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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 28, 2020 22:05:57 GMT -5
I’m not disagreeing with that assessment. That is the one knock I have on this coach. Just don’t know if he has the big game experience to know how to handle these situations. Shelbyrr11- thought you said you were buying? I'll buy a round - on Willard - next time we avoid blowing an 18 point halftime lead in a game. My word!
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 28, 2020 22:07:28 GMT -5
Shelby11 it was worth every penny of that 133 to see the look on your faces as you crawled out of the gym. For what it's worth, that may have brought my gambling earnings on the past 12 months to over $50,000. At least I get to crawl on jeans without holes in them.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 28, 2020 22:10:53 GMT -5
Shelby 31-20-9-13 - 73 Willard 15-18-19-26 - 78
Shelby (13-2): 29-64 FG, 8-14 FT, 7-21 3pt (Pugh 3, Devito, Gossom, Holloway, Hiatt), 30 rebounds (Pugh 9), 11 turnovers. Scoring: Jonny Devito 3 2-4 9, TJ Pugh 12 3-5 30, Cody Lantz 5 2-3 12, Grant Gossom 5 1-2 12, Jeremy Holloway 1 0-0 3, Grant Hiatt 2 0-0 5, Camden Walter 1 0-0 2.
Willard (13-2): 24-50 FG, 26-37 FT, 4-17 3pt (Parrott 2, Baldridge, Dawson), 39 rebounds (Baldridge 16), 15 turnovers. Scoring: Trey Paxton 2 6-7 10, Terry Baldridge 9 5-5 24, Myles Pinkston 3 4-9 10, Micah Dawson 2 0-0 5, Cooper Parrott 5 10-14 22, Austin Adelman 3 1-2 7.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 28, 2020 22:13:08 GMT -5
Shelby's biggest lead was 23 points and the last time that happened was after a 3-pointer to make it 45-22 with 4:09 left in the second quarter.
I will have more thoughts on this game later tonight after my brain settles for a little bit.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 28, 2020 22:14:06 GMT -5
As for my actual assessment:
Shelby's 3-pointer game in the first half was the best I've seen all year. In the second half? That's the Shelby we talk about on here.
Shelby thrives on moving the ball fast. Everyone in the gym saw how sluggish Shelby's offense gets in the half court game during that second half. Our guys quit driving the way they like to.
There were a lot of 'tweener calls that could have/have not been called that I don't really view as game-changing.
Every Shelby T was earned tonight.
I have won a 50/50 raffle in 2017, 2018, 2019, and now 2020. I am not even using my 50/50 prediction model for this stuff.
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Post by clb6110 on Jan 28, 2020 22:20:40 GMT -5
Buckeyekid said:Just my opinion---Heck of a game,,got my $6 worth along with CLB.
Agreed great fun game although cost me $12... Still helping out that son of mine. Ha. Funny how they forget their wallet.
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Post by maplecityjake on Jan 28, 2020 22:25:42 GMT -5
Both shot same ballpark number of 3s, but FT stats are getting my attention right now.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 28, 2020 22:25:59 GMT -5
Honestly a road map for success was made for Willard tonight I think in the 2nd half via 1st half adversity. Always have to respect a team that can come back when down big. But,,,you gotta learn to not repeat what got you behind in the first place. That is where good coaches set their kids up for success. Adapt adjust to your skill level and get the players to buy in.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 28, 2020 22:30:16 GMT -5
Shelby was aggressive on defense all night. Lots of fouls not called to be honest. You could see early 2nd quarter they were gonna get in foul trouble the way they were playing.
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Post by usramfan on Jan 28, 2020 22:43:46 GMT -5
Willard 78 Shelby 73 Final Loney gets T’d up with his team down 3 and 18 seconds left. Classic. He also got T'd up against Upper with about 10 seconds to go.
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Post by streak05 on Jan 28, 2020 22:46:15 GMT -5
Both shot same ballpark number of 3s, but FT stats are getting my attention right now. Likewise. Holy ****
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Post by usramfan on Jan 28, 2020 22:54:14 GMT -5
Definitely a tale of two halves. Shelby couldn’t put the ball in the basket in the second half. Went away from the defensive philosophies that worked in the first half. Allowed Parrot to get the ball instead of face guarding. But once agin I really have to question how the game is officiated. How one team has only five fouls and another has 10+ in a physical game is beyond me. Call at the end that Loney got T’d up on was flat out bad. Both players came down with the rebound and to say the Shelby kid fouled is just plain wrong. The intensity had been ratcheting up prior to that point but that is the straw that broke the camels back. Again, officials didn’t make Shelby lose a 20 point lead. Hopefully players and coaches learn from this and are better prepared when put into a situation like this again. Great high school BB environment. Reminded me of old school Shelby-Willard games Perhaps it's because that team fouled more than the other???
