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Post by jmorgret07 on Dec 23, 2019 16:23:45 GMT -5
Alright, we are starting to learn some things about a lot of teams. What are your thoughts on this district so far?
Bellevue, Columbian, Clyde, Maumee, Oak Harbor, Perkins, Port Clinton, Rogers, Rossford, Sandusky, Scott, Woodward
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 23, 2019 17:30:54 GMT -5
Alright, we are starting to learn some things about a lot of teams. What are your thoughts on this district so far?
Bellevue, Columbian, Clyde, Maumee, Oak Harbor, Perkins, Port Clinton, Rogers, Rossford, Sandusky, Scott, Woodward Everyone of these schools should learn the Rogers Rams fight song.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Dec 24, 2019 9:36:00 GMT -5
1. Rogers 2. Sandusky 3. Oak Harbor 4. Rossford 5. Columbian 6. Clyde 7. Perkins 8. Bellevue 9. Maumee 10. Woodward 11. Scott 12. Port Clinton
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Post by rywill4 on Dec 24, 2019 11:20:13 GMT -5
Sandusky most definitely will be there at the end and will compete with Rogers.. Rogwrs may end up winning but Sandusky is gonna bring it they have one of the best players in Ohio in Staveskie and they have a senior ladden Group who will compete and not gonna go out without a fight been playing together since 6th grade they have been winners there whole run.. Also not a fan of the realignment Rogers adds transfers and now they are division 2 they were division 1 last year.. They lost 2 boys in enrollment now they are division 2 but next year bc they added transfers will be back division 1 bogus.. Ohio rules don't make sense bc next year what are they gonna do go back to old realignment.. Rogers put together a team and added transfers to go down state division 2 funny too me.. Why not stay d1 and be lima sr.. don't think they wanted that.. Plus wauseon is closer too Toledo and that region that Sandusky why didn't they realign wauseon and archbold in that district.. Sandusky and Rogers are the best 2 teams in d2 in northwest Ohio and they may possibly meet up in district final not right in my opinion.. But hey whoever wins that matchup if they meet up most likely will be representing region in regional final and possibly state final four
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 24, 2019 11:50:31 GMT -5
The whole NBC will be hard to gauge until they start playing more non conference games
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Post by edchambers on Dec 24, 2019 13:06:09 GMT -5
Sandusky most definitely will be there at the end and will compete with Rogers.. Rogwrs may end up winning but Sandusky is gonna bring it they have one of the best players in Ohio in Staveskie and they have a senior ladden Group who will compete and not gonna go out without a fight been playing together since 6th grade they have been winners there whole run.. Also not a fan of the realignment Rogers adds transfers and now they are division 2 they were division 1 last year.. They lost 2 boys in enrollment now they are division 2 but next year bc they added transfers will be back division 1 bogus.. Ohio rules don't make sense bc next year what are they gonna do go back to old realignment.. Rogers put together a team and added transfers to go down state division 2 funny too me.. Why not stay d1 and be lima sr.. don't think they wanted that.. Plus wauseon is closer too Toledo and that region that Sandusky why didn't they realign wauseon and archbold in that district.. Sandusky and Rogers are the best 2 teams in d2 in northwest Ohio and they may possibly meet up in district final not right in my opinion.. But hey whoever wins that matchup if they meet up most likely will be representing region in regional final and possibly state final four Don't be surprised if Rogers doesn't end up in D2 again next season.
