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Post by utsherman on Jan 29, 2020 10:31:33 GMT -5
Definitely a tale of two halves. Shelby couldn’t put the ball in the basket in the second half. Went away from the defensive philosophies that worked in the first half. Allowed Parrot to get the ball instead of face guarding. But once agin I really have to question how the game is officiated. How one team has only five fouls and another has 10+ in a physical game is beyond me. Call at the end that Loney got T’d up on was flat out bad. Both players came down with the rebound and to say the Shelby kid fouled is just plain wrong. The intensity had been ratcheting up prior to that point but that is the straw that broke the camels back. Again, officials didn’t make Shelby lose a 20 point lead. Hopefully players and coaches learn from this and are better prepared when put into a situation like this again. Great high school BB environment. Reminded me of old school Shelby-Willard games When you go over the back, it's a FOUL! The call that got under all shelby's skin was correct call the ref didn't hesitate. Coach's T broke your back and Parrot did a great job of keeping his composure!! As far as old school shelby Willard games.... I don't think you ever beat Haas and how many years was it until you did beat Willard? Go back to the Sigfried days maybe? Nah, Mohr beat Hass in 1991. |
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Post by utsherman on Jan 29, 2020 10:41:38 GMT -5
When you go over the back, it's a FOUL! The call that got under all shelby's skin was correct call the ref didn't hesitate. Coach's T broke your back and Parrot did a great job of keeping his composure!! As far as old school shelby Willard games.... I don't think you ever beat Haas and how many years was it until you did beat Willard? Go back to the Sigfried days maybe? Nah, Mohr beat Hass in 1991. Oh, and twice during the 89-90 season. |
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Post by fcc108 on Jan 29, 2020 12:46:15 GMT -5
#12 seemed like a dirty player to me , in the OH report u can see him purposely tackle Baldridge and then something with him and cooper. It’s a shame players have to play like this
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 29, 2020 13:25:18 GMT -5
Great video work.
Makes the comeback look even more impressive.
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Post by xlegend on Jan 29, 2020 13:54:40 GMT -5
Honestly a road map for success was made for Willard tonight I think in the 2nd half via 1st half adversity. Always have to respect a team that can come back when down big. But,,,you gotta learn to not repeat what got you behind in the first place. That is where good coaches set their kids up for success. Adapt adjust to your skill level and get the players to buy in. the road map is this.get the ball inside.cp is 6'3 and strong.coop also has game on the block.tb is 6'8 and long and athletic.i have to give Joe a lot of credit by getting the ball inside.our bread and butter is that.it gives defenses fits.we scored 48 points in the second half and only made 2 three pointers.the kids can get to the rim and either we make the shot or we get fouled.getting to the line is easy points.the kids really stepped up with key free throws.i will say that every foul that was called by the refs was actually a foul. We were the more aggressive team in the second half.lets keep pounding it inside and shoot the three when we are open.shout out to trey for making key free throws down the stretch.not easy to do especially only being a sophomore.nice.joe and hirsh deserve a lot credit for this one.this should catapult us for the rest of the season. Our kids do didn't blink go flashes |
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 29, 2020 14:34:26 GMT -5
I can’t argue.
The 2nd half was pretty sweet to watch.
Looked like a totally different team.
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 29, 2020 16:40:55 GMT -5
#12 seemed like a dirty player to me , in the OH report u can see him purposely tackle Baldridge and then something with him and cooper. It’s a shame players have to play like this One of the nicest kids you’ll meet. If you had a daughter you’d be ok if she brought him home. I wasn’t there, but reading this has been a hoot. Basketball isn’t the same as when most posters played. It’s a physical game. If you can’t finish with contact you’re in trouble because you aren’t going to get a call for every love tap. Dirty player?!? I’m sure he was told to stay nose to nose with the leading scorer and he did just that. It sounds a little like the officials tightened up the foul calling in the second half. That’s one of my biggest complaints about refs. Call it tight or call it loose, but don’t change from one half to the other. Kids have trouble hitting a moving target. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 29, 2020 17:37:23 GMT -5
I was very disappointed in the Shelby fans tonight. I know there are bad fans in every town, but sitting two rows behind the scorer’s table and yelling at the officials that they are stupid MFers, and that Parrott is a stupid punk, and that Shelby players should knock the Willard players over next time, is just not acceptable. No wonder we have an issue... Just now? |
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 29, 2020 17:37:30 GMT -5
Shelby kids were extremely physical the entire game. They were enthusiastic and full of energy and it showed on the scoreboard. The only problem was they were accumulating fouls as they played in your face defense. Sometimes they got steals and sometimes they got called for fouls. Sometimes the ref let it go.
