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Post by dude on Jan 4, 2020 13:04:24 GMT -5
You are the real clown here. Do you really expect them to say we flip a coin. What i'm telling you is the data is incomplete and they do not check or verify any info. Their rankings may be useful for conversations such as this one but they have very little merit because they can be based on bad or incomplete stats provided. Celebrate your teams wins but do not use Maxpreps ranking system to define it. IT, like you , can be laughable most of the time. Good luck. I was merely pointing out your misrepresentation of how the rankings would be different if OG and others had played Willards schedule. Another feeble attempt by you to slam Willard. I've never referenced Willard's MaxPrep ranking in any of my posts. In fact, I agree with you that most (if not all) rankings are good for conversation and debate but serve little purpose elsewise. I find it laughable that you continue to post negative comments on Willard topics, but characterize yourself as open minded and factually driven. When, in fact, your hatred/jealousy of the Flashes oozes from every letter you type. I'm guessing a few decades ago Willard beat up on your high school team pretty good and you haven't recovered. Have a wonderful day. And I was merely pointing out that is some of those schools had played an easier schedule without losses they would be ranked higher. But you can go ahead and take the ranking as fact if you like. I'm sure some may feel Willard is the 6th best D3 team in the state. Regardless of how they finish the season, and I do hope it is finished in a strong fashion, I find most rankings to be bogus and MaxPreps system is right up there with the worst. If you were not so sensitive you could see I have no intent to "slam Willard". I may slam some of their fans for silly posts but that is all in fun. In most posts I bring an unconnected interest to high school sports that many fanatics do not want to hear. It's not personal, just opinions and facts, and I normally let you know which is which. For the record Willard never beat my team. Good luck tonight against the 21st ranked D2 team in the state of Ohio. After last nights games Willard had dropped to 10th even thought the ranking has nothing to do with records.
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Post by dude on Jan 4, 2020 13:08:05 GMT -5
I've been following OG on the Davey1 site. They look like the real deal. Tough schedule and hammering everyone they play. I'm expecting top 1,2 or 3 for them in the first AP poll. Beat the Nubians by 30 last night ouch Nubians were 4-3 before last night and have not played good basketball thus far.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 4, 2020 13:42:37 GMT -5
I was merely pointing out your misrepresentation of how the rankings would be different if OG and others had played Willards schedule. Another feeble attempt by you to slam Willard. I've never referenced Willard's MaxPrep ranking in any of my posts. In fact, I agree with you that most (if not all) rankings are good for conversation and debate but serve little purpose elsewise. I find it laughable that you continue to post negative comments on Willard topics, but characterize yourself as open minded and factually driven. When, in fact, your hatred/jealousy of the Flashes oozes from every letter you type. I'm guessing a few decades ago Willard beat up on your high school team pretty good and you haven't recovered. Have a wonderful day. And I was merely pointing out that is some of those schools had played an easier schedule without losses they would be ranked higher. But you can go ahead and take the ranking as fact if you like. I'm sure some may feel Willard is the 6th best D3 team in the state. Regardless of how they finish the season, and I do hope it is finished in a strong fashion, I find most rankings to be bogus and MaxPreps system is right up there with the worst. If you were not so sensitive you could see I have no intent to "slam Willard". I may slam some of their fans for silly posts but that is all in fun. In most posts I bring an unconnected interest to high school sports that many fanatics do not want to hear. It's not personal, just opinions and facts, and I normally let you know which is which. For the record Willard never beat my team. Good luck tonight against the 21st ranked D2 team in the state of Ohio. After last nights games Willard had dropped to 10th even thought the ranking has nothing to do with records. Ok now, that was a pretty good post.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 4, 2020 15:21:16 GMT -5
You are the real clown here. Do you really expect them to say we flip a coin. What i'm telling you is the data is incomplete and they do not check or verify any info. Their rankings may be useful for conversations such as this one but they have very little merit because they can be based on bad or incomplete stats provided. Celebrate your teams wins but do not use Maxpreps ranking system to define it. IT, like you , can be laughable most of the time. Good luck. I was merely pointing out your misrepresentation of how the rankings would be different if OG and others had played Willards schedule. Another feeble attempt by you to slam Willard. I've never referenced Willard's MaxPrep ranking in any of my posts. In fact, I agree with you that most (if not all) rankings are good for conversation and debate but serve little purpose elsewise. I find it laughable that you continue to post negative comments on Willard topics, but characterize yourself as open minded and factually driven. When, in fact, your hatred/jealousy of the Flashes oozes from every letter you type. I'm guessing a few decades ago Willard beat up on your high school team pretty good and you haven't recovered. Have a wonderful day. You're giving Willard too much credit. Dude has a disdain for EVERY program in this area that has successes other than HIS Minutepeople.