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 24, 2019 13:26:05 GMT -5
Sandusky most definitely will be there at the end and will compete with Rogers.. Rogwrs may end up winning but Sandusky is gonna bring it they have one of the best players in Ohio in Staveskie and they have a senior ladden Group who will compete and not gonna go out without a fight been playing together since 6th grade they have been winners there whole run.. Also not a fan of the realignment Rogers adds transfers and now they are division 2 they were division 1 last year.. They lost 2 boys in enrollment now they are division 2 but next year bc they added transfers will be back division 1 bogus.. Ohio rules don't make sense bc next year what are they gonna do go back to old realignment.. Rogers put together a team and added transfers to go down state division 2 funny too me.. Why not stay d1 and be lima sr.. don't think they wanted that.. Plus wauseon is closer too Toledo and that region that Sandusky why didn't they realign wauseon and archbold in that district.. Sandusky and Rogers are the best 2 teams in d2 in northwest Ohio and they may possibly meet up in district final not right in my opinion.. But hey whoever wins that matchup if they meet up most likely will be representing region in regional final and possibly state final four Rogers would be well below the threshold without the 19 competitive balance points that were added. Nearly all d3 football teams are d2 in basketball
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Post by rywill4 on Dec 24, 2019 14:03:04 GMT -5
Rogers is a great team and I commend what they did the city of Toledo needs this.. The city has been down for several years with teams legitimately from the city competing for a state title why not put together a collection of talent from the city.. As far a competitive balance not too familiar with how system works I read Rogers enrollment of boys decreased by a few and they qualified for d2.. I know there enrollment increases just adding the basketball transfers they did the same thing with Columbus South.. they were d2 last year and there enrollment increases by a few boys and they went d1.. if Ohio were truly for competitive balance any Catholic school with open enrollment who can recruit should have there own division.. I feel kids should be able too transfer and move freely too different schools without sitting out games if it helps them educationally as well as help them achieve there athletic dreams.. I feel schools that's have open enrollment and can recruit are at an advantage than other schools
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Post by BHSalum on Dec 24, 2019 15:11:30 GMT -5
Rogers is a great team and I commend what they did the city of Toledo needs this.. The city has been down for several years with teams legitimately from the city competing for a state title why not put together a collection of talent from the city.. As far a competitive balance not too familiar with how system works I read Rogers enrollment of boys decreased by a few and they qualified for d2.. I know there enrollment increases just adding the basketball transfers they did the same thing with Columbus South.. they were d2 last year and there enrollment increases by a few boys and they went d1.. if Ohio were truly for competitive balance any Catholic school with open enrollment who can recruit should have there own division.. I feel kids should be able too transfer and move freely too different schools without sitting out games if it helps them educationally as well as help them achieve there athletic dreams.. I feel schools that's have open enrollment and can recruit are at an advantage than other schools It works great on the girls' side, so why not?
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 24, 2019 16:55:24 GMT -5
Rogers is a great team and I commend what they did the city of Toledo needs this.. The city has been down for several years with teams legitimately from the city competing for a state title why not put together a collection of talent from the city.. As far a competitive balance not too familiar with how system works I read Rogers enrollment of boys decreased by a few and they qualified for d2.. I know there enrollment increases just adding the basketball transfers they did the same thing with Columbus South.. they were d2 last year and there enrollment increases by a few boys and they went d1.. if Ohio were truly for competitive balance any Catholic school with open enrollment who can recruit should have there own division.. I feel kids should be able too transfer and move freely too different schools without sitting out games if it helps them educationally as well as help them achieve there athletic dreams.. I feel schools that's have open enrollment and can recruit are at an advantage than other schools Rossford has the highest CB points in the district and they are not an open enrollment school. Does not seem to be a disadvantage
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 24, 2019 21:41:50 GMT -5
Rogers is a great team and I commend what they did the city of Toledo needs this.. The city has been down for several years with teams legitimately from the city competing for a state title why not put together a collection of talent from the city.. As far a competitive balance not too familiar with how system works I read Rogers enrollment of boys decreased by a few and they qualified for d2.. I know there enrollment increases just adding the basketball transfers they did the same thing with Columbus South.. they were d2 last year and there enrollment increases by a few boys and they went d1.. if Ohio were truly for competitive balance any Catholic school with open enrollment who can recruit should have there own division.. I feel kids should be able too transfer and move freely too different schools without sitting out games if it helps them educationally as well as help them achieve there athletic dreams.. I feel schools that's have open enrollment and can recruit are at an advantage than other schools It is illegal to "recruit". If Rogers "can" recruit, why don't you report them??
