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Post by galion on May 20, 2020 17:29:50 GMT -5
It is foolish to use success in the lower levels to predict future varsity success. Good programs focus player development not wins and losses. Ignorant statement. You want us to believe a 1-9 or 2-18 JV team portends well for the future?? It sure as hell is a sound indicator for Galion basketball failures and football success. As it is for Ontario basketball success and poor showings in football. Typical for you to go to the far end of the spectrum. Nobody is confusing Galion basketball with a good program. I think we can agree that your jv team does not need to go undefeated for your varsity to have a bright future. Given that oftentimes a school's best underclassmen are already seeing varsity time, particularly in a small school conference, a jv record can be misleading.
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Post by dude on May 20, 2020 17:54:57 GMT -5
As compared to not being in the league and just being okay with losing that game? I don't believe that they were OK "losing". However, the intensity level of playing a game for a conference title and playing an ooc opponent without much of a rivalry is different. They have no conference so EVERY game matters and it was at Lucas. Your logic is weak.
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Post by dude on May 20, 2020 17:57:19 GMT -5
Typical for you to go to the far end of the spectrum. Nobody is confusing Galion basketball with a good program. I think we can agree that your jv team does not need to go undefeated for your varsity to have a bright future. Given that oftentimes a school's best underclassmen are already seeing varsity time, particularly in a small school conference, a jv record can be misleading. IF you have a strong jv record it can mean you have strong senior and junior classes with large numbers and the stronger freshman and sophs are not needed on varsity. But it does not predict varsity success in years to come.
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Post by nattydaddy on May 20, 2020 18:11:44 GMT -5
Given Lucas' recent successes in multiple sports, particularly football, I can see why they preferred Loudonville. Very true, but Lucas was 8-2 in regular season and one of the losses was to the second place team in the KMAC. It could be argued that the state runner-up could have finished 3rd in the league for football this season. Ehhh... Lucas lost to Northmor on a missed extra point in a game played under unusual weather circumstances. They could’ve finished 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the KMAC for all we know - I just don’t see a 1pt loss to Northmor indicating one of those finishes as more likely than the other two. KMAC last year was two good teams, one OK team and five, well... <shrug>
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 20, 2020 19:54:12 GMT -5
Ignorant statement. You want us to believe a 1-9 or 2-18 JV team portends well for the future?? It sure as hell is a sound indicator for Galion basketball failures and football success. As it is for Ontario basketball success and poor showings in football. Typical for you to go to the far end of the spectrum. Nobody is confusing Galion basketball with a good program. I think we can agree that your jv team does not need to go undefeated for your varsity to have a bright future. Given that oftentimes a school's best underclassmen are already seeing varsity time, particularly in a small school conference, a jv record can be misleading. 7-3 and 14-6 JVs are going to help the the next 2 years more so than 3-7 and 6-14. I can't help you if you can't do the math.
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Post by dude on May 20, 2020 20:33:16 GMT -5
Very true, but Lucas was 8-2 in regular season and one of the losses was to the second place team in the KMAC. It could be argued that the state runner-up could have finished 3rd in the league for football this season. Ehhh... Lucas lost to Northmor on a missed extra point in a game played under unusual weather circumstances. They could’ve finished 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the KMAC for all we know - I just don’t see a 1pt loss to Northmor indicating one of those finishes as more likely than the other two. KMAC last year was two good teams, one OK team and five, well... <shrug> I wasn't taking anything away from Lucas or Northmor. The fact is that Northmor beat Lucas playing in the same weather and Northmor lost to undefeated East Knox. So last season East Knox was better than Northmor and Northmor was 1 point better than Lucas at Lucas.
