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Post by GHS 1999 on Jul 27, 2020 16:02:58 GMT -5
I’m really looking forward to seeing Aaron Civale pitch tonight. I think he will be really good as well.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 27, 2020 17:57:30 GMT -5
Indians management has done a good job in rebuilding the starting staff. Carrasco didn't look it, but he's the old man at 33. After that they're kids. Clevenger 29, Bieber 25, Cirvale 25 and Plesac 25. Barring injuries and free agency they're set for some time.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jul 28, 2020 8:56:59 GMT -5
The starting staff may be what keeps them from having to completely rebuild the team. As the main free agents leave, if they can keep adding young hitters like Yu Chang to the mix, I think they can stay competitive.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jul 29, 2020 7:24:28 GMT -5
Nice outings by Civale and Pkutko in yesterday's sweep of the White Sox.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jul 29, 2020 9:31:10 GMT -5
Looks like it should be a fun weekend in Minnesota. The nice thing about this truncated schedule is even the games in the beginning of the season mean a ton.
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Post by maplecityjake on Jul 30, 2020 20:40:16 GMT -5
My lights are out. Thanks to Bieber.
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Post by baldref on Aug 2, 2020 15:08:49 GMT -5
I thought last years team had the most over-rated bunch of "hitters" in all of mlb. I was wrong. This years edition is totally embarrassing and pathetic.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Aug 6, 2020 20:44:46 GMT -5
The Indians have won the Ohio Cup again, and are now 66-51 all time against the Reds in interleague play.
Finally had some offense tonight, even though 12 of the runs were unnecessary due to the pitching staff posting their 4th shutout of the season.
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Post by maplecityjake on Aug 7, 2020 16:37:57 GMT -5
I know this is no fault to the Tribe(am I still allowed to say this?), but I wonder what this Series would of been like during the 70s and 80s. I'm going to guess the Reds run over Cleveland like Rose did to Fosse.
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Post by baldref on Aug 7, 2020 19:17:05 GMT -5
Indians hitting coach opts out for rest of season supposedly because of covid concerns (and not the woeful hitting?)
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Post by smitty1974 on Aug 10, 2020 19:17:23 GMT -5
wee stupidity comes to the tribe again. first it was zach pleasac going out with friends after a game with the white sox and was ordered to drive home and get quarrantied and now mike clevinger who went out with zach pleasac last saturday night violated team protocols related to the ongoing virus pandemic and flew home with the tribe sunday and the tribe found out today..clevinger has beeninstructed to quarantine and will undergo subsequent testing away from the team.he will be replaced by adam plutko.this game is nationally televised by fox sports1 or fox,
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Post by baldref on Aug 11, 2020 10:28:49 GMT -5
I suspect Tribe brass is more than a little ****** at clevinger. defended plesac in team meeting supposedly and didnt fess up to being along for the party, then put whole team in jeopardy by flying home with team until he was caught. this kind of self-centered me-ism does not bode well for clevingers future with the Tribe, especially if Plutko steps it up. I would hazard a guess that Clevinger's days are numbered with the Tribe and he wont be in cleveland for next season, just a hunch. Good trade bait for a hitting outfielder in off season.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 11, 2020 10:42:31 GMT -5
not the first time MLB players snuck out after curfew
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 11, 2020 10:54:52 GMT -5
LOL...no comparison. In this case immature little boys have to play with no regard to how they could kill someone, let alone hurt the TEAM.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 11, 2020 10:59:27 GMT -5
semantics
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Post by baldref on Aug 11, 2020 15:16:33 GMT -5
Indians placed Clevinger and Plesac on mlb restricted list this afternoon. Unclear when they will return.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 11, 2020 15:55:06 GMT -5
Your canned response, when their is nothing of logic to add.
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Post by baldref on Aug 13, 2020 14:55:39 GMT -5
Reassuring to know that with one-third of the season over, the Tribe ranks dead LAST in ALL of baseball with a team batting average of .195. You get what you pay for.
