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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 12, 2020 13:34:09 GMT -5
I was at the game. I was texting a friend watching the game on TV, and the announcers' favoritism was described as "painful." I wish I could have heard them as the game ended.
First half was brutal. Ontario seemed fairly aware that Shelby cannot shoot well, and they packed their defense in the paint and it truly stumped Shelby's ability to drive. I've seen three games now, and Shelby does not run any true cohesive offensive scheme that I can notice. Those around me at the game agreed with this observation as well. Again and again, Shelby is a team that thrives on chaos and fast-break situations. They were screwing up these scenarios in the first half, with Pugh missing two dunk attempts (one time, the ball slipped out of his hand well before he got to the hoop, but it wasn't the hardest to see what he was trying to do). There was at least four unforced turnovers in the first half for Shelby as well. As WF said, Shelby was trying different defenders on Shaver. Shaver was incredible that first half despite being face-guarded. Ontario was running high post curl screens in the first half that led to many 3-point attempts and makes.
My second half assessment is very cloudy because of the hysteria involved. There was an offensive set where you had none of the top three offensive threats for Shelby on the floor. That was the longest active offensive set for Shelby the entire game because none of the players felt courageous enough to shoot the ball. I forget what part of the game it was, but it really seemed to reset Shelby's confidence as everyone touched the ball and they realized that they could move the ball without turning it over or being hasty. By the end of the game, it was flashes of the Norwalk game where Ontario could not get out of their own way.
Both teams are extremely capable.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 12, 2020 14:03:16 GMT -5
Dude, TV station located in Ontario. Owner lives in Ontario. Owner has kids in Ontario schools. TV station does all of Ontario's home basketball games. One announcer works in Ontario schools, other announcer is a Balogh disciple. WF has relative that works for WMFD.  Kinda like Jim Donovan and Doug Dieken doing the Browns games.  Dude has seen a minuscule number of Ontario games compared to WF. No one in Ontario, including Joe, thinks Supon has "supported" Ontario. Quite the opposite. When Supon looked at the bench he was looking to T up Joe if he slammed his coat down. Done that before. Over the years Supon has given out just as many Ts on Joe, if not more, than other officials. Supon lives in a community and went to a school that was more of a heated rival of Ontario in the day, than Lex is now. Other schools supported Supon's business just as much as Ontario. |
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Post by gt1975 on Jan 12, 2020 14:05:26 GMT -5
River Valley 82 Galion 47 F Tough week for Galion. Lost by 36 to Pleasant and 35 to River Valley. The good news is our next game is 1/14 against Mt. Gilead. Should be a close one. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 12, 2020 14:12:12 GMT -5
I’m fairly sure it was Pugh. Would have been fine to go up with two hands, but tried for an aggressive one-handed slam. At that point in the game, the Whippets needed the points more than an emphatic dunk. 6-6 Pugh missed, 6-1 Shaver barely made his. Both, unwise moves in a game of the magnitude. You could tell there was a one upmanship going on between them. Two Juniors who are the leading candidates for MOAC POY. |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 12, 2020 14:27:24 GMT -5
I've seen six missed dunk attempts in three games by Shelby. Only two makes. I wonder what the actual economics are of a high school dunk being made and how much it actually causes despair in the other team. I'll say this, that Shaver dunk was the single most bare minimum interpretation of a dunk I have ever seen in a high school game - but it still counts.