They didn't ever change the way they played even as Willard was cutting into the lead. I don't think even one time did they work the ball for 20 seconds and take a little time off the clock, it cost them because they essentially never adjusted their mindset in spite of the score.
They lost because they absolutely lost their composure in the 2nd half. A number of times they threw it away, and they also started missing shots.
Their coach sealed their fate with that T imo.
Regarding #12,, might be a nice kid. He was very fiery and intense and probably a bit over the top as he tried to be physical and was called for fouls.
Looked like a kid that was probably a better Football player than bb player.
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Post by fcc108 on Jan 29, 2020 17:47:20 GMT -5
#12 seemed like a dirty player to me , in the OH report u can see him purposely tackle Baldridge and then something with him and cooper. It’s a shame players have to play like this One of the nicest kids you’ll meet. If you had a daughter you’d be ok if she brought him home. I wasn’t there, but reading this has been a hoot. Basketball isn’t the same as when most posters played. It’s a physical game. If you can’t finish with contact you’re in trouble because you aren’t going to get a call for every love tap. Dirty player?!? I’m sure he was told to stay nose to nose with the leading scorer and he did just that. It sounds a little like the officials tightened up the foul calling in the second half. That’s one of my biggest complaints about refs. Call it tight or call it loose, but don’t change from one half to the other. Kids have trouble hitting a moving target. I agree he seems like he could be a nice kid by the way some of his post game interviews have been on OH report, but on and off the court some players actions and the way they act are sometimes a lot different |
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Post by clb6110 on Jan 29, 2020 18:00:31 GMT -5
I was very disappointed in the Shelby fans tonight. I know there are bad fans in every town, but sitting two rows behind the scorer’s table and yelling at the officials that they are stupid MFers, and that Parrott is a stupid punk, and that Shelby players should knock the Willard players over next time, is just not acceptable. No wonder we have an issue... Just now? There were some things said to a Willard player while shooting fouls that were also uncalled for. Now I'm not new school text acronyms so this had to be explained to me but lets not call out a kids parent. BTW If someone could explain to me what the Willard student section chanted to DeVito while he was getting ready to shoot FT at the Willard end I'd like to know. He sure laughed before he shot his 1st......Maybe it was the same acronym and if so Willard is wrong too. IDK(pun intended) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 19:42:36 GMT -5
What a devastating loss, Blowing a 23 point lead, Even Margaretta didn't do that.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jan 29, 2020 20:56:05 GMT -5
Shelby looked like world beaters the first half. Seriously looked like a well oiled machine. But they were getting into foul trouble, and I told CLB,,their starters have all got 2 fouls except one. It's gonna bite them in the second half. Willard coaches changed the landscape at halftime and made adjustments. Shelby did not. I couldn't believe how fast and reckless they played with a double digit lead in the 3rd. The more I think about it, Hirsch and Joe B outcoached em significantly in the 2nd half. I said this in a previous post, I hope we see more of what we saw in the 2nd half vs Oak Harbor.
1st Half we looked like a hot mess.
