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Post by portwalk on Mar 3, 2020 20:17:58 GMT -5
I believe the kid signaled for a timeout while cradling the ball, Willard had no timeouts left. BINGO!....That's what I thought. The most intelligent high school player I ever saw called for a TO in the State Tournament, knowing his team didn't have one. He knew that was the only way to stop the clock after a made basket by his team. Technical foul shots and possession for the other team was a slim chance, but better than no chance at all. This was not the case in this one 25 seconds left just 2 free shots given on top of taking the ball out.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2020 20:18:26 GMT -5
Robert L Haas, Said on the radio, Willard played too slow from the start, Then picked up the pace when it was too late. Coaching decision.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2020 20:24:39 GMT -5
BINGO!....That's what I thought. The most intelligent high school player I ever saw called for a TO in the State Tournament, knowing his team didn't have one. He knew that was the only way to stop the clock after a made basket by his team. Technical foul shots and possession for the other team was a slim chance, but better than no chance at all. This was not the case in this one 25 seconds left just 2 free shots given on top of taking the ball out. Then a coaching error. All teams should have a "time out coach" on the bench, whose responsibility is to keep track of time outs left for both teams and keep the head coach and players informed of the situation at all times in the end game. Of course, the player could have been told and reminded, but just forgot.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 3, 2020 20:27:06 GMT -5
Kudos to CC they out played and out hustled WHS for 3 quarters.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 3, 2020 20:27:59 GMT -5
This was not the case in this one 25 seconds left just 2 free shots given on top of taking the ball out. Then a coaching error. All teams should have a "time out coach" on the bench, whose responsibility is to keep track of time outs left for both teams and keep the head coach and players informed of the situation at all times in the end game. Of course, the player could have been told and reminded, but just forgot. I'm not 100% sure that's what happened, that's the way it looked from my vantage point
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Post by purefan on Mar 3, 2020 20:28:32 GMT -5
If CC can limit willard’s transition baskets and make them hit jumper’s instead of layup’s then CC has a chance. A game in the lower 50’s favors the eagles. If it’s the mid to upper 60’s then it’s all willard. As someone else said freethrows could be huge as well. Since i’m a homer i’ll take CC 54 to 53. Should be a fun game. Hope the officials let em play. Ya’ i’m gonna pat my own back on this one. Pretty much nailed it other than the final. Good job purefan!👏
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Post by purefan on Mar 3, 2020 20:32:30 GMT -5
Then a coaching error. All teams should have a "time out coach" on the bench, whose responsibility is to keep track of time outs left for both teams and keep the head coach and players informed of the situation at all times in the end game. Of course, the player could have been told and reminded, but just forgot. I'm not 100% sure that's what happened, that's the way it looked from my vantage point From my vantage point i saw no one signal a timeout. I actually think they were told to get a delay of game warning by the coach, however instead of tapping the ball away it got grabbed and tucked. I’m not 100% sure but i think per rules that tapping the ball is a warnable offense however cradling and holding the ball is not.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 3, 2020 20:34:01 GMT -5
I'm not 100% sure that's what happened, that's the way it looked from my vantage point From my vantage point i saw no one signal a timeout. I actually think they were told to get a delay of game warning by the coach, however instead of tapping the ball away it got grabbed and tucked. I’m not 100% sure but i think per rules that tapping the ball is a warnable offense however cradling and holding the ball is not. You could be correct.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2020 20:38:08 GMT -5
Just reaching across the end line toward the player taking it out is enough for a warning. The question begs asking, is it ethical to tell players to purposely break a rule to gain an advantage? A kin to telling a player to feign an injury to stop the clock.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 3, 2020 20:42:39 GMT -5
Just reaching across the end line toward the player taking it out is enough for a warning. The question begs asking, is it ethical to tell players to purposely break a rule to gain an advantage? A kin to telling a player to feign an injury to stop the clock. I will know exactly what happened, and why, within the hour.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 20:43:50 GMT -5
After 3, 31-28 Eastwood over Western Reserve
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 3, 2020 20:48:19 GMT -5
I'm not 100% sure that's what happened, that's the way it looked from my vantage point From my vantage point i saw no one signal a timeout. I actually think they were told to get a delay of game warning by the coach, however instead of tapping the ball away it got grabbed and tucked. I’m not 100% sure but i think per rules that tapping the ball is a warnable offense however cradling and holding the ball is not. Purefan hit the nail on the head! Delay of game was the call with no warning. Boys were instructed to do as they did.