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Post by ohioraised on Jan 12, 2020 14:53:45 GMT -5
Dude, TV station located in Ontario. Owner lives in Ontario. Owner has kids in Ontario schools. TV station does all of Ontario's home basketball games. One announcer works in Ontario schools, other announcer is a Balogh disciple. WF has relative that works for WMFD. Kinda like Jim Donovan and Doug Dieken doing the Browns games. Dude has seen a minuscule number of Ontario games compared to WF. No one in Ontario, including Joe, thinks Supon has "supported" Ontario. Quite the opposite. When Supon looked at the bench he was looking to T up Joe if he slammed his coat down. Done that before. Over the years Supon has given out just as many Ts on Joe, if not more, than other officials. Supon lives in a community and went to a school that was more of a heated rival of Ontario in the day, than Lex is now. Other schools supported Supon's business just as much as Ontario. Donovan and Dieken are hired to call the game in part for being Browns fans. WMFDTV portrays themselves as supporting the Mansfield area and survives only from the support of every community. Even the ones the announcers do not want to win. Our coach hates to see local older refs doing their games with Ontario. It has been talked about that the coach tries to control the calls with his actions. To my knowledge that last time a T was given to Balogh was by a ref that passed away years ago. |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 12, 2020 15:05:17 GMT -5
I think I'm going to apply to do scores & more for WMFD next year. I think they have zero preview for the highlights until they are actually aired for the rest of us. Their commentary is rather choppy. Of course, I don't know if my sports betting history would disqualify me from talking about amateur athletics. Meh.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 12, 2020 15:16:26 GMT -5
Dude, TV station located in Ontario. Owner lives in Ontario. Owner has kids in Ontario schools. TV station does all of Ontario's home basketball games. One announcer works in Ontario schools, other announcer is a Balogh disciple. WF has relative that works for WMFD. Kinda like Jim Donovan and Doug Dieken doing the Browns games. Dude has seen a minuscule number of Ontario games compared to WF. No one in Ontario, including Joe, thinks Supon has "supported" Ontario. Quite the opposite. When Supon looked at the bench he was looking to T up Joe if he slammed his coat down. Done that before. Over the years Supon has given out just as many Ts on Joe, if not more, than other officials. Supon lives in a community and went to a school that was more of a heated rival of Ontario in the day, than Lex is now. Other schools supported Supon's business just as much as Ontario. Donovan and Dieken are hired to call the game in part for being Browns fans. WMFDTV portrays themselves as supporting the Mansfield area and survives only from the support of every community. Even the ones the announcers do not want to win. Our coach hates to see local older refs doing their games with Ontario. It has been talked about that the coach tries to control the calls with his actions. To my knowledge that last time a T was given to Balogh was by a ref that passed away years ago. Donovan has done sports in Cleveland for over 30 years. Dieken played for the Browns for 14 years. The operative word is "portrays". WMFD used to be located in Mansfield, moved to Ontario like many businesses have over the years, purchased by an Ontario family. Left out that owner's kids play sports for Ontario. How many TV stations do high school soccer games? Just gave reasons why it is what it is, like it or not. I've never listened, but I've been told that ex-Coach Haas doing Willard radio games can be a little homer-ish. The play by play even makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end at times. Most years your coach needs more help than what a ref can give. ALL coaches try to control calls by their actions. Joe got one last year. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 12, 2020 15:23:23 GMT -5
I think I'm going to apply to do scores & more for WMFD next year. I think they have zero preview for the highlights until they are actually aired for the rest of us. Their commentary is rather choppy. Of course, I don't know if my sports betting history would disqualify me from talking about amateur athletics. Meh. The cameramen and reporters have 2 hours to get back to the station from the game, edit video, create narrative, mix the two and review before air time. With that said, I would think you could do better, if you aren't doing anything on Friday evenings. Are you better looking? |
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 12, 2020 15:59:08 GMT -5
Balogh can work a ref. I’ve said it before. I’d say he gets more calls than most.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 12, 2020 16:05:41 GMT -5
I think I'm going to apply to do scores & more for WMFD next year. I think they have zero preview for the highlights until they are actually aired for the rest of us. Their commentary is rather choppy. Of course, I don't know if my sports betting history would disqualify me from talking about amateur athletics. Meh. The cameramen and reporters have 2 hours to get back to the station from the game, edit video, create narrative, mix the two and review before air time. With that said, I would think you could do better, if you aren't doing anything on Friday evenings. Are you better looking? I'm all that AND more charming. I know I could at least crack a few jokes in there. Those guys have less emotional range than a rosary session at St. Mary's. I'm unemployed until baseball season kicks up again, so I could rehearse all my zingers! |
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 12, 2020 16:14:41 GMT -5
I think a high school kid trying to dunk on anything other than a clear break away with a lead is ONE of the most selfish things a kid can do. No way the hype > points on the board.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 12, 2020 17:10:32 GMT -5
Pleasant 53, Harding 49 OT
Clear Fork 60, Lex 57......CF a true Jekyll and Hyde team.
