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Post by bballguy on Jan 14, 2020 16:17:41 GMT -5
Under Winslow Upper is 107-25 in the regular season and 6-6 in the Post season with NO regional appearances... Hard to believe with all the talent he's had. Another talent rich team this year, does the outcome change this year? Time will tell.
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Post by dude on Jan 14, 2020 16:35:57 GMT -5
Under Winslow Upper is 107-25 in the regular season and 6-6 in the Post season with NO regional appearances... Hard to believe with all the talent he's had. Another talent rich team this year, does the outcome change this year? Time will tell. Couldn't we say that he is the reason for the talent. Had it not been for him and his style of play some of his players may have been unknown.
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Post by sportsvideo on Jan 14, 2020 21:54:34 GMT -5
You are correct, our words or picks mean nothing. I was just asking a question of a teams projected placement by a poster. I was not saying it was wrong or incorrect. I was looking for verification or understanding of their thoughts. In my eyes the comment that everyone else shouldn't be is not enough. I was simply asking why should they? we are on the same page..and i say this all the time during tournament seedings... don't care if you are 20-2 if the 16-6 team plays a tougher schedule with more meaningful wins i am putting them #1 seed. so i look at upper sandusky and i am going to break it down.. 1 loss to a good willard team... a solid win over shelby a win over a 7-4 lexington team...so OK i see a couple good wins.. so far.. 1 loss.. i'd seed them high... would i seed anyone higher? not at the present. so who would i give #2 to? not sure.. roll the dice on that..because nobody stands out right now..
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Post by sportsvideo on Jan 19, 2020 7:28:02 GMT -5
if we just go by records it looks like this
#1 Upper 13-1 #2 shelby 11-1 #3 huron 10-2 #4 ontario 9-4 #5 Lex. 8-5 #6 norwalk 8-5 #7 C. Fork 7-8 #8 man sr 4-5 #9 edison 4-8 #10 galion 2-11 #11 Verm. 0-13
i do thank my lucky stars for whatever reason the district picked bellevue to go to lake district and not huron.. because the lake with oak harbor, sandusky , rossford, rogers ect.. are you kidding me? ouch.
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Post by dude on Jan 19, 2020 9:29:19 GMT -5
if we just go by records it looks like this #1 Upper 13-1 #2 shelby 11-1 #3 huron 10-2 #4 ontario 9-4 #5 Lex. 8-5 #6 norwalk 8-5 #7 C. Fork 7-8 #8 man sr 4-5 #9 edison 4-8 #10 galion 2-11 #11 Verm. 0-13 i do thank my lucky stars for whatever reason the district picked bellevue to go to lake district and not huron.. because the lake with oak harbor, sandusky , rossford, rogers ect.. are you kidding me? ouch. There is little chance this will go by record only if voted with honest thoughts. I know some coaches will vote a team low but tell you that would never want to play them. If that is the case shouldn't you vote them high? Ontario loses to a D4 team do they get the #4? Lex lost the Clear Fork twice so do they get a spot 2 places higher? List Norwalk's significant win? to be ranked above Clear Fork and Mansfield? All could have the questions asked, who is your significant win or game?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 9:41:45 GMT -5
if we just go by records it looks like this #1 Upper 13-1 #2 shelby 11-1 #3 huron 10-2 #4 ontario 9-4 #5 Lex. 8-5 #6 norwalk 8-5 #7 C. Fork 7-8 #8 man sr 4-5 #9 edison 4-8 #10 galion 2-11 #11 Verm. 0-13 i do thank my lucky stars for whatever reason the district picked bellevue to go to lake district and not huron.. because the lake with oak harbor, sandusky , rossford, rogers ect.. are you kidding me? ouch. There is little chance this will go by record only if voted with honest thoughts. I know some coaches will vote a team low but tell you that would never want to play them. If that is the case shouldn't you vote them high? Ontario loses to a D4 team do they get the #4? Lex lost the Clear Fork twice so do they get a spot 2 places higher? List Norwalk's significant win? to be ranked above Clear Fork and Mansfield? All could have the questions asked, who is your significant win or game? With only 11 schools that means there will be 5 byes to the sectional finals instead of the usual 4. One sectional final game will be set. Might be tempting for a coach to jump in one of those spots and have a full week to prepare for 1 opponent. Also in this format it’s actually better to be the #3 seed. You can pick which side to go to, assuming the 2 seed goes away from the 1
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Post by sportsvideo on Jan 19, 2020 10:28:03 GMT -5
if we just go by records it looks like this #1 Upper 13-1 #2 shelby 11-1 #3 huron 10-2 #4 ontario 9-4 #5 Lex. 8-5 #6 norwalk 8-5 #7 C. Fork 7-8 #8 man sr 4-5 #9 edison 4-8 #10 galion 2-11 #11 Verm. 0-13 i do thank my lucky stars for whatever reason the district picked bellevue to go to lake district and not huron.. because the lake with oak harbor, sandusky , rossford, rogers ect.. are you kidding me? ouch. There is little chance this will go by record only if voted with honest thoughts. I know some coaches will vote a team low but tell you that would never want to play them. If that is the case shouldn't you vote them high? Ontario loses to a D4 team do they get the #4? Lex lost the Clear Fork twice so do they get a spot 2 places higher? List Norwalk's significant win? to be ranked above Clear Fork and Mansfield? All could have the questions asked, who is your significant win or game? really doesn't matter teams 1-6 on this list should not fear any of the top 6 teams.. if you look at the scores they all seem pretty even ..