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Post by baldref on Aug 14, 2020 20:32:29 GMT -5
Clevinger and plesac drove to detroit with their baseball stuff. Reportedly talked with team but organization activated them and sent them back to eastlake to taxi squad. Plesac posted 6 minute video did not apologize but blamed media for blowing out of proportion supposedly.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Aug 31, 2020 12:35:35 GMT -5
Mike Clevinger, Greg Allen, and player to be named later to the Padres for 1B/OF Josh Naylor, RHP Cal Quantrill, C Austin Hedges, SS Gabriel Arias, LHP Joey Cantillo, and Infielder Owen Miller. Looks like the Tribe is getting quite a haul from San Diego for Clevinger, who is still controllable for 2 more years but salary to get high. Naylor is the older brother of Tribe top prospect C Bo Naylor.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 31, 2020 23:28:18 GMT -5
REALLY glad Allen is gone., but it looks like San Diego unloaded a lot of chaff.
The Santana and Lindor contracts will be the next to be unloaded. Cleveland is really hurting for money.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 31, 2020 23:40:12 GMT -5
we got a good haul but not a lot of help now unless Naylor comes in and rakes, def quality over quantity
also def a move to get rid of Clevinger imho
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 1, 2020 13:07:16 GMT -5
Clevenger was not the kind of example needed as a "veteran" on a staff of youngsters. Nothing like Kluber was. I'm sure he led Plesac astray as opposed to the other way around.
I'm concerned with Naylor. At 23 he's listed as 5-11 250, which is pudgy for a high school defensive tackle. Let alone for a major league left fielder or 1st baseman. What is he going to grow into by the time he reaches his peak?
This is a typical deal for a small market cash strapped franchise. Having to unload star players when close to their big paydays, in return for a bunch of young unknowns hoping to strike it rich with one of the several. UNLESS they can convince them to sign long term deals when young, like they did with Ramirez, who's happy as a clam making more than he ever dreamed of.
Santana and Lindor are next, followed by a steady steam of very good young pitchers, none wanting to stay in Cleveland for $10 million per, looking for $20 million.
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 1, 2020 13:42:07 GMT -5
Evidently, they want out before payday.
Behave erratically knowing a ship out on the horizon?
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 1, 2020 14:31:21 GMT -5
Clevenger was not the kind of example needed as a "veteran" on a staff of youngsters. Nothing like Kluber was. I'm sure he led Plesac astray as opposed to the other way around. I'm concerned with Naylor. At 23 he's listed as 5-11 250, which is pudgy for a high school defensive tackle. Let alone for a major league left fielder or 1st baseman. What is he going to grow into by the time he reaches his peak? This is a typical deal for a small market cash strapped franchise. Having to unload star players when close to their big paydays, in return for a bunch of young unknowns hoping to strike it rich with one of the several. UNLESS they can convince them to sign long term deals when young, like they did with Ramirez, who's happy as a clam making more than he ever dreamed of. Santana and Lindor are next, followed by a steady steam of very good young pitchers, none wanting to stay in Cleveland for $10 million per, looking for $20 million. Clevinger is signed for 2 more years, cheap, no need to salary dump him. This was a move to get rid of Clevinger. Josh Naylor is a 1B/DH prospect only, his time in the OF has been..well...an adventure. But he is a bat only kid. Former 1st round pick of the Marlins. Hopefully he and his brother Bo go full blown ALOMAR on us. I don't think anyone can say we are better now than with Clevinger. Tribe just wanted him gone. And Tristan made him expendable.