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Post by rywill4 on Dec 25, 2019 0:19:41 GMT -5
I never stated Rogers recruited there transfer players.. I don't if they did or not it's not up too me too investigate Rogers every high basketball coach and analyst in Ohio knows they got transfers this year how that came about is neither here or there.. I'm not against kids putting differences aside and getting a collection of talent together to reach there goals and dreams.. Kudos to Rogers my point was private schools in Ohio with open enrollment are at and competitive advantage where they can recruit players wether people want to admit it or not it's going on.. Which I'm not opposed to that my feelings is they need too have an open division for those schools too just compete against each other I think that's only how you balance out schools who are not allotted open enrollment or scholarship programs for kids too attend there schools
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Post by rywill4 on Dec 25, 2019 0:24:26 GMT -5
Another thing my issue with Rogers is them being d1 then they lose 2 boys they are allotted to go d2 but they get transfers the same year they go d2 not a coincidence they put a team together to go down state my issue if your gonna get a collection of talent together why not stay d1 and compete with lima sr to go down state.. I feel they wanted the for sure easy route of playing d2 instead of competing against lima sr.. I'm not hating on Rogers just speaking facts
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Post by Mike Hula on Dec 25, 2019 7:08:24 GMT -5
Another thing my issue with Rogers is them being d1 then they lose 2 boys they are allotted to go d2 but they get transfers the same year they go d2 not a coincidence they put a team together to go down state my issue if your gonna get a collection of talent together why not stay d1 and compete with lima sr to go down state.. I feel they wanted the for sure easy route of playing d2 instead of competing against lima sr.. I'm not hating on Rogers just speaking facts How is this different than the kids going to Oak Harbor?
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 25, 2019 7:42:49 GMT -5
Another thing my issue with Rogers is them being d1 then they lose 2 boys they are allotted to go d2 but they get transfers the same year they go d2 not a coincidence they put a team together to go down state my issue if your gonna get a collection of talent together why not stay d1 and compete with lima sr to go down state.. I feel they wanted the for sure easy route of playing d2 instead of competing against lima sr.. I'm not hating on Rogers just speaking facts Why would a school stay D1 and play a tougher schedule? Why limit your chances? It makes total sense they'd want to be D2. They also "didn't not lose two boys", they are over 20 students below the maximum allowed for D2 when not counting CB
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Post by edchambers on Dec 25, 2019 11:14:17 GMT -5
Another thing my issue with Rogers is them being d1 then they lose 2 boys they are allotted to go d2 but they get transfers the same year they go d2 not a coincidence they put a team together to go down state my issue if your gonna get a collection of talent together why not stay d1 and compete with lima sr to go down state.. I feel they wanted the for sure easy route of playing d2 instead of competing against lima sr.. I'm not hating on Rogers just speaking facts Other than Rogers dropping down to D2, I'm seeing a lot of speculation on your part rather than facts.
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Post by edchambers on Dec 25, 2019 11:39:34 GMT -5
Rogers is a great team and I commend what they did the city of Toledo needs this.. The city has been down for several years with teams legitimately from the city competing for a state title why not put together a collection of talent from the city.. As far a competitive balance not too familiar with how system works I read Rogers enrollment of boys decreased by a few and they qualified for d2.. I know there enrollment increases just adding the basketball transfers they did the same thing with Columbus South.. they were d2 last year and there enrollment increases by a few boys and they went d1.. if Ohio were truly for competitive balance any Catholic school with open enrollment who can recruit should have there own division.. I feel kids should be able too transfer and move freely too different schools without sitting out games if it helps them educationally as well as help them achieve there athletic dreams.. I feel schools that's have open enrollment and can recruit are at an advantage than other schools Rossford has the highest CB points in the district and they are not an open enrollment school. Does not seem to be a disadvantage Rossford is open enrollment. Of the kids that contribute on their basketball team, more out-of-district than in-district.