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 19, 2020 16:35:21 GMT -5
Clear Fork beats Lex twice, Lex beat Ontario by 10, Ontario beat Clear Fork by 19, Ontario and Norwalk both only lose by 2 to 11-1 Shelby at their place. A conundrum.
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Post by dude on Jan 19, 2020 19:33:17 GMT -5
There is little chance this will go by record only if voted with honest thoughts. I know some coaches will vote a team low but tell you that would never want to play them. If that is the case shouldn't you vote them high? Ontario loses to a D4 team do they get the #4? Lex lost the Clear Fork twice so do they get a spot 2 places higher? List Norwalk's significant win? to be ranked above Clear Fork and Mansfield? All could have the questions asked, who is your significant win or game? really doesn't matter teams 1-6 on this list should not fear any of the top 6 teams.. if you look at the scores they all seem pretty even .. 1 and 2 are set at this time. 3-6 or 7 will all take what ever they can get as you are probably correct in that there is not fear.
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Post by sportsvideo on Jan 19, 2020 20:05:49 GMT -5
really doesn't matter teams 1-6 on this list should not fear any of the top 6 teams.. if you look at the scores they all seem pretty even .. 1 and 2 are set at this time. 3-6 or 7 will all take what ever they can get as you are probably correct in that there is not fear. it’s really not going to matter. You get by the first one then there is no real advantage for any of them.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 19, 2020 20:50:40 GMT -5
How often has the #1 seed in the Ashland/Mansfield District gone through and won the district in the past decade? Outside of Norwalk's title run, I can't recall it happening with great frequency. I could be proven wrong though.
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Post by dude on Jan 19, 2020 21:17:40 GMT -5
How often has the #1 seed in the Ashland/Mansfield District gone through and won the district in the past decade? Outside of Norwalk's title run, I can't recall it happening with great frequency. I could be proven wrong though. Norwalk was the #2 seed when they won their state title but they were the #1 seed last year when they won district.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 19, 2020 22:02:47 GMT -5
I did some digging. Here are District Final results. My hypothesis wasn't correct. Turns out, being a top four seed is very useful for advancing in the tournament.
For these first few years, sectionals were individually ranked:
2010-11: #3 Madison over #1 Shelby (sectional rankings used) 2011-12: #1 Elida over #1 Lexington (sectional rankings used) 2012-13: #1 Lima Bath over #2 Elida (sectional rankings used) 2013-14: #2 Norwalk over #1 Perkins (sectional rankings used)
From this point on, Districts were ranked on a District-wide basis.
2014-15: #2 Sandusky over #1 Ontario (#1, #2, #3, and #4 seeds all advanced to Districts) 2015-16: #1 Lexington over #3 Sandusky (#1, #2, #3, #5 seeds in Districts) 2016-17: #1 Sandusky over #2 Lexington (#1, #2, #4, #6 seeds in Districts) 2017-18: #3 Lexington over #4 Sandusky (#1, #2, #3, #4 seeds in Districts) 2018-19: #1 Norwalk over #3 Vermilion (#1, #3, #4, #8 seeds in Districts)
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Post by 419bossman on Jan 20, 2020 19:38:47 GMT -5
Here are the standings three weeks before the draw 1. Upper Sandusky 13-1 2. Shelby 11-1 3. Huron 10-2 4. Ontario 9-4 5. Lexington 8-5 6. Norwalk 8-5 7. Clear Fork 7-8 8. Mansfield Sr 4-6 9. Edison 4-7 10. Galion 2-11 11. Vermillion 0-13
Upper pretty much has the edge for the top seed, unless they lose a bunch of games. Seeds 2-8 could change a lot in the next few weeks. But I think it could be a wide open district with many good teams.