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Post by tori2 on Jan 4, 2020 15:31:57 GMT -5
Will this game be on the radio?
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Post by bigox on Jan 4, 2020 15:36:12 GMT -5
Beat the Nubians by 30 last night ouch Nubians were 4-3 before last night and have not played good basketball thus far. Might not be playing great. But they have good talent. And more to the point of what's being blathered on here. Schedule matter's when prepping for tournament runs right?? And OG does that where other schools dont.
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Post by hhsfan90 on Jan 4, 2020 19:55:37 GMT -5
Halftime willard up 32 to 28
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Post by hhsfan90 on Jan 4, 2020 20:17:16 GMT -5
Willard up 44 to 42 after 3
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Post by hhsfan90 on Jan 4, 2020 20:40:39 GMT -5
Final 57 to 54 willard. This game will be close again when they play again. Good game, refs let them play
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Post by sportsvideo on Jan 4, 2020 20:44:38 GMT -5
Not bad. We can play with them. So can oak harbor
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Post by dump on Jan 4, 2020 20:55:45 GMT -5
Haha that is the team you think is the best in the state?? Huron played a very average game and should have won, on Willards home floor. Willard fans may be the most delusional I have ever encountered. Huron will beat them at home, no doubt in my mind. You guys need a wake up call. Parrot is a good player, other than that, not much to write home about. Certainly can think of numerous teams who would beat them handily in D3. Keep dreaming.
Go Tigers
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 4, 2020 21:09:18 GMT -5
Haha that is the team you think is the best in the state?? Huron played a very average game and should have won, on Willards home floor. Willard fans may be the most delusional I have ever encountered. Huron will beat them at home, no doubt in my mind. You guys need a wake up call. Parrot is a good player, other than that, not much to write home about. Certainly can think of numerous teams who would beat them handily in D3. Keep dreaming. Go Tigers Thx for the compliments Dump, doesn't say much for your team. I thought both teams played well. Huron is MUCH better than I anticipated. Wennes is a player. Huron defense is very very good. The coach had the boys ready and an outstanding game plan. See ya in Huron.
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Post by xlegend on Jan 4, 2020 21:11:22 GMT -5
Haha that is the team you think is the best in the state?? Huron played a very average game and should have won, on Willards home floor. Willard fans may be the most delusional I have ever encountered. Huron will beat them at home, no doubt in my mind. You guys need a wake up call. Parrot is a good player, other than that, not much to write home about. Certainly can think of numerous teams who would beat them handily in D3. Keep dreaming. Go Tigers you say Parrott is the only player haha. You thought your tigers would win by 10 plus. I'll admit I didn't think it would be close so I guess we're both wrong but Willard didn't play well either. Paxton was the difference in this one. The kid has ice water in his veins and boy did we need it.huron played us tough but our starters haven't played a full game since week one. Our team needed someone to push us and I'll give credit to Huron for that but a win is a win noticed that Joe put baldridge on wennes and he only got one junk bunker after half time. Myles done a lot out there as well.overall we'll take it and get better doing it. BTW we have NEVER said best team in the state
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Post by xlegend on Jan 4, 2020 21:14:50 GMT -5
I would like to know dump the NUMEROUS teams that would best us. Don't make silly statements or your credibility will be lost.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 4, 2020 21:16:47 GMT -5
I would like to know dump the NUMEROUS teams that would best us. Don't make silly statements or your credibility will be lost. lol, Dump has never had any credibility on this site
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Post by sportsvideo on Jan 4, 2020 21:23:10 GMT -5
Trolls aren’t fans Willard peeps. Majority of us have a ton of respect for what Willard has and their tradition. I also believed huron could hang and said so. Oak harbor is dangerous as well. So you’ll get tested again. And that’s good for everyone involved.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 4, 2020 21:25:27 GMT -5
Trolls aren’t fans Willard peeps. Majority of us have a ton of respect for what Willard has and their tradition. I also believed huron could hang and said so. Oak harbor is dangerous as well. So you’ll get tested again. And that’s good for everyone involved. Agree
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Post by ScarletFever on Jan 4, 2020 21:51:05 GMT -5
From my very limited time watching Willard this season something they do not do well is bleed time off the clock.
Bad sequence in Norwalk to end the first half and bad sequence the final few minutes tonight.
