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Post by crimson5 on Jan 30, 2020 14:23:10 GMT -5
The "heat of the battle" has little to do with taking cheap shots (watch the film, its obvious), yet alone using racial slurs to try to intimidate a player....fact! Way to double down. What you’re suggesting is that you are aware of all of the exchanges that went down in the game and that Shelby is the only team that said anything inappropriate. Were the players miked up? Did you play sports? Did you ever get chippy? I’m 49 and still play. 1-2 times a year I have a heated exchange with someone I know and like. When it’s over we shake hands and put it behind us. If you’re passionate about something it’ll happen. Having said that IF you directly and without a doubt heard a racial slur there is NO place for that. I can be pretty sure the comments made to Devito and if I’m right they are only slightly less heinous than a racial slur. Again, excuses for inexcusable behavior. Yes, I played sports.....basketball, cross country, baseball and track, all conference in all 4. It has little to do with understanding bad behavior in the heat of the moment. Did I get chirpy at times, rarely, if ever. Bob Haas would not tolerate it. Do we have a few kids that get a little too chirpy....of course. Did I hear first hand the comments made to Myles, of course not. I have no reason to not believe the player who sits at my dinner table every nite. The comments were inexcusable. Anyone that says otherwise is just revealing their own character.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 30, 2020 14:43:33 GMT -5
You clearly have a hard time letting this go without taking someone down with you. Pot, meet kettle.
Also, at least have the right date that you won the 50/50. There was only one high school basketball game in Northwest Ohio on January 29th, 2020 and I doubt you were in Carey last night.
Bro, I'm mad at the game but I didn't start lobbing critiques and insults at the players on Willard. I didn't call their fans outrageous. I didn't accuse anyone of racism. I didn't scream at the ref of being a mfer (I was in the top row, I know how to moderate my behavior). I didn't do anything but push back on those accusations based on what I know from attending games. Who am I taking down? Crimson5 seems worried about #12. Who have I seemed worried about? I'll fix my 50/50 signature. I was distracted by thinking of how many cartons of eggs I could buy to pelt Crimson5's house with using that 50/50 money. HA
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 30, 2020 14:48:10 GMT -5
Way to double down. What you’re suggesting is that you are aware of all of the exchanges that went down in the game and that Shelby is the only team that said anything inappropriate. Were the players miked up? Did you play sports? Did you ever get chippy? I’m 49 and still play. 1-2 times a year I have a heated exchange with someone I know and like. When it’s over we shake hands and put it behind us. If you’re passionate about something it’ll happen. Having said that IF you directly and without a doubt heard a racial slur there is NO place for that. I can be pretty sure the comments made to Devito and if I’m right they are only slightly less heinous than a racial slur. Again, excuses for inexcusable behavior. Yes, I played sports.....basketball, cross country, baseball and track, all conference in all 4. It has little to do with understanding bad behavior in the heat of the moment. Did I get chirpy at times, rarely, if ever. Bob Haas would not tolerate it. Do we have a few kids that get a little too chirpy....of course. Did I hear first hand the comments made to Myles, of course not. I have no reason to not believe the player who sits at my dinner table every nite. The comments were inexcusable. Anyone that says otherwise is just revealing their own character. Again, I want to clarify your stance. Because you know the kid personally there is no way he may have made an inflammatory comment and the Shelby kid responded in kind? By your logic I know almost all the kids on Shelby’s team. Some have also been to my house. I’ve played against them. Does that mean if I tell you they didn’t say anything wrong I’m automatically right? In your world that kid is going to walk into your house and spontaneously admit that he dropped the F bomb directed at the Shelby kid. Are you his priest? It may be comfortable in your world where you are completely sure that everything is as you believe. In my world I realize most things are shades of gray.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 30, 2020 14:50:10 GMT -5
I'll say there isn't ever a good time for a cheap shot and I don't know what goes on in the coach's saddle, for better or for worse. The cheap shot wound up setting Shelby back considerably in the game, so let's stop acting like we got away with something. It probably cost us the win. This is game #5 I have seen for Shelby, and I haven't seen anything like this in any of the other games. The second Ontario game for Shelby had plenty of moments for high-stakes, hectic, loud moments that could have caused Shelby to be chippy with Ontario. Didn't happen. People don't go shoving people out of nowhere, there is usually a mutual displeasure with one another. I saw Ontario and Shelby players helping each other up in the second half. Ontario has players that Shelby could have made racial slurs to I'm sure. Then again, Shelby ALSO has a player that you can lob a racial slur towards. I saw no such issues. Not even a whisper of one. But then again, we all know how Shelby devolves into madness without reason when we go into the moral high-grounds known as Bob Haas Gymnasium. Incredible how that is. Without prompting, we turn into violent thugs who try to harm others. All true. In this specific game it was between two traditional rivals and one of the teams coaching staff is controlled by someone who was a park of that tradition so that MAY have made a difference in the examples you gave in the Ontario game that did not happen. Willard players may have been a little more energized with emotion for this game, specially during the great comeback. All true as well. I know from many coaches, teachers, and students themselves that Shelby teams don't necessarily view this as a rivalry anymore. There hasn't been a meaningful Shelby vs Willard football game in over ten years. Shelby won almost every single regular season game against Willard from 2006 to 2017 or so, and it wasn't exactly high caliber teams that Shelby had most of those years. Anything that these players on Shelby know about the rivalry would come from adults. I wouldn't be surprised if Willard kids had the same ideation of things. I think Shelby kids have shifted their focus to Ontario and Clear Fork as far as rivalries go.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 30, 2020 14:55:32 GMT -5
Pot, meet kettle.