2nd half we looked like a Regional team that will be a tough out for somebody in BG.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 29, 2020 21:43:24 GMT -5
These Willard fans complaining about Shelby playing too rough while their football team goes 23-77 this decade. Must not be used to seeing toughness in Willard! What's with the character attacks on #12? Oh no he sHoVeD oUr PlAyEr??? What kind of person would DO that. How on earth do we let him into our town! What a monster! Clearly not a well-raised kid from the bastion of Willard, OH.
Jeez some of you really like being hoity-toity about playstyles after barely winning a game. Y'all are good but the virtue signaling going on is nauseating. Maybe it's because I went to college and have seen keg-stand heroes become a CPA in my lifetime. People will be fine, on both teams.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 29, 2020 23:56:43 GMT -5
These Willard fans complaining about Shelby playing too rough while their football team goes 23-77 this decade. Must not be used to seeing toughness in Willard! What's with the character attacks on #12? Oh no he sHoVeD oUr PlAyEr??? What kind of person would DO that. How on earth do we let him into our town! What a monster! Clearly not a well-raised kid from the bastion of Willard, OH. Jeez some of you really like being hoity-toity about playstyles after barely winning a game. Y'all are good but the virtue signaling going on is nauseating. Maybe it's because I went to college and have seen keg-stand heroes become a CPA in my lifetime. People will be fine, on both teams. A "hoity toity" post if I ever saw one. |
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 30, 2020 6:30:56 GMT -5
So the standard is 15-17 year old kids in the heat of battle must maintain their composer and never let their emotions get the better of them, but fully grown anonymous adults with time to think about things can be as petty as they want on a message board with absolutely no pressure on them. I see. Makes sense.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 30, 2020 7:38:26 GMT -5
So the standard it 15-17 year old kids in the heat of battle must maintain their composer and never let their emotions get the better of them, but fully grown anonymous adults with time to think about things can be as petty as they want on a message board with absolutely no pressure on them. I see. Makes sense. The "heat of the battle" has little to do with taking cheap shots (watch the film, its obvious), yet alone using racial slurs to try to intimidate a player....fact! |
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 30, 2020 8:33:54 GMT -5
I was very disappointed in the Shelby fans tonight. I know there are bad fans in every town, but sitting two rows behind the scorer’s table and yelling at the officials that they are stupid MFers, and that Parrott is a stupid punk, and that Shelby players should knock the Willard players over next time, is just not acceptable. No wonder we have an issue... Just now? Oh Lord no. Unfortunately Shelby fans are usually up there as the toughest to sit and listen to night in and night out. There is no reason to be SCREAMING "You stupid MFer" to the officials. It is more disappointing that no administration in Shelby took action. And they wonder why we have an issue with officials... |
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Post by dude on Jan 30, 2020 8:53:05 GMT -5
So the standard it 15-17 year old kids in the heat of battle must maintain their composer and never let their emotions get the better of them, but fully grown anonymous adults with time to think about things can be as petty as they want on a message board with absolutely no pressure on them. I see. Makes sense. The "heat of the battle" has little to do with taking cheap shots (watch the film, its obvious), yet alone using racial slurs to try to intimidate a player....fact! Is there ever a good time for a "cheap shot?" The expectation should always be composer and good play. Unfortunately the coaches set the "standard" and some do not do a good job of that. |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 30, 2020 11:24:27 GMT -5