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Post by dude on Jan 20, 2020 23:29:50 GMT -5
Here are the standings three weeks before the draw 1. Upper Sandusky 13-1 2. Shelby 11-1 3. Huron 10-2 4. Ontario 9-4 5. Lexington 8-5 6. Norwalk 8-5 7. Clear Fork 7-8 8. Mansfield Sr 4-6 9. Edison 4-7 10. Galion 2-11 11. Vermillion 0-13 Upper pretty much has the edge for the top seed, unless they lose a bunch of games. Seeds 2-8 could change a lot in the next few weeks. But I think it could be a wide open district with many good teams. IMO from now until the seeding weekend using your current positions. 1.Upper should not lose a game before seeding. 18-1 2. Shelby could be in in the same boat but could also lose 2-3. 15-3 3. Huron at worst should be 12-5 by seeding. 4. Ontario should handle their games. 13-6 5. Lexington at Sandusky and Norwalk could move them up or down. 12-7 6. Norwalk only a couple gimmes but no signature wins yet. 10-9 7. Clear Fork needs to be consistent. 10-10 8. Mansfield is still finding their way but who will want to play them. 7-10 9. Edison wanting back in D3. 6-12 10. Galion not change. 4-15 11. Vermilion has seen much better days. 2-18
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 21, 2020 19:02:05 GMT -5
What 2 games are projected that Shelby will lose by seed meeting?
What 2 games are projected that Huron will lose by seed meeting?
If Ontario "handles their games" they would be 15-4 at seed meeting.
Lexington also has to play Mansfield Sr before seed meeting.
Norwalk is only going to win 2 games between now and seed meeting?
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Post by 419bossman on Jan 21, 2020 23:25:15 GMT -5
This is what everyone has and what I think will happen.
Upper- Carey, Ridgedale, Buckeye Central, Seneca East, Bucyrus 5-0
Shelby- Harding, Bellevue, Willard, Ashland, River Valley, Clear Fork 4-2
Huron- Port Clinton, Norwalk, Vermillion, Oak Harbor, Clyde 3-2
Ontario- River Valley, Clear Fork, Norwalk, Galion, Pleasant, Harding 5-1
Norwalk- South Central, Ontario, Vermillion, Port Clinton, Sandusky, Lexington 4-2
Lexington- West Holmes, Sandusky, Ashland, Madison, Mansfield, Norwalk 4-2
Mansfield- Wooster, Mt. Vernon, Sandusky, West Holmes, Lexington, Lima Senior 2-4
Clear Fork- Galion, Ontario, Pleasant, Harding, Shelby 2-3
Edison- Calvert, Margaretta, Clyde, Firelands, Willard, South Central 2-4
Galion- Clear Fork, Madison, Seneca East, Ontario, Lucas, Pleasant 1-5
Vermillion- Elyria, Bellevue, Firelands, Norwalk, Huron, Clyde, Tiffin 1-6
These are just guesses, anything could happen in any of these games but I think the top four could very well be set.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 23, 2020 10:18:11 GMT -5
1. Upper Sandusky 2. Shelby 3. Huron 4. Lexington 5. Ontario 6. Norwalk 7. Clear Fork 8. Mansfield Senior 9. Edison 10. Galion 11. Vermilion
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Post by dude on Jan 23, 2020 10:49:17 GMT -5
1. Upper Sandusky 2. Shelby 3. Huron 4. Lexington 5. Ontario 6. Norwalk 7. Clear Fork 8. Mansfield Senior 9. Edison 10. Galion 11. Vermilion Many changes could be ahead with some of the games yet to play before brackets are set.
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Post by dude on Jan 23, 2020 11:18:34 GMT -5
Upper- Carey, Ridgedale, Buckeye Central, Seneca East, Bucyrus 5-0 Shelby- Harding, Bellevue, Willard, Ashland, River Valley, Clear Fork 4-2 Huron- Port Clinton, Norwalk, Vermillion, Oak Harbor, Clyde 3-2 Ontario- River Valley, Clear Fork, Norwalk, Galion, Pleasant, Harding 5-1 Norwalk- South Central, Ontario, Vermillion, Port Clinton, Sandusky, Lexington 4-2 Lexington- West Holmes, Sandusky, Ashland, Madison, Mansfield, Norwalk 4-2 Mansfield- Wooster, Mt. Vernon, Sandusky, West Holmes, Lexington, Lima Senior 2-4 Clear Fork- Galion, Ontario, Pleasant, Harding, Shelby 2-3 Edison- Calvert, Margaretta, Clyde, Firelands, Willard, South Central 2-4 Galion- Clear Fork, Madison, Seneca East, Ontario, Lucas, Pleasant 1-5 Vermillion- Elyria, Bellevue, Firelands, Norwalk, Huron, Clyde, Tiffin 1-6 These are just guesses, anything could happen in any of these games but I think the top four could very well be set. Games that are direct factors to teams wanting to gain spots in seeding.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 24, 2020 17:25:52 GMT -5
All that we know is looking at Uppers powder puff schedule from here on out they WILL win out and be the #1 seed with the wins they have to date...