Also, at least have the right date that you won the 50/50. There was only one high school basketball game in Northwest Ohio on January 29th, 2020 and I doubt you were in Carey last night.
Bro, I'm mad at the game but I didn't start lobbing critiques and insults at the players on Willard. I didn't call their fans outrageous. I didn't accuse anyone of racism. I didn't scream at the ref of being a mfer (I was in the top row, I know how to moderate my behavior). I didn't do anything but push back on those accusations based on what I know from attending games. Who am I taking down? Crimson5 seems worried about #12. Who have I seemed worried about? I'll fix my 50/50 signature. I was distracted by thinking of how many cartons of eggs I could buy to pelt Crimson5's house with using that 50/50 money. HA That was funny. I'm not worried about #12, those of you in the know speak highly of him, so I can accept the heat of the moment excuse. I did not say 'he' used racial slurs. In fact, I was not specific about the # of the foul mouthed player intentionally.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 30, 2020 14:59:46 GMT -5
Bro, I'm mad at the game but I didn't start lobbing critiques and insults at the players on Willard. I didn't call their fans outrageous. I didn't accuse anyone of racism. I didn't scream at the ref of being a mfer (I was in the top row, I know how to moderate my behavior). I didn't do anything but push back on those accusations based on what I know from attending games. Who am I taking down? Crimson5 seems worried about #12. Who have I seemed worried about? I'll fix my 50/50 signature. I was distracted by thinking of how many cartons of eggs I could buy to pelt Crimson5's house with using that 50/50 money. HA That was funny. I'm not worried about #12, those of you in the know speak highly of him, so I can accept the heat of the moment excuse. I did not say 'he' used racial slurs. In fact, I was not specific about the # of the foul mouthed player intentionally. Ah, understood. I assumed it was implied it was him that we were talking about for racial slurs. My mistake.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 30, 2020 15:12:27 GMT -5
Again, excuses for inexcusable behavior. Yes, I played sports.....basketball, cross country, baseball and track, all conference in all 4. It has little to do with understanding bad behavior in the heat of the moment. Did I get chirpy at times, rarely, if ever. Bob Haas would not tolerate it. Do we have a few kids that get a little too chirpy....of course. Did I hear first hand the comments made to Myles, of course not. I have no reason to not believe the player who sits at my dinner table every nite. The comments were inexcusable. Anyone that says otherwise is just revealing their own character. Again, I want to clarify your stance. Because you know the kid personally there is no way he may have made an inflammatory comment and the Shelby kid responded in kind? By your logic I know almost all the kids on Shelby’s team. Some have also been to my house. I’ve played against them. Does that mean if I tell you they didn’t say anything wrong I’m automatically right? In your world that kid is going to walk into your house and spontaneously admit that he dropped the F bomb directed at the Shelby kid. Are you his priest? It may be comfortable in your world where you are completely sure that everything is as you believe. In my world I realize most things are shades of gray. There you have it, shades of gray. Where nobody is accountable and everything is acceptable. I'm not surprised. I feel less compelled to explain my stance to you after reading that garbage. Fact is, a player on Shelby's team crossed the line with his racially charged comments. Fact is, you are trying to justify it by creating hypothetical scenarios to cloud (making it gray) the issue. Pathetic. Shelby (the community) has a long standing history and reputation of this kind of behavior, now I understand why.