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Post by clb6110 on Mar 3, 2020 20:56:04 GMT -5
!st off C5 give him a giant hug..That matters most. From the radio standpoint it was clear Joe kept saying " you can't hold it,you can't hold it" and then the call. Things happen in stressful situations. Ask Chris Webber and BTW he ended up fine.
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 3, 2020 21:19:29 GMT -5
It's a shock to the system when you play someone as good or better than you. From the looks of it CC didn't do so well when they did,,,which is why I'm thinking Willard,,,, and Eastwood- just in an upset. Apparently you were right... but in reverse! Western will take care of Eastwood. CC vs Western in Finals. Wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 21:20:56 GMT -5
District Championship: Colonel Crawford VS Eastwood, Oh what should have been for Willard.
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Post by whippetfan on Mar 3, 2020 21:56:31 GMT -5
There were a couple warnings to the Willard bench that I noticed. First was on #30 for clapping his hands in the general direction of a CC player in the third quarter. It happened as a timeout had been called so the official went to the Willard coaches and mentioned it to them, which in turn was relayed to the offending player. I know the officials also said something to Parrott after shooting a ball after a timeout had been called in front of the Willard bench. Last warning was late in the game when Willard was fouling to stop the clock and again #30 fouled and from what I could see he got lippy with the official. Looked like the official put his hands on the kid to keep him away. It was on the opposite side of the court but would need to know what the Willard fans saw. Not saying any of this were the events that lead to the technical.
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 3, 2020 22:02:38 GMT -5
I dont believe it was a delay of game call. Regardless, that call is not what lost the game for the Flashes. 1. No sense of urgency for 3 qtrs, playing like CC was just going to roll over at some point 2. Poor shooting and shot selection for 3 qtrs 3. Horrible rebounding all game long 4. Way too slow to react to Feichner's hot hand in the first half 5. No bench Hats off to CC, they deserved the win, outplayed Willard, hope they win the District CC had more firepower on the floor all night long. #2 had one job and that was containing baldridge and he gets a gold star for that. the other 5 kids in the rotation could all score, that was the difference. Willard has 4 kids in the rotation that are scorers and when you take a key one out of the mix, going to be a long night. I felt like the flashes came in either flat or overconfident. i’m sure they got their faces chewed off at halftime but they still looked like they were in shock. It was an exciting comeback that fell a little short and not one play was the difference in the game, all possessions are key. this was a golden opportunity for these seniors and unfortunately, it ended on a sour note. had they had the lungs to press the entire game, it would have probably been a different outcome, #5.
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Post by truecrimson on Mar 3, 2020 22:06:08 GMT -5
There were a couple warnings to the Willard bench that I noticed. First was on #30 for clapping his hands in the general direction of a CC player in the third quarter. It happened as a timeout had been called so the official went to the Willard coaches and mentioned it to them, which in turn was relayed to the offending player. I know the officials also said something to Parrott after shooting a ball after a timeout had been called in front of the Willard bench. Last warning was late in the game when Willard was fouling to stop the clock and again #30 fouled and from what I could see he got lippy with the official. Looked like the official put his hands on the kid to keep him away. It was on the opposite side of the court but would need to know what the Willard fans saw. Not saying any of this were the events that lead to the technical. had zero composure when they needed it the most. officials get tired of this childish behavior and when they have had enough, you get rung up.