The "heat of the battle" has little to do with taking cheap shots (watch the film, its obvious), yet alone using racial slurs to try to intimidate a player....fact! Is there ever a good time for a "cheap shot?" The expectation should always be composer and good play. Unfortunately the coaches set the "standard" and some do not do a good job of that. I'll say there isn't ever a good time for a cheap shot and I don't know what goes on in the coach's saddle, for better or for worse. The cheap shot wound up setting Shelby back considerably in the game, so let's stop acting like we got away with something. It probably cost us the win. This is game #5 I have seen for Shelby, and I haven't seen anything like this in any of the other games. The second Ontario game for Shelby had plenty of moments for high-stakes, hectic, loud moments that could have caused Shelby to be chippy with Ontario. Didn't happen. People don't go shoving people out of nowhere, there is usually a mutual displeasure with one another. I saw Ontario and Shelby players helping each other up in the second half. Ontario has players that Shelby could have made racial slurs to I'm sure. Then again, Shelby ALSO has a player that you can lob a racial slur towards. I saw no such issues. Not even a whisper of one. But then again, we all know how Shelby devolves into madness without reason when we go into the moral high-grounds known as Bob Haas Gymnasium. Incredible how that is. Without prompting, we turn into violent thugs who try to harm others. |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 30, 2020 11:32:49 GMT -5
These Willard fans complaining about Shelby playing too rough while their football team goes 23-77 this decade. Must not be used to seeing toughness in Willard! What's with the character attacks on #12? Oh no he sHoVeD oUr PlAyEr??? What kind of person would DO that. How on earth do we let him into our town! What a monster! Clearly not a well-raised kid from the bastion of Willard, OH. Jeez some of you really like being hoity-toity about playstyles after barely winning a game. Y'all are good but the virtue signaling going on is nauseating. Maybe it's because I went to college and have seen keg-stand heroes become a CPA in my lifetime. People will be fine, on both teams. A "hoity toity" post if I ever saw one. I must be hoity toity for going to college and starting my own business (the American Dream!) while you are on here playing victim and crying because of a cheap shot that led to a technical that led to a momentum shift that won you the game. We beat Perkins at Districts my senior year in basketball and their students were trying to start a fight after the game with me and my classmates. We kept on walking. We had won. You clearly have a hard time letting this go without taking someone down with you. Using a word from the late, great, Kobe Bryant: soft. |
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 30, 2020 11:55:20 GMT -5
A "hoity toity" post if I ever saw one. You clearly have a hard time letting this go without taking someone down with you. Pot, meet kettle.
Also, at least have the right date that you won the 50/50. There was only one high school basketball game in Northwest Ohio on January 29th, 2020 and I doubt you were in Carey last night.
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Post by dude on Jan 30, 2020 12:18:56 GMT -5
Is there ever a good time for a "cheap shot?" The expectation should always be composer and good play. Unfortunately the coaches set the "standard" and some do not do a good job of that. I'll say there isn't ever a good time for a cheap shot and I don't know what goes on in the coach's saddle, for better or for worse. The cheap shot wound up setting Shelby back considerably in the game, so let's stop acting like we got away with something. It probably cost us the win. This is game #5 I have seen for Shelby, and I haven't seen anything like this in any of the other games. The second Ontario game for Shelby had plenty of moments for high-stakes, hectic, loud moments that could have caused Shelby to be chippy with Ontario. Didn't happen. People don't go shoving people out of nowhere, there is usually a mutual displeasure with one another. I saw Ontario and Shelby players helping each other up in the second half. Ontario has players that Shelby could have made racial slurs to I'm sure. Then again, Shelby ALSO has a player that you can lob a racial slur towards. I saw no such issues. Not even a whisper of one. But then again, we all know how Shelby devolves into madness without reason when we go into the moral high-grounds known as Bob Haas Gymnasium. Incredible how that is. Without prompting, we turn into violent thugs who try to harm others. All true. In this specific game it was between two traditional rivals and one of the teams coaching staff is controlled by someone who was a park of that tradition so that MAY have made a difference in the examples you gave in the Ontario game that did not happen. Willard players may have been a little more energized with emotion for this game, specially during the great comeback. |
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Post by dude on Jan 30, 2020 12:26:34 GMT -5
Also, at least have the right date that you won the 50/50. There was only one high school basketball game in Northwest Ohio on January 29th, 2020 and I doubt you were in Carey last night.