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 30, 2020 15:37:05 GMT -5
Again, I want to clarify your stance. Because you know the kid personally there is no way he may have made an inflammatory comment and the Shelby kid responded in kind? By your logic I know almost all the kids on Shelby’s team. Some have also been to my house. I’ve played against them. Does that mean if I tell you they didn’t say anything wrong I’m automatically right? In your world that kid is going to walk into your house and spontaneously admit that he dropped the F bomb directed at the Shelby kid. Are you his priest? It may be comfortable in your world where you are completely sure that everything is as you believe. In my world I realize most things are shades of gray. There you have it, shades of gray. Where nobody is accountable and everything is acceptable. I'm not surprised. I feel less compelled to explain my stance to you after reading that garbage. Fact is, a player on Shelby's team crossed the line with his racially charged comments. Fact is, you are trying to justify it by creating hypothetical scenarios to cloud (making it gray) the issue. Pathetic. Shelby (the community) has a long standing history and reputation of this kind of behavior, now I understand why. I’m tiring of this conversation and I’m content to close with this. You have no more proof that the comment was made than I have that it wasn’t. That is a fact. You have the word of a teenager that you unequivocally believe. Maybe it was said. I’ll concede that. As I said before, there is no place anywhere, anytime for a racial slur. I’ll make no excuses for that. I will say that high school sport’s sole purpose is to teach our kids to be adults. They’re artificial pressure cookers that ultimately mean nothing. I expect conflict like it sounds like this game had so that they can learn when the stakes are low. They’re going to make bad decisions and hopefully learn from them. I would assert that an adult who calls out teenagers on a message board didn’t learn all of their lessons.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 30, 2020 15:55:03 GMT -5
Again, I want to clarify your stance. Because you know the kid personally there is no way he may have made an inflammatory comment and the Shelby kid responded in kind? By your logic I know almost all the kids on Shelby’s team. Some have also been to my house. I’ve played against them. Does that mean if I tell you they didn’t say anything wrong I’m automatically right? In your world that kid is going to walk into your house and spontaneously admit that he dropped the F bomb directed at the Shelby kid. Are you his priest? It may be comfortable in your world where you are completely sure that everything is as you believe. In my world I realize most things are shades of gray. There you have it, shades of gray. Where nobody is accountable and everything is acceptable. I'm not surprised. I feel less compelled to explain my stance to you after reading that garbage. Fact is, a player on Shelby's team crossed the line with his racially charged comments. Fact is, you are trying to justify it by creating hypothetical scenarios to cloud (making it gray) the issue. Pathetic. Shelby (the community) has a long standing history and reputation of this kind of behavior, now I understand why. Let's take a second-hand comment and use it to apply a generalization to an entire group of people based on things you haven't seen or heard firsthand - wait a minute.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 30, 2020 16:10:09 GMT -5
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 30, 2020 16:13:33 GMT -5
There you have it, shades of gray. Where nobody is accountable and everything is acceptable. I'm not surprised. I feel less compelled to explain my stance to you after reading that garbage. Fact is, a player on Shelby's team crossed the line with his racially charged comments. Fact is, you are trying to justify it by creating hypothetical scenarios to cloud (making it gray) the issue. Pathetic. Shelby (the community) has a long standing history and reputation of this kind of behavior, now I understand why. I’m tiring of this conversation and I’m content to close with this. You have no more proof that the comment was made than I have that it wasn’t. That is a fact. You have the word of a teenager that you unequivocally believe. Maybe it was said. I’ll concede that. As I said before, there is no place anywhere, anytime for a racial slur. I’ll make no excuses for that. I will say that high school sport’s sole purpose is to teach our kids to be adults. They’re artificial pressure cookers that ultimately mean nothing. I expect conflict like it sounds like this game had so that they can learn when the stakes are low. They’re going to make bad decisions and hopefully learn from them. I would assert that an adult who calls out teenagers on a message board didn’t learn all of their lessons. I am also tiring of the conversation. I will concede that you make some good points in your last post. Time to move on.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 30, 2020 16:23:58 GMT -5
I don't doubt there are many more people in Shelby that reject racism than practice it. The same can be said for Willard. The 2 communities have become very similar demographically over the past 20 years. Not so much prior to that. We all have our bad apples and, unfortunately, those are the ones we remember.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 30, 2020 21:01:20 GMT -5
I tire reading this however did I read someone on here say they played both Baseball and Track??? Seeing they are played in the SAME season how??? just saying...
