Halfway there
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Post by royalballdad on Mar 4, 2020 19:56:48 GMT -5
Maybe N10 isn’t as bad a league (at least at the top) as some on this forum wants to think. This Upper team without 2 starters and a key sub plus a starter at only 70% wins again and moves on to District Champ game. Just like with Crawford last night vs Willard no one gave either N10 team a chance to win. Both did... and now both are one more win from a District Championship. Congratulations to Upper & Crawford - keep it going!
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Post by royalballdad on Mar 4, 2020 20:00:30 GMT -5
Upper-26 Ontario-15. Half Ontario can’t buy a basket. Upper not really playing that good. Upper apparently playing good enough to win by 9. Maybe Ontario not shooting it well because of Upper’s defense. Or Upper just has more players who can handle the pressure of a big game on a big stage. Winning this time of the season is by players making plays under the pressure of playing in a District final.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 4, 2020 20:06:30 GMT -5
I'm rooting for Upper because of the adversity they faced here at the end. Sure speaks volumes for their coach.
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 4, 2020 20:08:45 GMT -5
Upper-26 Ontario-15. Half Ontario can’t buy a basket. Upper not really playing that good. Upper apparently playing good enough to win by 9. Maybe Ontario not shooting it well because of Upper’s defense. Or Upper just has more players who can handle the pressure of a big game on a big stage. Winning this time of the season is by players making plays under the pressure of playing in a District final. No. It was more an Ontario loss than it was an Upper win. Upper kept giving the ball away, but Ontario just couldn't make a bucket. Ontario got the wide open looks that they wanted. Upper is not the team they were earlier this year. Upper moves on. Ontario bows out at 17-7
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Post by royalballdad on Mar 4, 2020 20:16:44 GMT -5
Mrsteel you are CORRECT... it was an Ontario loss. Uppers players made the plays to win. Thus Upper WON. Don’t try to play the shoulda coulda woulda - the N10 team WON!
Heck they start a player who 3 games ago was a JV player and saw only mop up varsity minutes. Says a lot about that player, the team and coaching staff.
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Post by juju on Mar 4, 2020 20:20:26 GMT -5
Upper apparently playing good enough to win by 9. Maybe Ontario not shooting it well because of Upper’s defense. Or Upper just has more players who can handle the pressure of a big game on a big stage. Winning this time of the season is by players making plays under the pressure of playing in a District final. No. It was more an Ontario loss than it was an Upper win. Upper kept giving the ball away, but Ontario just couldn't make a bucket. Ontario got the wide open looks that they wanted. Upper is not the team they were earlier this year. Upper moves on. Ontario bows out at 17-7 This is not on Ontario loss, they made some tough 3’s in the face of upper defenders and also missed some, different between upper and Ontario is upper is good enough to get to the basket and get layups, Ontario could not do that, thus making them shoot contested 3’s. Don’t try and take away the fact upper played a great game defensively and offensively. And royalballdad, it’s nice to see u supporting the N10, glad we could all come togther and support the whole league
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 4, 2020 20:22:31 GMT -5
Mrsteel you are CORRECT... it was an Ontario loss. Uppers players made the plays to win. Thus Upper WON. Don’t try to play the shoulda coulda woulda - the N10 team WON! Heck they start a player who 3 games ago was a JV player and saw only mop up varsity minutes. Says a lot about that player, the team and coaching staff. Yes uppers kids are scrapping, they still are not the team they were earlier. THAT team would of won the last 2 easily. Upper better watch it or the N10 mafia will move them out too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 20:39:20 GMT -5
Mrsteel you are CORRECT... it was an Ontario loss. Uppers players made the plays to win. Thus Upper WON. Don’t try to play the shoulda coulda woulda - the N10 team WON! Heck they start a player who 3 games ago was a JV player and saw only mop up varsity minutes. Says a lot about that player, the team and coaching staff. Yes uppers kids are scrapping, they still are not the team they were earlier. THAT team would of won the last 2 easily. Upper better watch it or the N10 mafia will move them out too. You’re really dropping some impressive insight figuring out a team that’s lost 3 players isn’t as good, yet it was good enough to beat Ontario. Also pretty interesting the “weak” N-10 managed to get 2 teams to district finals.
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Post by utsherman on Mar 4, 2020 20:43:28 GMT -5
Shelby 39 Norwalk 33 Half
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 4, 2020 20:47:13 GMT -5
Yes uppers kids are scrapping, they still are not the team they were earlier. THAT team would of won the last 2 easily. Upper better watch it or the N10 mafia will move them out too. You’re really dropping some impressive insight figuring out a team that’s lost 3 players isn’t as good, yet it was good enough to beat Ontario. Also pretty interesting the “weak” N-10 managed to get 2 teams to district finals. Yep, they beat a not very good Ontario. YEAH for them. Its not like they went through 2 power houses.
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Post by royalballdad on Mar 4, 2020 20:48:13 GMT -5
Just was shown on social media. More bad news for Upper. The PG McCreary for Upper at some point during the game tonight broke a finger. Now questionable for Saturday.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2020 21:03:07 GMT -5
Upper-26 Ontario-15. Half Ontario can’t buy a basket. Upper not really playing that good. Upper apparently playing good enough to win by 9. Maybe Ontario not shooting it well because of Upper’s defense. Or Upper just has more players who can handle the pressure of a big game on a big stage. Winning this time of the season is by players making plays under the pressure of playing in a District final. The defense played against Coburn was nothing special. He was 2 of 15 on open jumpers, after scoring 27 against Lex in the Sectional Final game. Those things happen. The rest of the team played well enough to win this game. Upper was a MUCH more physical team than slightly built Ontario players. The type of team that has given Ontario trouble this year. They only lose one player of any worth. The 4 returning starters don't have to improve their shooting or ball handling. All they need to do is put on 10-20 pounds in the off season. The credit for how Upper has played the last 2 games missing 3 starters begins with Upper's staff.
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Post by portwalk on Mar 4, 2020 21:05:06 GMT -5
43-41,SHS in the 3rd
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2020 21:07:00 GMT -5
You’re really dropping some impressive insight figuring out a team that’s lost 3 players isn’t as good, yet it was good enough to beat Ontario. Also pretty interesting the “weak” N-10 managed to get 2 teams to district finals. Yep, they beat a not very good Ontario. YEAH for them. Its not like they went through 2 power houses. Ontario won 17 games this year, making them an "average" team by Balogh standards.
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