Throwing the ball around like a grenade with the pin pulled, missing free throws. I almost say keep attacking hell with stalling the ball if you can’t do it.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 4, 2020 22:02:24 GMT -5
Huron 16-12-14-12 - 54 Willard 18-14-12-13 - 57
Huron (7-1, 3-1): 24-51 FG, 2-3 FT, 4-21 3pt (Holm 2, Wennes, Ritzler), 24 rebounds (Wennes 9), 12 turnovers. Scoring: Matthew Hurst 3 0-0 6, Jimmy Harkelroad 3 0-0 6, Michael Holm 5 0-0 12, Drew Wennes 5 2-3 13, Nic Ritzler 7 0-0 15, Cole Parker 1 0-0 2.
Willard (9-0, 3-0): 22-46 FG, 5-11 FT, 8-22 3pt (Paxton 4, Baldridge 2, Parrott 2), 30 rebounds (Adelman 8), 14 turnovers. Scoring: Trey Paxton 5 0-0 14, Terry Baldridge 7 2-3 18, Myles Pinkston 2 1-4 5, Micah Dawson 2 0-0 4, Cooper Parrott 5 2-4 14, Austin Adelman 1 0-0 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 22:15:43 GMT -5
Don't make excuses for Willard why it was a very good game. Huron is equally as good as Willard, And it showed tonight on the floor. They both played well. And Huron JV's won 47-42, And Huron's Freshman beat Willard's 54-23.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 4, 2020 22:46:04 GMT -5
Lessons to be learned. Those that said Willard was 20+ points better than Huron are not very knowledgeable. Those that say things like that embarrasses themselves. Very little has changed since xlegend professed the sky was falling after seeing his Flashes against Triway, Buckeye Valley and Ontario. The problem is, Willard hasn't played anyone of that caliber since, except Upper, and they were without their best player for most of 3 quarters. I've seen Huron, I knew this would be a close game. I choose not to make predictions, for the very reason stated above. Huron and Willard both COULD win District Titles, but it will be MUCH more difficult for Huron.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 4, 2020 22:54:16 GMT -5
I would like to know dump the NUMEROUS teams that would best us. Don't make silly statements or your credibility will be lost. I WOULD never say WOULD, but I can think of a half dozen around here that COULD beat Willard. It was proven tonight they aren't invincible. One more made 3 pointer is all it could have taken tonight. "Silly statements" like your, "We should beat Huron by 20. No kidding?" OR "We are playing really well at home that's why I'm saying a blowout....Flashes have too much." Those don't lend to credibility either. Sounds like Dump Light.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 4, 2020 23:11:44 GMT -5
Lessons to be learned. Those that said Willard was 20+ points better than Huron are not very knowledgeable. Those that say things like that embarrasses themselves. Very little has changed since xlegend professed the sky was falling after seeing his Flashes against Triway, Buckeye Valley and Ontario. The problem is, Willard hasn't played anyone of that caliber since, except Upper, and they were without their best player for most of 3 quarters. I've seen Huron, I knew this would be a close game. I choose not to make predictions, for the very reason stated above. Huron and Willard both COULD win District Titles, but it will be MUCH more difficult for Huron. I picked Willard to win easily. I'm not the least bit embarrased I was wrong. I dont feel as if my overall basketball knowledge is lessoned because of it. I'm encouraged that Willard was in a dogfight and pulled thru. I'm encouraged that the SBC Bay has another team or 2 that can play. I would love to see Huron win a D2 District title. I only hope one day I can be as wise as you. BTW, last time I checked a Win is a Win. Willard won, Huron lost. That's really all that matters.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 4, 2020 23:37:37 GMT -5
Knowledgeable is seeing both teams play. Knowledgeable is judging individual talent. Knowledgeable is envisioning match-ups. Knowledgeable is doing those things without bias. I am well aware of your bias. You were wrong because of your bias. Knowledge is knowing biases and taking them into consideration. I have won my fair share of money betting on football. I'm a very biased Ohio State and Browns fan. Thus, I never place a wager on their games.
Doing the above can lead to being wise.