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Post by dude on Jan 12, 2020 20:51:13 GMT -5
The cameramen and reporters have 2 hours to get back to the station from the game, edit video, create narrative, mix the two and review before air time. With that said, I would think you could do better, if you aren't doing anything on Friday evenings. Are you better looking? I'm all that AND more charming. I know I could at least crack a few jokes in there. Those guys have less emotional range than a rosary session at St. Mary's. I'm unemployed until baseball season kicks up again, so I could rehearse all my zingers! You would do fine. Those guys travel with a single camera and work on their comments while the game is being played. Most of the coverage is well within an easy travel distance to allow plenty of time to return to the studio and get ready before the show starts. Plus if it is the game of the week they cut those highlights on site and do the voice over before leaving the gym. I recommend you shoot a can of your favorite brew before going on to be at your best. |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2020 12:10:01 GMT -5
I hate to be the guy who thinks the job is "so easy," because there is a degree of talent required to keep your nerves under control when getting in front of any broadcast/public forum. I have done a few speaking engagements associated with my baseball gambling operation since the season ended. I always record my talks so I can review them for any subconscious filler words. Even the low stakes talks got me a bit wound up before I begin, but I have a few mental tricks to keep my cadence tolerable.
WOSN (they cover Lima area sports) does a better job. Most of their highlights only come from one half of play, which tells me they have a lot more time to come up with their script for highlights. That being said, there is a little bit more bravado from their sportsdesk reporters.
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Post by dude on Jan 13, 2020 12:55:15 GMT -5
I hate to be the guy who thinks the job is "so easy," because there is a degree of talent required to keep your nerves under control when getting in front of any broadcast/public forum. I have done a few speaking engagements associated with my baseball gambling operation since the season ended. I always record my talks so I can review them for any subconscious filler words. Even the low stakes talks got me a bit wound up before I begin, but I have a few mental tricks to keep my cadence tolerable. WOSN (they cover Lima area sports) does a better job. Most of their highlights only come from one half of play, which tells me they have a lot more time to come up with their script for highlights. That being said, there is a little bit more bravado from their sportsdesk reporters. I wonder sometimes if the guys calling the games have ever played the game? That goes for every sport they cover and I'm not talking about community league in the 6th grade. |
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Post by gtab on Jan 13, 2020 14:27:49 GMT -5
River Valley 82 Galion 47 F Tough week for Galion. Lost by 36 to Pleasant and 35 to River Valley. The good news is our next game is 1/14 against Mt. Gilead. Should be a close one. Don't be too sure; Mt. Gilead is playing relatively decent ball this year. There are 5-2 in the KMAC and 6-6 overall. I think the Indians win this by at least 8 points. Galion cannot seem to get out of their own way. Alsip is scoring a bunch, but if it wasn't for him scoring 24.2 point/game, the Tigers would be "worse than bad". The JV team is in the same boat. It's been a long season already and there is no end in sight. **sigh** As for their Varsity, I'd say...…"Wait till Next Year!"; but with the JV team in that same boat, so...…... it's gonna be a few years before Galion is even "respectable". This saddens me greatly. |
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Post by gatesofbabylon25 on Jan 13, 2020 16:14:53 GMT -5