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 30, 2020 21:10:11 GMT -5
I tire reading this however did I read someone on here say they played both Baseball and Track??? Seeing they are played in the SAME season how??? just saying... Different years.
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Post by crimson5 on Jan 30, 2020 21:15:27 GMT -5
I tire reading this however did I read someone on here say they played both Baseball and Track??? Seeing they are played in the SAME season how??? just saying... Different years. And for your knowledge, it's not against the rules to play 2 sports in the same season. It's still happens today.
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Post by portwalk on Jan 30, 2020 21:15:54 GMT -5
I tire reading this however did I read someone on here say they played both Baseball and Track??? Seeing they are played in the SAME season how??? just saying... Different years. Got it just trying to bring some levity
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Post by bat21 on Feb 2, 2020 16:58:44 GMT -5
Just a few observations from the peanut gallery. #5 is a pretty good player ... on one end. Hard to believe a game with that much physicality ... he had zero fouls. Learn to play defense. #12 is a punk ... and I didn’t mind that. Every team has one ... but stop your crybaby crap when you get caught and given an intentional foul. Man up and admit you got caught. #11 is solid ... on both ends. Nice dunk. First opponent to dunk in the Haas since Diebler I believe.
The coach ... this isn’t AAU. You Don’t get to throw a tantrum without consequences. Willards worst foul shooter on the line with a 3 point lead and you loose you mind. Bam ... he misses ... but we got the T foul shots and the ball back. Game over.
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Post by ronburgandy on Feb 2, 2020 20:16:59 GMT -5
Just a few observations from the peanut gallery. #5 is a pretty good player ... on one end. Hard to believe a game with that much physicality ... he had zero fouls. Learn to play defense. #12 is a punk ... and I didn’t mind that. Every team has one ... but stop your crybaby crap when you get caught and given an intentional foul. Man up and admit you got caught. #11 is solid ... on both ends. Nice dunk. First opponent to dunk in the Haas since Diebler I believe. The coach ... this isn’t AAU. You Don’t get to throw a tantrum without consequences. Willards worst foul shooter on the line with a 3 point lead and you loose you mind. Bam ... he misses ... but we got the T foul shots and the ball back. Game over. Cody Thompson from Huron threw down a pretty nice dunk a few years ago. I had a front row seat to that one.
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Post by portwalk on Feb 2, 2020 21:29:48 GMT -5
Just a few observations from the peanut gallery. #5 is a pretty good player ... on one end. Hard to believe a game with that much physicality ... he had zero fouls. Learn to play defense. #12 is a punk ... and I didn’t mind that. Every team has one ... but stop your crybaby crap when you get caught and given an intentional foul. Man up and admit you got caught. #11 is solid ... on both ends. Nice dunk. First opponent to dunk in the Haas since Diebler I believe. The coach ... this isn’t AAU. You Don’t get to throw a tantrum without consequences. Willards worst foul shooter on the line with a 3 point lead and you loose you mind. Bam ... he misses ... but we got the T foul shots and the ball back. Game over. I remember Jake Fetherolf dunking in Willard 2013 and I believe Jeff Thomas threw down there as well could be wrong though on Jeff
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Post by bat21 on Feb 3, 2020 9:14:21 GMT -5
Cody Thompson from Huron threw down a pretty nice dunk a few years ago. I had a front row seat to that one.
I remember Jake Fetherolf dunking in Willard 2013 and I believe Jeff Thomas threw down there as well could be wrong though on Jeff
You guys could be right. The older I get ... the less I remember WELL! lol
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Post by portwalk on Feb 3, 2020 10:24:24 GMT -5
Cody Thompson from Huron threw down a pretty nice dunk a few years ago. I had a front row seat to that one. I remember Jake Fetherolf dunking in Willard 2013 and I believe Jeff Thomas threw down there as well could be wrong though on Jeff You guys could be right. The older I get ... the less I remember WELL! lol Cody Thompson had serious hops probably more memorable
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Post by maplecityjake on Feb 3, 2020 15:39:43 GMT -5
About the same era as Diebler, but I recall 6'7 Adam Gries from Fremont Ross having a dunk. 2006 when Langhurst and Flashes finished regular season 20-0.
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