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 25, 2020 8:58:30 GMT -5
I'm calling it U vs H in the District Final Could go either way, slight advantage U.
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Post by sportsvideo on Jan 25, 2020 9:01:20 GMT -5
I'm calling it U vs H in the District Final Could go either way, slight advantage U. shelby has a couple monster games coming up with willard and ashland
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Post by portwalk on Jan 25, 2020 9:07:13 GMT -5
I'm calling it U vs H in the District Final Could go either way, slight advantage U. shelby has a couple monster games coming up with willard and ashland Ashland is 4-2 including a 29 pt win over Mansfield with their only losses coming to 2 D1 opponents since Buckeye called them out prior to beating Norwalk
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Post by sportsvideo on Jan 25, 2020 9:19:22 GMT -5
This is where we are at thru Friday Night the 24th...
1. Upper Sandusky 14-1 2. Shelby 12-1 3. Huron 11-2 4. Ontario 10-4 5. Lexington 9-5 6. Norwalk 8-5 7. Clear Fork 8-8 8. Mansfield Sr 4-7 9. Edison 4-10 10. Galion 2-12 11. Vermilion 0-15
Ontario is kinda rolling along.. not much talk about them..but I am seeing what they're doing..
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Post by portwalk on Jan 25, 2020 9:42:59 GMT -5
This is where we are at thru Friday Night the 24th... 1. Upper Sandusky 14-1 2. Shelby 12-1 3. Huron 11-2 4. Ontario 10-4 5. Lexington 9-5 6. Norwalk 8-5 7. Clear Fork 8-8 8. Mansfield Sr 4-7 9. Edison 4-10 10. Galion 2-12 11. Vermilion 0-15 Ontario is kinda rolling along.. not much talk about them..but I am seeing what they're doing.. When you look at this 2-7 is basically a coin flip IMO... Should be a fun tournament especially sectional finals...
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Post by sportsvideo on Jan 25, 2020 10:09:52 GMT -5
This is where we are at thru Friday Night the 24th... 1. Upper Sandusky 14-1 2. Shelby 12-1 3. Huron 11-2 4. Ontario 10-4 5. Lexington 9-5 6. Norwalk 8-5 7. Clear Fork 8-8 8. Mansfield Sr 4-7 9. Edison 4-10 10. Galion 2-12 11. Vermilion 0-15 Ontario is kinda rolling along.. not much talk about them..but I am seeing what they're doing.. When you look at this 2-7 is basically a coin flip IMO... Should be a fun tournament especially sectional finals... i would assume this will have 5 byes.. not sure any of the top 4 will want to play or take a free pass and await an opponent..
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Post by bballguy on Jan 25, 2020 14:54:42 GMT -5
I'm calling it U vs H in the District Final Could go either way, slight advantage U. Upper only gets there if they share the ball like they have the past 3-4 weeks. The ball did not seem to move as well in their last game against Carey.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 25, 2020 16:59:27 GMT -5
I'm calling it U vs H in the District Final Could go either way, slight advantage U. Upper only gets there if they share the ball like they have the past 3-4 weeks. The ball did not seem to move as well in their last game against Carey. I think the team that's going to surprise (somewhat) everyone is Ontario. I think Shaver is the best player in that area. Depending on the seeding, I'll go with Upper, Huron, Shelby, Ontario in the District semis with Ontario and Upper in the finals with Ontario winning.
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Post by xlegend on Jan 25, 2020 17:34:23 GMT -5
I think the team that's going to surprise (somewhat) everyone is Ontario. I think Shaver is the best player in that area. Depending on the seeding, I'll go with Upper, Huron, Shelby, Ontario in the District semis with Ontario and Upper in the finals with Ontario winning. I'm liking upper for right now after Tuesday I might change my mind. I have to see if Shelby is as good as their record says they are.
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