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Post by rywill4 on Dec 25, 2019 19:00:17 GMT -5
No speculation just stating facts edchambers what in my post states specualtion I'm not against for what Rogers did.. I stated with them going d2 and you add players they are trying too make a run down state.. that's not speculation that's facts.. and yes it maybe easier I agree d2 than d1 but that goes back into my point I don't think they wanted too compete with lima sr too go down state.. It's all good I wish the best for Rogers no hate just stating how I feel don't feel it's speculation they just played lima sr and loss why risk playing a lima when you got and easier route d2
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 25, 2019 20:10:46 GMT -5
I never stated Rogers recruited there transfer players.. I don't if they did or not it's not up too me too investigate Rogers every high basketball coach and analyst in Ohio knows they got transfers this year how that came about is neither here or there.. I'm not against kids putting differences aside and getting a collection of talent together to reach there goals and dreams.. Kudos to Rogers my point was private schools in Ohio with open enrollment are at and competitive advantage where they can recruit players wether people want to admit it or not it's going on.. Which I'm not opposed to that my feelings is they need too have an open division for those schools too just compete against each other I think that's only how you balance out schools who are not allotted open enrollment or scholarship programs for kids too attend there schools YES you did state. Your exact words. "I feel schools that's[sic] have open enrollment and can recruit", speaking of privates. BTW, did you know that over 80% of PUBLIC schools have open enrollment?? They "can" recruit also and have just as much of an "advantage", as private schools do. I didn't say you should "investigate". What I said was that if you know a school is recruiting you should report them. Then the OHSAA will do the investigating. But if those of your ilk who claim they know a school is recruiting and doesn't report them, then nothing will change. It then becomes YOUR fault for the recruiting. SO, you're saying all private schools and 80% of public schools, all of which have open enrollment, should be in one Division?? That would be a little crowded. Those schools all have an advantage over the small minority of schools that do not have open enrollment. Admitting you don't understand how the OHSAA Competitive Balance Formula works could be your problem. Allow me to educate you. If a player on a school's Freshman, JV or Varsity basketball rosters was in the district before the start of the 7th grade, there is no adder for that player. If a player came to the district after the start of the 7th grade, but before the start of 9th grade, then 1 is added for each of those players. If a player came to the school district after the start of 9th grade, then 7 is added for each of those players. Those numbers then are added to the number of male students the school has in the top three grades. That total number then determines which Division that team plays in. How many players on Rogers Freshman, JV and Varsity rosters came to the school after the start of 7th grade, but before the start of 9th grade? How many players on the three rosters came after the start of 9th grade?
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Post by rywill4 on Dec 25, 2019 23:50:35 GMT -5
First off @ Willardfillmore I never stated Rogers recruited any players I stated the players came together I don't live in Toledo how am I to know accurately if they recruited players only those who are close to program or have ties or affiliation truly knows.. the kids themselves could habe decided they want to play together that's nor recruiting if players do it themselves.. yes private schools are at competitive advantage because kids can transfer to those schools and get tuition paid which offers advantages public schools cannot.. these programs Akron st v Cincinnati Moeller Lakewood st ed Toledo st John's consistently over the last 20 years have been tier 1 programs yes there have been public schools who have had success but they have not had the year in year out success like these programs.. I cannot name 1 public school who has had year in year out success like these programs.. I'm not crying foul on any program that's not my job or position im here stating an opinion and facts
If you want too report schools you go ahead but that's not my deal or position bc I have no accurate knowledge on any program bc I'm not investigating any program as far as Rogers it's common knowledge they got transfers this year this is not top secret.. my opinion they brought a collection of talent together this year to go down state.. in preseason articles in the blade Rogers were saying this was there goal..As far as competitive balance I'm not to familiar with formula but the information you provided enlightened my understanding and my assessment it's not gonna deter schools from Adding players.. First off if you bring kids in for the season and your trying to make a run that season tour not affected by competitive balance not until following season.. So how is that really going too stop any school.. Also majority of private schools don't add players until high school and they add players by each class.. so for 2020 class we recruit an good nucleus that's gonna stick around there whole 4 years and the next class 2021 we add 5 kids too that class.. if you never add kids whole they are in high school you can get around competitive balance.. Akron st v got moved to d1 bc competitive balance and it didn't slow them down still got too state title game.. what changed in there competitive balance bc they went back down to d2 and still are a great team they just competed against Sierra canyon a nationally ranked team so competitive balance works I don't feel it does.. if you just assess talent for talent Akron st v should be d1 and would be favorites to win d1.. So what is your theory on competitive balance in that situation.. my honest belief they put competitive balance in play for private schools who can recruit legally.. if Ohio had 2 open divisions for private schools too compete or schools who habitually get transfers or kids going too there schools who don't live in the district it would be a more balanced playing field