"A Win is a Win", is a great axiom. As is, "The best team does not always win". Being aware of Willard basketball history, I'm sure you'd agree with that one as well.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 5, 2020 0:26:58 GMT -5
Knowledgeable is seeing both teams play. Knowledgeable is judging individual talent. Knowledgeable is envisioning match-ups. Knowledgeable is doing those things without bias. I am well aware of your bias. You were wrong because of your bias. Knowledge is knowing biases and taking them into consideration. I have won my fair share of money betting on football. I'm a very biased Ohio State and Browns fan. Thus, I never place a wager on their games. Doing the above can lead to being wise. "A Win is a Win", is a great axiom. As is, "The best team does not always win". Being aware of Willard basketball history, I'm sure you'd agree with that one as well. Bias', we all have them. Sure, I had not seen Huron play before tonite. But my prediction wasnt base solely on lack of knowledge. I'm well aware of their athletes, I'm well aware of the Wennes kid being an All SBC player, I'm well aware of what they returned from last year, I'm well aware of how good their JV team was last year. What I didnt anticipate was how good they are defensively. Their "help" defense is outstanding. I thought we would hold them in the low 50's, which we did. I did not think they could hold us below the Upper 60's. I was wrong. The best team wins a majority of the time. Tonite was no exception.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 5, 2020 1:10:11 GMT -5
Yes, we all have biases. The key is being able to set them aside when making decisions, coming to conclusions. Your bias before this game was formed based on watching Willard play a weak schedule. Had most of the games been against teams the quality of Huron, your bias would not have been as strong. You should have known to take that into consideration. Now that you're more knowledgeable, I'm quite sure you won't be predicting a 15(low 50's, high 60's) point win in the return match. Another factor, now that the coaches have actually seen their teams play against each other, what adjustments will be made? AH, but the question needs asked? How many points is home court advantage worth? I've been told most formulas calculating outcomes of high school basketball games assign 5 points.
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Post by xlegend on Jan 5, 2020 14:37:51 GMT -5
I would like to know dump the NUMEROUS teams that would best us. Don't make silly statements or your credibility will be lost. I WOULD never say WOULD, but I can think of a half dozen around here that COULD beat Willard. It was proven tonight they aren't invincible. One more made 3 pointer is all it could have taken tonight. "Silly statements" like your, "We should beat Huron by 20. No kidding?" OR "We are playing really well at home that's why I'm saying a blowout....Flashes have too much." Those don't lend to credibility either. Sounds like Dump Light. your so quick to bash me when I say something and it doesn't pan out.your the one that said Huron would finish in front of Willard so howz that working out for ya you also said Ontario is Willard's equal.howz that working out for ya.you also said the s team won't be as good as last year's.thers still a long way to go but as of right now how is that working out for ya.i stated before that I wish I never went to the scrimmage in Ontario and stuck with my first thought that this team is really good.nit saying we are a shoe in to make to cbus but regionals us doable.im not embarrassed at all with what I predicted.willard is the better team and if we make free throws they don't have a chance to tie it at the end.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 5, 2020 17:16:17 GMT -5
Like C5 said, I’ll take winning a close game over an undefeated team in a larger Division all day long. And, the fact that they are pretty good , will only help us down the road. Glad we get to play some good teams to push us. We don’t wanna play rinky dinks like Norwalk every night . 😀😀😀
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 5, 2020 17:28:49 GMT -5
I WOULD never say WOULD, but I can think of a half dozen around here that COULD beat Willard. It was proven tonight they aren't invincible. One more made 3 pointer is all it could have taken tonight. "Silly statements" like your, "We should beat Huron by 20. No kidding?" OR "We are playing really well at home that's why I'm saying a blowout....Flashes have too much." Those don't lend to credibility either. Sounds like Dump Light. your so quick to bash me when I say something and it doesn't pan out.your the one that said Huron would finish in front of Willard so howz that working out for ya you also said Ontario is Willard's equal.howz that working out for ya.you also said the s team won't be as good as last year's.thers still a long way to go but as of right now how is that working out for ya.i stated before that I wish I never went to the scrimmage in Ontario and stuck with my first thought that this team is really good.nit saying we are a shoe in to make to cbus but regionals us doable.im not embarrassed at all with what I predicted.willard is the better team and if we make free throws they don't have a chance to tie it at the end. Hoping to educate is hardly a "bash". One doesn't have to worry about saying things that don't pan out, if one is judicious about what they say. Things are working out about as I expected. You were the unknowledgeable one saying Willard would win by 20. What you saw at Ontario was a good indicator. Willard not playing anyone of quality since, outside of Upper, led to your misconception. You need to get out more.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 5, 2020 18:41:52 GMT -5
All you need to do is go to a Willard thread and you can get a good dose of hearing how good Upper an Huron are, and how bad Norwalk is.
Also you can count on the Flashes faithful to somehow define Upper and Huron as “Larger schools” when both were D3 last season. What explanation will be next???
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