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 28, 2020 22:54:53 GMT -5
Shelby unquestionably fouled more. The question I don't care to find an answer to is how much more it really was.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 28, 2020 23:10:06 GMT -5
If the Pugh kid gets 30, Shelby wins. If the Baldridge kid gets 20, Willard wins. That's my predication and I'm sticking with it. And if both get to those numbers? As I was saying...
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 28, 2020 23:31:38 GMT -5
I was very disappointed in the Shelby fans tonight. I know there are bad fans in every town, but sitting two rows behind the scorer’s table and yelling at the officials that they are stupid MFers, and that Parrott is a stupid punk, and that Shelby players should knock the Willard players over next time, is just not acceptable. No wonder we have an issue...
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Post by bat21 on Jan 28, 2020 23:53:51 GMT -5
Similar styles of play Willard should win by 10 or so but I have been wrong on the Flashes a couple times recently. Don’t feel bad about that ... its only because you’re clueless when it comes to Willard.
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Post by bat21 on Jan 28, 2020 23:58:03 GMT -5
Shelby face guarding Parrott all over the floor. Other than his three at the half buzzer most of his points are coming at the line. Wouldn’t surprise me if he hails off and smacks a Shelby defender. They are getting under his skin Well ... he didn’t. Better than can be said for No 12 ... who clearly couldn’t handle Coop getting in his little head.
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Post by bat21 on Jan 29, 2020 0:02:29 GMT -5
No but your hard-on for Willard is still there. Oh my they are down 18 to an inferior team at home and I call them out. They recover and beat a so so Shelby team at home yeah. I’m so jealous of their success that’s it. A so so team? Did they only have one loss? Damn ... you standards are pretty high for a so so team.
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Post by bat21 on Jan 29, 2020 0:05:32 GMT -5
wow didn’t know that, I was just going by halftime score. That makes it even better. Team showed some real grit tonite, definitely a good win. Shout out to the coaches for keeping the boys heads in it and making the right adjustments. #1 did great tonight ... knockin down clutch free throws when they were needed most.
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Post by bat21 on Jan 29, 2020 0:14:05 GMT -5
I can rest easy knowing that I took all of your town's grubby money in the 50/50 raffle and that our women are prettier than your women. I got $133 burning a hole in my pocket for that one. You coulda bought me a beer before you left ... Enjoy
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Post by Taxman on Jan 29, 2020 6:35:42 GMT -5
Definitely a tale of two halves. Shelby couldn’t put the ball in the basket in the second half. Went away from the defensive philosophies that worked in the first half. Allowed Parrot to get the ball instead of face guarding. But once agin I really have to question how the game is officiated. How one team has only five fouls and another has 10+ in a physical game is beyond me. Call at the end that Loney got T’d up on was flat out bad. Both players came down with the rebound and to say the Shelby kid fouled is just plain wrong. The intensity had been ratcheting up prior to that point but that is the straw that broke the camels back. Again, officials didn’t make Shelby lose a 20 point lead. Hopefully players and coaches learn from this and are better prepared when put into a situation like this again. Great high school BB environment. Reminded me of old school Shelby-Willard games When you go over the back, it's a FOUL! The call that got under all shelby's skin was correct call the ref didn't hesitate. Coach's T broke your back and Parrot did a great job of keeping his composure!! As far as old school shelby Willard games.... I don't think you ever beat Haas and how many years was it until you did beat Willard? Go back to the Sigfried days maybe?
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 29, 2020 7:38:15 GMT -5
Definitely a tale of two halves. Shelby couldn’t put the ball in the basket in the second half. Went away from the defensive philosophies that worked in the first half. Allowed Parrot to get the ball instead of face guarding. But once agin I really have to question how the game is officiated. How one team has only five fouls and another has 10+ in a physical game is beyond me. Call at the end that Loney got T’d up on was flat out bad. Both players came down with the rebound and to say the Shelby kid fouled is just plain wrong. The intensity had been ratcheting up prior to that point but that is the straw that broke the camels back. Again, officials didn’t make Shelby lose a 20 point lead. Hopefully players and coaches learn from this and are better prepared when put into a situation like this again. Great high school BB environment. Reminded me of old school Shelby-Willard games When you go over the back, it's a FOUL! The call that got under all shelby's skin was correct call the ref didn't hesitate. Coach's T broke your back and Parrot did a great job of keeping his composure!! As far as old school shelby Willard games.... I don't think you ever beat Haas and how many years was it until you did beat Willard? Go back to the Sigfried days maybe? Over the back? That's not an actual call, you just can't initiate a certain level of contact that occurs when an "over the back" is called. Shelbys guy came at the ball from the side and it was very clearly a tie up. How many tie ups do you see happen on an "over the back?" The Shelby player wasn't bear hugging the Willard kid from behind to try to hold possession. I don't even want to argue this because it was one call in the whole game but you had everyone from the loonies to the calm folks in Shelby incredulous on that one.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 29, 2020 8:13:58 GMT -5