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Post by Green Falcon on Dec 26, 2019 8:09:58 GMT -5
First off @ Willardfillmore I never stated Rogers recruited any players I stated the players came together I don't live in Toledo how am I to know accurately if they recruited players only those who are close to program or have ties or affiliation truly knows.. the kids themselves could habe decided they want to play together that's nor recruiting if players do it themselves.. yes private schools are at competitive advantage because kids can transfer to those schools and get tuition paid which offers advantages public schools cannot.. these programs Akron st v Cincinnati Moeller Lakewood st ed Toledo st John's consistently over the last 20 years have been tier 1 programs yes there have been public schools who have had success but they have not had the year in year out success like these programs.. I cannot name 1 public school who has had year in year out success like these programs.. I'm not crying foul on any program that's not my job or position im here stating an opinion and facts If you want too report schools you go ahead but that's not my deal or position bc I have no accurate knowledge on any program bc I'm not investigating any program as far as Rogers it's common knowledge they got transfers this year this is not top secret.. my opinion they brought a collection of talent together this year to go down state.. in preseason articles in the blade Rogers were saying this was there goal..As far as competitive balance I'm not to familiar with formula but the information you provided enlightened my understanding and my assessment it's not gonna deter schools from Adding players.. First off if you bring kids in for the season and your trying to make a run that season tour not affected by competitive balance not until following season.. So how is that really going too stop any school.. Also majority of private schools don't add players until high school and they add players by each class.. so for 2020 class we recruit an good nucleus that's gonna stick around there whole 4 years and the next class 2021 we add 5 kids too that class.. if you never add kids whole they are in high school you can get around competitive balance.. Akron st v got moved to d1 bc competitive balance and it didn't slow them down still got too state title game.. what changed in there competitive balance bc they went back down to d2 and still are a great team they just competed against Sierra canyon a nationally ranked team so competitive balance works I don't feel it does.. if you just assess talent for talent Akron st v should be d1 and would be favorites to win d1.. So what is your theory on competitive balance in that situation.. my honest belief they put competitive balance in play for private schools who can recruit legally.. if Ohio had 2 open divisions for private schools too compete or schools who habitually get transfers or kids going too there schools who don't live in the district it would be a more balanced playing field Yes, that is the point. It is to move private schools up who actively recruit while also not moving the private schools that don't. Same for public schools with open enrollment. Having your two seperate tournament theory isn't fair either. A school like Fremont St. Joe would have to go up against the likes of Cleveland Villa Angela-St. Joseph or Lima Central Catholic. You would have the same problem but now in two different places.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 26, 2019 15:37:47 GMT -5
First off @ Willardfillmore I never stated Rogers recruited any players I stated the players came together I don't live in Toledo how am I to know accurately if they recruited players only those who are close to program or have ties or affiliation truly knows.. the kids themselves could habe decided they want to play together that's nor recruiting if players do it themselves.. yes private schools are at competitive advantage because kids can transfer to those schools and get tuition paid which offers advantages public schools cannot.. these programs Akron st v Cincinnati Moeller Lakewood st ed Toledo st John's consistently over the last 20 years have been tier 1 programs yes there have been public schools who have had success but they have not had the year in year out success like these programs.. I cannot name 1 public school who has had year in year out success like these programs.. I'm not crying foul on any program that's not my job or position im here stating an opinion and facts If you want too report schools you go ahead but that's not my deal or position bc I have no accurate knowledge on any program bc I'm not investigating any program as far as Rogers it's common knowledge they got transfers this year this is not top secret.. my opinion they