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Post by galion on May 20, 2020 23:38:47 GMT -5
Typical for you to go to the far end of the spectrum. Nobody is confusing Galion basketball with a good program. I think we can agree that your jv team does not need to go undefeated for your varsity to have a bright future. Given that oftentimes a school's best underclassmen are already seeing varsity time, particularly in a small school conference, a jv record can be misleading. 7-3 and 14-6 JVs are going to help the the next 2 years more so than 3-7 and 6-14. I can't help you if you can't do the math. Not if your best underclassmen are already playing varsity. I can't help it if you can't understand the concept that underclassmen can be more talented than the seniors on a team. In which case your jv and frosh records will suffer and may not be indicative of your actual talent level for the next 2 years. In 83 our jv and frosh teams were barely above .500. According to you in 85 we should have been a 6 or 7 win team. Yet we all know we were a bit better than that.
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Post by galion on May 20, 2020 23:52:17 GMT -5
I don't believe that they were OK "losing". However, the intensity level of playing a game for a conference title and playing an ooc opponent without much of a rivalry is different. They have no conference so EVERY game matters and it was at Lucas. Your logic is weak. And your logic is ridiculous. You don't even get A performances from a team every week in the pros. You can't honestly expect that at a high school level. Sometimes you play a clunker and in this case it bit Lucas in the backside. In 85 we easily could have lost to a below 500 Ashland team but fortunately we managed to claw it out. Northmor was better on that night, but Lucas was a state finalist. I somehow don't thing that the Lucas players are losing much sleep over Northmor right now.
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Post by galion on May 20, 2020 23:54:30 GMT -5
Ehhh... Lucas lost to Northmor on a missed extra point in a game played under unusual weather circumstances. They could’ve finished 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the KMAC for all we know - I just don’t see a 1pt loss to Northmor indicating one of those finishes as more likely than the other two. KMAC last year was two good teams, one OK team and five, well... <shrug> I wasn't taking anything away from Lucas or Northmor. The fact is that Northmor beat Lucas playing in the same weather and Northmor lost to undefeated East Knox. So last season East Knox was better than Northmor and Northmor was 1 point better than Lucas at Lucas. Northmor was 1 point better on that night.
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Post by dude on May 21, 2020 7:02:54 GMT -5
They have no conference so EVERY game matters and it was at Lucas. Your logic is weak. And your logic is ridiculous. You don't even get A performances from a team every week in the pros. You can't honestly expect that at a high school level. Sometimes you play a clunker and in this case it bit Lucas in the backside. In 85 we easily could have lost to a below 500 Ashland team but fortunately we managed to claw it out. Northmor was better on that night, but Lucas was a state finalist. I somehow don't thing that the Lucas players are losing much sleep over Northmor right now. I would hope nobody is losing sleep. MY logic was they lost and they did. Northmor has beaten them the previous two seasons and you think it wasn't a big game for them at home. My logic was they lost to Northmor and Northmor lost to East Knox. All facts that did occur. They were a state finalist almost 3 month later, not when they played Northmor.
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Post by dude on May 21, 2020 7:04:21 GMT -5
I wasn't taking anything away from Lucas or Northmor. The fact is that Northmor beat Lucas playing in the same weather and Northmor lost to undefeated East Knox. So last season East Knox was better than Northmor and Northmor was 1 point better than Lucas at Lucas. Northmor was 1 point better on that night. Isn't that what I said? Northmor was 1 point better than Lucas at Lucas.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 21, 2020 12:17:34 GMT -5
7-3 and 14-6 JVs are going to help the the next 2 years more so than 3-7 and 6-14. I can't help you if you can't do the math. Not if your best underclassmen are already playing varsity. I can't help it if you can't understand the concept that underclassmen can be more talented than the seniors on a team. In which case your jv and frosh records will suffer and may not be indicative of your actual talent level for the next 2 years. In 83 our jv and frosh teams were barely above .500. According to you in 85 we should have been a 6 or 7 win team. Yet we all know we were a bit better than that. DUH!!! As would be the case with the OTHER team's best underclassmen. I can't help you if you are incapable of logical thinking. In my case when a Junior the varsity was 7-3 and had a very good JV team. When a Senior we had a 10-0 regular season and that year also had a very good JV team. The next year the Varsity had a 9-1 record, losing to a team that did not lose for 3 years. Your examples can be one upped by most...not even bringing Balogh teams into the discussion.
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