He posted that he had won a 50/50 in 2020. He did not give the date or the game but his post was made on Jan 28. |
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 30, 2020 13:15:22 GMT -5
So the standard it 15-17 year old kids in the heat of battle must maintain their composer and never let their emotions get the better of them, but fully grown anonymous adults with time to think about things can be as petty as they want on a message board with absolutely no pressure on them. I see. Makes sense. The "heat of the battle" has little to do with taking cheap shots (watch the film, its obvious), yet alone using racial slurs to try to intimidate a player....fact! Way to double down. What you’re suggesting is that you are aware of all of the exchanges that went down in the game and that Shelby is the only team that said anything inappropriate. Were the players miked up? Did you play sports? Did you ever get chippy? I’m 49 and still play. 1-2 times a year I have a heated exchange with someone I know and like. When it’s over we shake hands and put it behind us. If you’re passionate about something it’ll happen. Having said that IF you directly and without a doubt heard a racial slur there is NO place for that. I can be pretty sure the comments made to Devito and if I’m right they are only slightly less heinous than a racial slur. |
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 30, 2020 13:39:37 GMT -5
A "hoity toity" post if I ever saw one. I must be hoity toity for going to college and starting my own business (the American Dream!) while you are on here playing victim and crying because of a cheap shot that led to a technical that led to a momentum shift that won you the game. We beat Perkins at Districts my senior year in basketball and their students were trying to start a fight after the game with me and my classmates. We kept on walking. We had won. You clearly have a hard time letting this go without taking someone down with you. Using a word from the late, great, Kobe Bryant: soft. I was fine with letting this go as "kids being kids", until you started running you mouth and making excuses. |
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 30, 2020 13:40:20 GMT -5
Also, at least have the right date that you won the 50/50. There was only one high school basketball game in Northwest Ohio on January 29th, 2020 and I doubt you were in Carey last night.
He posted that he had won a 50/50 in 2020. He did not give the date or the game but his post was made on Jan 28. Look at his signature at the bottom of all of his posts. |
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 30, 2020 13:49:00 GMT -5
I must be hoity toity for going to college and starting my own business (the American Dream!) while you are on here playing victim and crying because of a cheap shot that led to a technical that led to a momentum shift that won you the game. We beat Perkins at Districts my senior year in basketball and their students were trying to start a fight after the game with me and my classmates. We kept on walking. We had won. You clearly have a hard time letting this go without taking someone down with you. Using a word from the late, great, Kobe Bryant: soft. I was fine with letting this go as "kids being kids", until you started running you mouth and making excuses. There it is. I knew you had it in you. |
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Post by whippetfan on Jan 30, 2020 14:01:45 GMT -5
I played in this rivalry and do things get ratcheted up a few notches versus other games on the schedule? You bet they do. And that is the way rivalry games should be. Ask anyone who has played any competitive sports in their lives if there isn’t that one game on the schedule every year that gets special attention versus all the others. Are a players emotions going to be higher during these games? You bet they are? Will a 15-18 year old kid lose it in a stressful situation. Absolutely. # 12 for Shelby is a good kid with a very solid family behind him. I’ve watched him play FB and BB for the last four years and he only knows one speed, and that is all out. He is the kind of player every team needs to be that sparkplug. So few kids have that characteristic and I commend him and it’s been fun watching him. Did he lose his cool at the end? Yep. Did I say during the game it would be the other way around? Yep. If you want to tear me down for being wrong and sharing my opinion have at it. Shelby has a nice team with an inexperienced coach who has his kids playing hard and as a fan for many years that is what I want to see. If they win more than they lose and kids keep coming out every year and the program maintains its success then I’m a happy man.
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Post by utsherman on Jan 30, 2020 14:08:15 GMT -5
Oh Lord no. Unfortunately Shelby fans are usually up there as the toughest to sit and listen to night in and night out. There is no reason to be SCREAMING "You stupid MFer" to the officials. It is more disappointing that no administration in Shelby took action. And they wonder why we have an issue with officials... Nice use of language collectives here. And congrats on calling out an entire fanbase. I know folks who attended the game and didn’t lob insults or scream at officials. I’m sure they appreciate being lumped into your disappointing experience. Perhaps you should consider skipping Shelby games moving forward if it’s that painful. I’m sure someone else is capable of posting a box score. |
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