brought a collection of talent together this year to go down state.. in preseason articles in the blade Rogers were saying this was there goal..As far as competitive balance I'm not to familiar with formula but the information you provided enlightened my understanding and my assessment it's not gonna deter schools from Adding players.. First off if you bring kids in for the season and your trying to make a run that season tour not affected by competitive balance not until following season.. So how is that really going too stop any school.. Also majority of private schools don't add players until high school and they add players by each class.. so for 2020 class we recruit an good nucleus that's gonna stick around there whole 4 years and the next class 2021 we add 5 kids too that class.. if you never add kids whole they are in high school you can get around competitive balance.. Akron st v got moved to d1 bc competitive balance and it didn't slow them down still got too state title game.. what changed in there competitive balance bc they went back down to d2 and still are a great team they just competed against Sierra canyon a nationally ranked team so competitive balance works I don't feel it does.. if you just assess talent for talent Akron st v should be d1 and would be favorites to win d1.. So what is your theory on competitive balance in that situation.. my honest belief they put competitive balance in play for private schools who can recruit legally.. if Ohio had 2 open divisions for private schools too compete or schools who habitually get transfers or kids going too there schools who don't live in the district it would be a more balanced playing field Then your semantics are really poor. In your initial post the only school you mention by name is Rogers and then you go on to talk private schools recruiting. You have very few "facts". Facts are only facts when they are backed up with data supplied by experts. Statements made on message boards by faceless individuals are never facts. As a matter of fact you admit to YOU'RE the one talking about recruiting and which schools do recruit, not me. Those doing the complaining should do something of more substance. Public schools have the same ability to recruit as private schools. Thus NO, privates have no advantage over public schools with open enrollment. Students at public schools and private schools if getting tuition paid for can attend at the same costs. Give us the "facts" on how many athletes at private schools have their tuition paid for. If some students are getting tuition paid for and they are not disadvantaged, that is illegal. Again, YOU are the one making the claim. YOU are the one claiming to know this is a "fact". YOU should be the one doing the reporting. If those of your ilk don't, who will? Here are a just few public schools that have had "year in year out" success. Glenville, Canton McKinley, Massillon, Steubenville, Kirtland, Minster, Coldwater, Marion Local, Berlin Hiland, Ada, Akron Manchester, Amanda Clear Creek, Mogador, Trotwood Madison, Cincy Wyoming. FACTS. You couldn't think of ONE?? That alone should disqualify you in this sphere. Moeller has only had one winning record(6-4) in the past 5 years in football. FACT. You said, "they brought a collection of players together"(at Rogers). Who is they?? If "they" is anyone that works in the school district or their booster club. That is ILLEGAL. Report them. YOU say these kids transferred this year. If that's they case they must sit out the last 11 games and the tournament. They won't go all that far without them. If they aren't sitting out that is a rules infraction, report them. If as you say, schools "bring kids in" that is ILLEGAL, report them. You still are not knowledgeable concerning CB. My bad if I wasn't succinct enough for your level of understanding. A player does not have to be in the district for 4 years to be counted. EVERY year each player that is on the Freshman, JV and Varsity roster, that came after the start of 7th grade is counted in the CB formula for that year. The same players are counted again the following year if they're on the rosters that year. I do not have a "theory" concerning CB, I'm just stating the FACTS and educating those like you that need help. Again, you are just as unknowledgeable if you think some public schools don't use open enrollment to build a successful program. Doing what you purport, then look at the CB figures for each year and put the privates AND publics with a "high" CB number in the same Division. There is ABSOLUTELY NO SUCH THING as "recruiting legally". In high school ALL recruiting is ILLEGAL. Illegal recruiting can be as simple as this... A few years ago Moeller was gigged by the OHSAA for stating facts about their successful football program in the school brochure given to prospective students. A concerned citizen reported that brochure to the OHSAA
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 26, 2019 15:57:11 GMT -5
Yes, that is the point. It is to move private schools up who actively recruit while also not moving the private schools that don't. Same for public schools with open enrollment. Having your two seperate tournament theory isn't fair either. A school like Fremont St. Joe would have to go up against the likes of Cleveland Villa Angela-St. Joseph or Lima Central Catholic. You would have the same problem but now in two different places. NO, that is not the point. ALL schools, private AND public are "moved up" by the CB formula. It has NOTHING to do with recruiting. Recruiting just ONE student athlete ONE time is ILLEGAL and punished far more severely than a "move up".
