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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 20, 2020 8:25:50 GMT -5
Curious to hear? Kinda applies to all sports.
I don't think their record is really #1 because some get blessed with better talent than others.
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Post by crimson5 on Feb 20, 2020 9:12:32 GMT -5
Curious to hear? Kinda applies to all sports. I don't think their record is really #1 because some get blessed with better talent than others. 1) Having sound subject matter knowledge 2) Being a good communicator (ability to teach, relate and motivate) 3) Able to put in the time and effort |
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 20, 2020 9:32:57 GMT -5
Really organized
Ability to communicate
Knows how to keep it fun, but still wins.
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Post by Green Falcon on Feb 20, 2020 9:50:13 GMT -5
Involved in the school/community.
Not always a determinant quality but I think there is more trust when they are seen outside of their sport.
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Post by xlegend on Feb 20, 2020 11:06:40 GMT -5
Leader,being able to get the most out of kids,role model.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 20, 2020 11:27:40 GMT -5
living in the community is def a plus,,I agree cab 24fan
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 12:03:17 GMT -5
I think we're running out of things to say, And we're getting bored, Until the tournament starts.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 20, 2020 13:37:14 GMT -5
Curious to hear? Kinda applies to all sports. I don't think their record is really #1 because some get blessed with better talent than others. All good coaches will tell you it starts with good athletes that work hard in the off season. The old "Jimmys and Joes" is a truism. Look at all coaches that are good enough and dedicated enough to have longevity. Some year's records are significantly better than others. Players. |
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Post by clb6110 on Feb 20, 2020 13:50:31 GMT -5
1) read North Coast sports forum twice a day and heed advice offered
2) obey all parental wishes
3) if these 2 steps are followed there doesn't need to be a 3rd
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 20, 2020 18:24:21 GMT -5
The ability to hire good assistant coaches. I’m a big believer that good assistant coaches make or break teams. Very underrated aspect of most good teams. Hirsch is one of the best!
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Post by sportsvideo on Feb 20, 2020 18:47:44 GMT -5
Trust, commitment, and love your kids
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Post by portwalk on Feb 20, 2020 19:32:53 GMT -5
Creating a winning climate getting your team to buy into what ur selling. Surrounding yourself with coaches who are like minded. Having Honesty about ur kids talent and coaching accordingly...
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 21, 2020 7:16:15 GMT -5
Curious to hear? Kinda applies to all sports. I don't think their record is really #1 because some get blessed with better talent than others. Winning is #1,2,3,4,5, etc... chalk it up however you want. If a coach has a 20 game winning season and another coach has a 10-10 season the 20 game winning coach will be the better coach, stage right, Bob Knight. |
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 21, 2020 7:47:21 GMT -5
Winning is the end result everyone wants.Being able to get the most out of the athlete is important. There's a reason why some guys consistently win. Some years it's 19-3,,and some years 16-6. When everything lines up it's 22-0. But there's no 3-19 or 5-17. Staying in that higher winning % is what everyone wants ideally,,and the coach who can't win more than he loses,,will not stay too long at one school forever--unless the school just wants the job filled.
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Post by crimson5 on Feb 21, 2020 8:00:20 GMT -5
Winning is the end result everyone wants.Being able to get the most out of the athlete is important. There's a reason why some guys consistently win. Some years it's 19-3,,and some years 16-6. When everything lines up it's 22-0. But there's no 3-19 or 5-17. Staying in that higher winning % is what everyone wants ideally,,and the coach who can't win more than he loses,,will not stay too long at one school forever--unless the school just wants the job filled. Agree with this 100%. Maybe a 5-17 the first year, then .500, then what you said. |
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Post by Green Falcon on Feb 21, 2020 8:39:17 GMT -5
Sacrifices. A good coach uses nearly all their free time in things related to their sport. Whether it's repairing/maintencing equipment, breaking down film and stats, coming up with new ideas or creating more opportunities to get involved.