It was a tale of 2 halves. Shelby made everything in the 1st quarter especially. Willard was lethargic in the 1st half and had moments where they played well, but couldn't put good possessions back to back. Had I would guess 8 just awful shots that were of the fade away 3 and other guys who aren't high % 3 point shooters continuing to take them when open,,and continuing to miss. 2nd half Shelby kept shooting 3's but starting missing and Willard began to pound the ball inside. They took the wide open three when there, but mostly worked the ball for a high % shot. Also as Haas noted post game,,Willard outrebounded Shelby by I think 12 in the 2nd half which was big. Willard finally caught a break with a ridiculously lucky made 2 pointer by Skeeter at the 3rd quarter buzzer to cut the lead to 8. The momentum stayed with Willard in the 4th and Shelby looked really tired and frustrated and had turnovers and Willard just took advantage and played better. Shelby's #12 was a knuckle head and fouled out,,almost in the 3rd quarter. He lasted about 20 seconds in the 4th before getting a foul, his 5th. The Shelby coached kinda blew it with the T with 18 seconds left. No excuse on his part. His youth caught up with him. Willard as I see has a few things to work on. If they are smart and I know Coach B and Hirsch have forgot more about hoops than I'll ever know,,but 4 things stood out to me. 1---Tell your Senior Captain to stop it with the fade away 3 pointers that go in 10% of the time. Open 3's you take,but not low % 3's. 2---Guys like Paxton who shoot 15% from 3,,,stop shooting them even if wide open--be a facilitator of the offense and try hard to set up for a better shot or look to drive and draw a foul as it appears he shoots FT's well. 3--- Put Skeeter down low. Inside with Skeeter and Pinkston,,,outside with Parrot. Huge difference in the 2nd half with this mindset. A blue print to a strong offensive is right there. Let Skeeter get wide open 3's in transition or the occasional one that becomes available. But dang,,the kid is 6'8" and has long arms and a nice touch around the basket. Same with Pinkston,,get the dirty work baskets but get near the basket. 4---Let Paxton bring the ball up the court and let Cooper be the guy getting open off a screen and then dribble drive to the hoop and get an open 15 foot shot or dump it inside to Skeeter in the paint. This will allow Cooper to not spend so much energy just getting the ball up court. Just my opinion---Heck of a game,,got my $6 worth along with CLB. Guys like Paxton need to keep shooting the "open" 3, especially when wide open. He gets 6 or 8 shots total a game on the average, and we will need those 3's down the road. Yea, he's slumping the last 3 or 4 games, but shooters have to shoot their way out of a slump. Good thing he had the confidence to shoot them against Norwalk and Huron. 😉 Facilitator of the offense? You haven't seen enuf games BK. We've got 2 of those already, and they dont hesitate to let him know about it.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 29, 2020 8:24:27 GMT -5
You have a point C5. Something I didn't mention last night about Paxton is the ice in his veins on the FT's when they really mattered. Same for CP and TB. Really critical to make those when they did. The game was on the line and they made almost all of them. Kudos to those 3 kids for staying calm and knocking them down when they absolutely had to.
It really was a pretty incredible game against our rival. It's one of those games that will stick with you for awhile.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 29, 2020 8:32:45 GMT -5
Agree, the seniors showed up big last nite, especially in the 4th qtr. When the two of them are locked in mentally, and playing unselfish team ball, they make us a really good team. Was alot of fun last night to watch.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 29, 2020 8:41:59 GMT -5
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Post by Taxman on Jan 29, 2020 9:35:17 GMT -5
Definitely a tale of two halves. Shelby couldn’t put the ball in the basket in the second half. Went away from the defensive philosophies that worked in the first half. Allowed Parrot to get the ball instead of face guarding. But once agin I really have to question how the game is officiated. How one team has only five fouls and another has 10+ in a physical game is beyond me. Call at the end that Loney got T’d up on was flat out bad. Both players came down with the rebound and to say the Shelby kid fouled is just plain wrong. The intensity had been ratcheting up prior to that point but that is the straw that broke the camels back. Again, officials didn’t make Shelby lose a 20 point lead. Hopefully players and coaches learn from this and are better prepared when put into a situation like this again. Great high school BB environment. Reminded me of old school Shelby-Willard games When you go over the back, it's a FOUL! The call that got under all shelby's skin was correct call the ref didn't hesitate. Coach's T broke your back and Parrot did a great job of keeping his composure!! As far as old school shelby Willard games.... I don't think you ever beat Haas and how many years was it until you did beat Willard? Go back to the Sigfried days maybe? Attachments:
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Post by Taxman on Jan 29, 2020 9:38:22 GMT -5
Little blurry but should have had a saddle on Myles!
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 29, 2020 9:54:05 GMT -5
Willard storms back to stun Shelby, highlights from OHReport:
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 29, 2020 9:55:31 GMT -5
Little blurry but should have had a saddle on Myles! Said play is around the 7:49 mark of the video from OHReport that I just posted.
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