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Post by rywill4 on Dec 27, 2019 8:57:41 GMT -5
Nowhere in my post did I state Rogers recruited players you guys are implying I said they recruited but I never stated they recruited there players bc I have no proof second you mentioned football schools who have open enrollment and recruit I was Stating basketball schools this is an basketball forum correct also.. football added more divisions too help competitive balance isn't that accurate you didn't name 1 basketball school public school that has has consistency like the private schools name one.. 3rd yes I agree schools like Fremont st Joseph will get punished but again I stated only schools who recruit players when they are not in high school of Fremont st Joseph doesn't meet that criteria then there fine..again I'm entitled too my own opinion that's why it's a post
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Post by rywill4 on Dec 27, 2019 8:59:13 GMT -5
And there is a such thing is recruiting legally in Ohio I see private schools advertise on tv and have billboards promoting there schools so whether you recruit players educationally too attend you school it's still recruiting facts
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Post by rywill4 on Dec 27, 2019 9:13:14 GMT -5
Willard Fillmore what in my post is not knowlegeable you are making assumptions that's I said Rogers recruited players bringing a collection of talent does nor mean they recruited players.. they already had good players and added 3 good players again how many times do I have too reiterate too you I don't know how they got the addition of there new players what don't you understand if you are so concerned you investigate bc I'm not worried and it doesn't concern me 2nd competitive balance why did they add all these new divisions for football isn't that similar too what I'm stating for competitive balance my theory maybe different but again basketball wise I haven't seen a public school have a 20 yr run of consistency like these private schools you named all football schools besides trotwood Madison and they have not been dominated consistent yes for the past 5 years they have been okay but this year they are not good so again forget all numbers explain too me how has competitive balance helped for basketball ?
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Post by jmorgret07 on Dec 27, 2019 9:35:43 GMT -5
rywill4 I just wanted to tag you. I didn't even know we could do that. Carry on...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 27, 2019 16:50:55 GMT -5
Willard Fillmore what in my post is not knowlegeable you are making assumptions that's I said Rogers recruited players bringing a collection of talent does nor mean they recruited players.. they already had good players and added 3 good players again how many times do I have too reiterate too you I don't know how they got the addition of there new players what don't you understand if you are so concerned you investigate bc I'm not worried and it doesn't concern me 2nd competitive balance why did they add all these new divisions for football isn't that similar too what I'm stating for competitive balance my theory maybe different but again basketball wise I haven't seen a public school have a 20 yr run of consistency like these private schools you named all football schools besides trotwood Madison and they have not been dominated consistent yes for the past 5 years they have been okay but this year they are not good so again forget all numbers explain too me how has competitive balance helped for basketball ? Again, your semantics are poor. "Bringing in a collection of players", ABSOLUTELY infers recruiting. How in the heck can "bringing in" not be recruiting?? "Adding 3 players", also indicates recruiting. Otherwise you would have just said that 3 new student athletes enrolled or transferred, that happens all the time without being nefarious. "Bringing in" or "adding" is what colleges do when they recruit players. Maybe that's your problem, confusing collegiate terms with high school terms. You're the one that's confused. Only the OHSAA can "investigate" potential bylaw infractions. If you WERE knowledgeable you wouldn't have to asked why new divisions were added. OBVIOUSLY it was to make sure more schools had a chance to take