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Post by bat21 on Mar 3, 2020 22:52:30 GMT -5
This was not the case in this one 25 seconds left just 2 free shots given on top of taking the ball out. Then a coaching error. All teams should have a "time out coach" on the bench, whose responsibility is to keep track of time outs left for both teams and keep the head coach and players informed of the situation at all times in the end game. Of course, the player could have been told and reminded, but just forgot. Filly ... do you just keep throwing shite against the wall until something sticks?? There are those on here that actually know what did happen ... and you aren’t one of them!! Is Ontario still playing ... if so ... follow THEM. If they’re not ... follow someone other than Willard. For a know it all Richard Cranium ... you really don’t know shite.
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Post by bat21 on Mar 3, 2020 23:00:24 GMT -5
Not sure if there is a warning in HS good question however it sounded like Willard scored a player grabbed and held the ball gotta call it or he just stands there with the ball. Interesting to get Willards fans thoughts Willard’s fans are going to be too busy cancelling their vacation days and hotel rooms for Regionals & the State tourney to give you their thoughts right now. Really ... haven’t seen anyone on here talk about it. You’re still ****** because we held your son to 7 points ... with most of the JV’s playing in the 4th qt.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 3, 2020 23:26:12 GMT -5
CC was better than I thought. The big difference was the 3-bigs vs Skeeter . Just wasn’t his night. Like Coach Haas said,,, we took too long to start playing fast. C5– called it. CC size and rebounding was a bad matchup for WHS.
Our girls played outstanding tonight so we got a split. Took part of the sting away.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2020 0:23:26 GMT -5
We've been blessed with a couple of bat shite posts. Seems to always happen on a night like tonight.
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Post by usramfan on Mar 4, 2020 9:15:12 GMT -5
I've had two different people who were there tell me that the technical was due to a second delay of game. They were warned earlier in the game.
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Post by dude on Mar 4, 2020 9:20:06 GMT -5
I've had two different people who were there tell me that the technical was due to a second delay of game. They were warned earlier in the game. This can easily happen as most fans will not see that warning as officials do not always take a lot of time in making it an emphasis. They just say it and move on.
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Post by vottruckers on Mar 4, 2020 9:24:54 GMT -5
I've had two different people who were there tell me that the technical was due to a second delay of game. They were warned earlier in the game. I can tell you that the technical reason was not explained to the table workers. The technical was called and the Willard coach went straight to the official and got an explanation. We didn't even know the number it was on originally and had to have it clarified by the officials after the first technical foul shot. We couldn't see any delay of game but two players from the Willard bench were clearly on the court at the time with one at the volleyball line. So that along with all the coaching staff standing up we thought the technical was due to the number of players on the floor. Honestly the one player looked like he was in the game and the head coach was out further than him. So really they could have gotten Willard on a number of items apparently.
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Post by vottruckers on Mar 4, 2020 9:26:17 GMT -5
I've had two different people who were there tell me that the technical was due to a second delay of game. They were warned earlier in the game. There were at least 5-6 warnings given to players/coaches on both sides throughout the game. No official warnings put in the book though that I am aware.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 10:01:36 GMT -5
They may have been too busy playing with their phones, And texting scores, And missed writing the warnings down. It's not their fault.
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Post by fbfan on Mar 4, 2020 10:39:50 GMT -5
Let's be plain. In that situation, grabbing the ball and cradling it after a made basket, was an obvious attempt to give Willard a few extra seconds to set their inbound and full court defense. Why should the officials blow the whistle and give a warning, which would actually have given a reward of more time? It was unsportsmanlike conduct by the coach and/or player, whether that was the actual call or not. The official did the right thing.
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Post by bat21 on Mar 4, 2020 11:22:23 GMT -5
They may have been too busy playing with their phones, And texting scores, And missed writing the warnings down. It's not their fault. That would explain why the clock never stopped for the first turnover of the game. Fans from both sides saw it but the officials were oblivious.
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Post by dude on Mar 4, 2020 11:33:44 GMT -5
They may have been too busy playing with their phones, And texting scores, And missed writing the warnings down. It's not their fault. That would explain why the clock never stopped for the first turnover of the game. Fans from both sides saw it but the officials were oblivious. If the officials didn't see it, it didn't happen.
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