In the ball sports winning seems to always be the number factor and everything can sometimes go unnoticed if they are not winning. Oddly, the individual sports (that still have team scores) are driven to win of course, but more emphasis is on the coach to have all the other qualities because you can not just gloss over it with a winning record
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 21, 2020 11:43:29 GMT -5
Sacrifices. A good coach uses nearly all their free time in things related to their sport. Whether it's repairing/maintencing equipment, breaking down film and stats, coming up with new ideas or creating more opportunities to get involved. In the ball sports winning seems to always be the number factor and everything can sometimes go unnoticed if they are not winning. Oddly, the individual sports (that still have team scores) are driven to win of course, but more emphasis is on the coach to have all the other qualities because you can not just gloss over it with a winning record Please! You can gloss over anything in high school basketball with a great season. It is the season that you are 10-10 that we see what kind of coach you have. |
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Post by Green Falcon on Feb 21, 2020 12:03:21 GMT -5
Sacrifices. A good coach uses nearly all their free time in things related to their sport. Whether it's repairing/maintencing equipment, breaking down film and stats, coming up with new ideas or creating more opportunities to get involved. In the ball sports winning seems to always be the number factor and everything can sometimes go unnoticed if they are not winning. Oddly, the individual sports (that still have team scores) are driven to win of course, but more emphasis is on the coach to have all the other qualities because you can not just gloss over it with a winning record Please! You can gloss over anything in high school basketball with a great season. It is the season that you are 10-10 that we see what kind of coach you have. Let me rephrase. Having a winning record allows for other qualities to be glossed over. So yes you do find out the other qualities a coach possesses when they have a bad year. What I'm saying is that individual sports do not always have that luxury because you can not hide behind a good record. |
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Post by crimson5 on Feb 22, 2020 10:44:42 GMT -5
I dont believe the "athletic talent" varies greatly from school to school - year to year within a simililar school size classification. Therefore, I dont subscribe to the arguement that a school is not winning in basketball because they have no talent, or less talent than similar schools their size. That talent may not be on the basketball team, but it's in that school somewhere. A really good coach will find that athletic talent and teach it to be a really good basketball player. Furthermore, a really good coach will teach an "average" athlete to be a good basketball player. The same can be said for any good coach in any sport for that matter. For example, you can't make the arguement that Willard was so extremely successful in basketball from 1972 thru 1992 because they had better athletes than most other schools. They were successful because they had better "basketball players" than most other schools. Coach Haas made sure his players were basketball fundamentally sound. Sure, it helped that Haas stepped into a school that happened to have a 6'10" freshman (Mike Burmma) that would propel Willard into a basketball factory for the next 2 decades, but Mike was only there for 4 years, and the real success came after Mike graduated. Point is, really good coaches will find good athletes in the school and teach them to be good basketball players. Success will come, then the really good athletes will want to be part of that success and find their way to the gym, and BAM, you've struck lightning. Case in point, Willard football has been bad for almost 2 decades. Not because we have less talented athletes in our school. You just wont find them on the gridiron in late July, nor August, September, October for that matter. Look in the stands on a friday night, there are atleast a dozen 6'2" 180lb good athletes that are sitting there cheering the team on. A really good coach will find a way to convince them to play.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 22, 2020 20:57:58 GMT -5
Don't completely agree. During the regular season Hass had 10 years with 0 or 1 loss. AND 10 years with 3 to 7 losses. He wasn't a little more lucky or unlucky in those 2 groups of years. His coaching didn't wane or get better in those 2 groups of 10. The difference was...the talent on his teams was a little better or worse OR opponents had more talent that resulted in losses.
Same with Nossaman, except more extreme. In 3 of his years he had teams with 0 to 2 losses. In 6 years he had teams with 4 or more losses, including a 10 and 16 loss season. The only reasonable explanation is different levels of talent.
I do agree, that regardless of talent, good coaches will get more out of the talent he has than average coaches would.
When I say talent, "talent" does come between the ears as well. Talent in a year can be cut into by injuries during the season, also out of control of the coach.
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Post by tori2 on Feb 22, 2020 21:41:25 GMT -5
Wow that is impressive. You are pretty smart.
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Post by Kokomo on Feb 23, 2020 11:14:45 GMT -5
Teaching fundamentals. Ability to criticize constructively. Saves the screaming for poor play for the locker rooms(reasonable shouting). Encourages players to gel on and off court. Promotes family concept. Teaches life morals. And are involved 100% in the program from 4th grade and up.
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