part in the playoffs AND make more money for the OHSAA. AND the latest adding of a 7th Division was done to address the largest disparity in enrollment in any of the six Divisions, the top Division. NONE of the adding of Divisions had anything to do with what CB was meant to address. AGAIN, I never made any suppositions concerning the CB formula. YOU said you were not knowledgeable. My only purpose was to educate. You're welcome. You are AGAIN confused. I did not name any private schools, those on my list were ALL public schools. You show your lack of knowledge again. Canton McKinley is known much more for it's basketball Final Fours than football Final Fours, they have 28, 3 times more than football. Berlin Highland is a basketball school, 8 final fours in the past 20 years. in Football, Coldwater 15 final fours in the past 25 years. Marion Local 16 in the past 20 years, Moeller hasn't done that. Steubenville 10 in past 25 years. Mogadore 17 final fours. MORE FACTS.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 27, 2019 17:06:30 GMT -5
And there is a such thing is recruiting legally in Ohio I see private schools advertise on tv and have billboards promoting there schools so whether you recruit players educationally too attend you school it's still recruiting facts You are terribly unknowledgeable. READ the OHSAA Bylalws and you will learn that ANY AND ALL "recruiting" by all schools for sports is illegal. Private schools can "recruit" for academics only, as public schools with Open Enrollment can do. PAY ATTENTION to all that I post. AGAIN for the lazy one. Recently, Moeller got in trouble with the OHSAA for putting a small blurb in their brochure for prospective students, about the successes of their football teams. THAT little mistake was considered ILLEGAL recruiting by the OHSAA and they were punished according AND had to pitch all of those brochures. If you closely read those billboards, I'm quite sure there was no mention of those private schools athletic teams.
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Post by rywill4 on Dec 27, 2019 19:08:38 GMT -5
Willard Fillmore I'm going too address you one final time you keep stating your so knowlegeable about the bylaws but you habe not addressed my point yet.. And you still beat around my the fact of competitive balance I am knowlegeable of competitive balance you habe not enlightened me on anything.. Bc again you can only be affected by enrollment numbers the following season not the season you may have added players or loss players and that's facts@Willardfillmore again now tell me if I'm wrong with my statement.. Also you are so worried about Rogers let them live geesh if you are so concerned you investigate.. My statement of them bringing together a collection of talent does not imply recruiting or they did something unethical or illegal.. Again it's common knowledge around the state they added new players go read the article in the Toledo blade.. Even if I knew they recruited players it's not in My DNA to go tell or rat or report anyone bc that's not my job to acquire about illegal recruiting in high school basketball of Ohio... Maybe that's you makeup too snitch on teams or cry foul not mine I honestly don't care bc it's nothing you can do this season anyway.. You need too get more knowledgeable about what's going on in basketball I'm not talking small d4 basketball.. Bc all the programs you named public high schools you named Marion local get out of here they are d4.. And you stated Moeller got into trouble are they banned from this year's post season did any of there titles get vacated so I'm not trying to hear nothing too regards too that.. A small infarction and a slap on the wrist.. Again I'm asking you how has competitive balance by the numbers helped Ohio basketball bc again Moeller is still going to contend d1 Akron st v contending d2. Lakewood st ed contending d1.. And I can go on and on and on.. You don't habe too agree with my position of 2 separate divisions for private schools but too say I'm not knowlegeable on situation real funny too me.. Again you commented on me reporting Rogers I stated that's not my position bc I don't know if they recruited players or not.. Who are you too argue I should is comical I'm going too let you have this big dog 😂😂😂😂
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