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Post by baldref on Sept 1, 2020 15:31:21 GMT -5
Losing Allen was addition by subtraction. As for clevinger,when he failed to fess up, he was gone IMO. Dont need that type of veteran leadership. The return is nothing for immediate help as hitting woes 6 through 9 in lineup wasnt addressed in this trade. Strictly a gamble for the future as noted elsewhere. Hope the return for Lindor will be better
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 1, 2020 17:49:53 GMT -5
Clevenger was not the kind of example needed as a "veteran" on a staff of youngsters. Nothing like Kluber was. I'm sure he led Plesac astray as opposed to the other way around. I'm concerned with Naylor. At 23 he's listed as 5-11 250, which is pudgy for a high school defensive tackle. Let alone for a major league left fielder or 1st baseman. What is he going to grow into by the time he reaches his peak? This is a typical deal for a small market cash strapped franchise. Having to unload star players when close to their big paydays, in return for a bunch of young unknowns hoping to strike it rich with one of the several. UNLESS they can convince them to sign long term deals when young, like they did with Ramirez, who's happy as a clam making more than he ever dreamed of. Santana and Lindor are next, followed by a steady steam of very good young pitchers, none wanting to stay in Cleveland for $10 million per, looking for $20 million. Clevinger is signed for 2 more years, cheap, no need to salary dump him. This was a move to get rid of Clevinger. Josh Naylor is a 1B/DH prospect only, his time in the OF has been..well...an adventure. But he is a bat only kid. Former 1st round pick of the Marlins. Hopefully he and his brother Bo go full blown ALOMAR on us. I don't think anyone can say we are better now than with Clevinger. Tribe just wanted him gone. And Tristan made him expendable. Clevinger had an arbitration year coming in 2021. What do you suppose his forced raise was going to be? $10 million? Addition by subtraction. That will pay a lot of bills for a franchise that's losing A LOT of money. I know it's difficult to comprehend, but 30 some games into the season and the end of the 2020 regular season is a month away. Trading deadline was today at 4:00 PM, if they didn't move Clev he was going to cost the Indians 8 figures. Agree, if not for the string bean they would have had to bite the bullet and keep Clevinger around for another year, until a young pitcher was ready.
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Post by smitty1974 on Sept 1, 2020 20:57:36 GMT -5
well the timing of the trade was bad where the tribe is in a race with minnesota and white sox and by getting rid of clevinger you just helped the white sox chances of taking the indians out of wild card.and with the players not household names and nothing with hitting abilities or power known it might be quanity but not yet quality.i would of keep clevinger and most time good pitching beats good hitting.but they panicked since clevinger is under contract until 2022.so will they make it without clevinger. i dont think so because the tribehas not proved they can going on a good hitting spell thus putting pressure on the pitchers to hold up and eventually when the hitting dont come,then the pictures will have a let down because of no hitting support.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 8:15:29 GMT -5
well the timing of the trade was bad where the tribe is in a race with minnesota and white sox and by getting rid of clevinger you just helped the white sox chances of taking the indians out of wild card.and with the players not household names and nothing with hitting abilities or power known it might be quanity but not yet quality.i would of keep clevinger and most time good pitching beats good hitting.but they panicked since clevinger is under contract until 2022.so will they make it without clevinger. i dont think so because the tribehas not proved they can going on a good hitting spell thus putting pressure on the pitchers to hold up and eventually when the hitting dont come,then the pictures will have a let down because of no hitting support. Unless they lose like 16 of their last 24 games they are making the playoffs
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Post by GHS 1999 on Sept 2, 2020 9:42:09 GMT -5
well the timing of the trade was bad where the tribe is in a race with minnesota and white sox and by getting rid of clevinger you just helped the white sox chances of taking the indians out of wild card.and with the players not household names and nothing with hitting abilities or power known it might be quanity but not yet quality.i would of keep clevinger and most time good pitching beats good hitting.but they panicked since clevinger is under contract until 2022.so will they make it without clevinger. i dont think so because the tribehas not proved they can going on a good hitting spell thus putting pressure on the pitchers to hold up and eventually when the hitting dont come,then the pictures will have a let down because of no hitting support. Disagree. They still have plenty of starting pitching and now they have another arm in the back end of the bullpen. Josh Naylor is an improvement over Domingo Santana. Not much of one but an improvement. They will stay in games even without great offense with the starting pitching they have. I don’t think Clevinger’s issue in Chicago played a role in him being traded. It was all money. He was due a huge raise and the Indians couldn’t afford that. So they traded him for another wave of young players. If one of them becomes a good player like Carlos Santana, Carlos Carrasco, Corey Kluber, Michael Brantley, then it will be a good trade.
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