Saturday 1/11 Clear Fork 4-8 at Lexington 6-3 Galion 1-9 at River Valley 7-3 Pleasant 5-7 at Highland 6-4 Ontario 7-2 at Shelby 9-1 Tuesday 1/14 Fredericktown 4-5 at Clear Fork 4-7 Mt. Gilead 5-6 at Galion 1-9 Ontario 7-2 at Highland 1-9 Pleasant 5-7 at Centerburg 9-1 Buckeye Central 2-7 at River Valley 7-3 Think BV is at RV Tuesday. |
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Post by sweathog on Jan 13, 2020 16:17:59 GMT -5
Not a lot of good teams around this year in N-10 , OCC and MOAC
Wooster and Upper Sandusky are the best as I see it!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 13, 2020 16:48:47 GMT -5
I hate to be the guy who thinks the job is "so easy," because there is a degree of talent required to keep your nerves under control when getting in front of any broadcast/public forum. I have done a few speaking engagements associated with my baseball gambling operation since the season ended. I always record my talks so I can review them for any subconscious filler words. Even the low stakes talks got me a bit wound up before I begin, but I have a few mental tricks to keep my cadence tolerable. WOSN (they cover Lima area sports) does a better job. Most of their highlights only come from one half of play, which tells me they have a lot more time to come up with their script for highlights. That being said, there is a little bit more bravado from their sportsdesk reporters. I wonder sometimes if the guys calling the games have ever played the game? That goes for every sport they cover and I'm not talking about community league in the 6th grade. Did Joe Tate play the game? Would MJ be good at calling games? |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 13, 2020 16:57:09 GMT -5
Saturday 1/11 Clear Fork 4-8 at Lexington 6-3 Galion 1-9 at River Valley 7-3 Pleasant 5-7 at Highland 6-4 Ontario 7-2 at Shelby 9-1 Tuesday 1/14 Fredericktown 4-5 at Clear Fork 4-7 Mt. Gilead 5-6 at Galion 1-9 Ontario 7-2 at Highland 1-9 Pleasant 5-7 at Centerburg 9-1 Buckeye Valley 9-1 at River Valley 7-3 Think BV is at RV Tuesday. Thanks, I'll correct |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 13, 2020 19:46:53 GMT -5
Not a lot of good teams around this year in N-10 , OCC and MOAC Wooster and Upper Sandusky are the best as I see it! To be considered "good" must a team have 1 loss or fewer? If that's the case, Shelby is "good". |
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Post by gt1975 on Jan 14, 2020 19:58:54 GMT -5
Galion 18
Mt Gilead 5
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Post by gt1975 on Jan 14, 2020 20:22:30 GMT -5
Galion 37
Mt Gilead 16
Halftime
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Post by gt1975 on Jan 14, 2020 20:43:46 GMT -5
Galion 43
Mt Gilead 32
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Post by gt1975 on Jan 14, 2020 21:04:09 GMT -5
Galion 61
Mt Gilead 51
Final
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 14, 2020 21:32:49 GMT -5
Ontario-62
Highland-42
Final
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 14, 2020 21:49:04 GMT -5
Great win for the Whippets. Had no business winning this game but one hell of a fourth quarter. Looked like Ontario pulled a Norwalk against the Whippets. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 14, 2020 22:47:53 GMT -5
Great win for the Whippets. Had no business winning this game but one hell of a fourth quarter. Looked like Ontario pulled a Norwalk against the Whippets. Was Norwalk up by 19 with 5:30 to play in the 3rd? |
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Post by whippetfan on Jan 14, 2020 22:55:58 GMT -5
They weren’t up 19 in the fourth quarter. Third quarter yes.
I would be interested to know WF, in all the years of watching your beloved Warriors how many times they have blown that big of a lead in the last 10-12 minutes of play. Can’t imagine it’s happened very often.
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Kinda like Jim Donovan and Doug Dieken doing the Browns games. 
