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Post by dude on Nov 21, 2020 22:07:38 GMT -5
Flashes scrimmage Ontario this morning at the Orena. Should tell us a little about where we're at. Ontario should be a very experienced team this season and have high expectations.
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 21, 2020 23:13:49 GMT -5
Ontario vs Cardington vs Willard. Willard plated without All District wingman Myles Pinkston. My source says Cardington not very good, Willard won every quarter. Ontario vs Willard very good match-up. Willard may have had the edge with starters vs starters, but Ontario is much deeper and won easily with non starters on the floor.
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 22, 2020 7:52:31 GMT -5
Ontario vs Cardington vs Willard. Willard plated without All District wingman Myles Pinkston. My source says Cardington not very good, Willard won every quarter. Ontario vs Willard very good match-up. Willard may have had the edge with starters vs starters, but Ontario is much deeper and won easily with non starters on the floor. Sounds promising. How did the point guard situation play out, that was a big question heading into this year? We know it is early but any surprises so far?
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Post by dude on Nov 22, 2020 9:14:06 GMT -5
Ontario vs Cardington vs Willard. Willard plated without All District wingman Myles Pinkston. My source says Cardington not very good, Willard won every quarter. Ontario vs Willard very good match-up. Willard may have had the edge with starters vs starters, but Ontario is much deeper and won easily with non starters on the floor. Since Ontario was coming off quarantine 2 days before, did they have any of their starters?
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 22, 2020 17:40:57 GMT -5
Ontario vs Cardington vs Willard. Willard plated without All District wingman Myles Pinkston. My source says Cardington not very good, Willard won every quarter. Ontario vs Willard very good match-up. Willard may have had the edge with starters vs starters, but Ontario is much deeper and won easily with non starters on the floor. Since Ontario was coming off quarantine 2 days before, did they have any of their starters? Not sure who the starters for Ontario are, but I do know the Shaver kid played. To your point, Willard had 4 Varsity players in quarantine until Saturdays scrimmage.....1 starter and 3 others. I just finished watching the video of the scrimmage. I think my source was a little generous for the Flashes vs Ontario. It looked like a fairly even Scrimmage with starters, maybe slight advantage to Ontario. Both teams were a little sloppy, which you would expect with the quarantine stuff and still very early in practice. Paxton ran the point for Willard most of the time. He didn't seem to have much problem considering it was his first practice with the team. Young Dawson ran the #2 quard and looked solid. It was the Weiss kid and the Weirs kid first practice as well. All in all, considering alot of the team has not been together much, they looked promising, especially without Pinkston on the floor.
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Post by dude on Nov 22, 2020 17:54:25 GMT -5
Since Ontario was coming off quarantine 2 days before, did they have any of their starters? Not sure who the starters for Ontario are, but I do know the Shaver kid played. To your point, Willard had 4 Varsity players in quarantine until Saturdays scrimmage.....1 starter and 3 others. I just finished watching the video of the scrimmage. I think my source was a little generous for the Flashes vs Ontario. It looked like a fairly even Scrimmage with starters, maybe slight advantage to Ontario. Both teams were a little sloppy, which you would expect with the quarantine stuff and still very early in practice. Paxton ran the point for Willard most of the time. He didn't seem to have much problem considering it was his first practice with the team. Young Dawson ran the #2 quard and looked solid. It was the Weiss kid and the Weirs kid first practice as well. All in all, considering alot of the team has not been together much, they looked promising, especially without Pinkston on the floor. Good point. Ontario's entire team was in quarantine not just 4 players. If Ontario could compete at all it is impressive, since they have 2-3 days of practice since election day.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 22, 2020 19:14:27 GMT -5
Ontario's entire team was quarantined the past 2 weeks. The ironic thing about them being quarantined is that it was the 11th best player on the team that tested positive. Not only haven't they practiced for 2 weeks, there were 10 football players and soccer players that only got a couple days of practice before the team was quarantined. Only 3 varsity players, none of which are starters, have been working on their game since the summer, as almost all played a fall sport. Quite unusual for a Balogh team. They were rusty and it showed.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 22, 2020 19:37:10 GMT -5
When you have 3 studs like Willard had the past couple of year, a true PG isn't nearly as important as when you have a team of good players, but none who can take over a game. disagree somewhat...a good point guard is the spark to the engine.even if the guys around him are high quality basketball players.how good would South Central,Sandusky blue streaks,oak harbor and Willard be without their point guards last year. I could go on and on but I just feel that if Willard is going by committee then it spells trouble this year. I didn't say a solid PG wasn't important to a team. Just that a good one is more important to the team Willard will have this year as opposed to the teams they had the past 2 years. What kind of a PG did those teams have last year? Did they look to pass first or score first? A good PG doesn't have to score 20ppg, if he can facilitate his teammates scoring.
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 23, 2020 4:59:56 GMT -5
disagree somewhat...a good point guard is the spark to the engine.even if the guys around him are high quality basketball players.how good would South Central,Sandusky blue streaks,oak harbor and Willard be without their point guards last year. I could go on and on but I just feel that if Willard is going by committee then it spells trouble this year. I didn't say a solid PG wasn't important to a team. Just that a good one is more important to the team Willard will have this year as opposed to the teams they had the past 2 years. What kind of a PG did those teams have last year? Did they look to pass first or score first? A good PG doesn't have to score 20ppg, if he can facilitate his teammates scoring. Paxton playing point is a tough spot for him to be in, IMO. He is good at slashing to the basket and will probably be a primary scorer this year. Putting him at point might make it tough on him to get a lot of open looks. Again, Myles would be my point guard, tough to defend and can get the ball up the floor with little effort. If the dawson kid is going to play varsity i would ease him into situations and have him go in for Myles for some experience this year.
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 23, 2020 7:38:19 GMT -5
I didn't say a solid PG wasn't important to a team. Just that a good one is more important to the team Willard will have this year as opposed to the teams they had the past 2 years. What kind of a PG did those teams have last year? Did they look to pass first or score first? A good PG doesn't have to score 20ppg, if he can facilitate his teammates scoring. Paxton playing point is a tough spot for him to be in, IMO. He is good at slashing to the basket and will probably be a primary scorer this year. Putting him at point might make it tough on him to get a lot of open looks. Again, Myles would be my point guard, tough to defend and can get the ball up the floor with little effort. If the dawson kid is going to play varsity i would ease him into situations and have him go in for Myles for some experience this year. Agree with most of this.
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Post by bgsu07 on Nov 23, 2020 12:30:18 GMT -5
Huron falls to 4th this year? Yea, I'm not buying that either. Willard, Huron, and Margaretta are very close. PC would be a distant 4th in my opinion. If pollsters are heavily weighting returning letterman then I get it, but Huron had the best JV team (undefeated) in the area last year. They may be lacking varsity experience but they have some kids that can flat out play. With Margaretta's loss of Raifsnider, I look for Huron to be in the top 2. Hurons's JV team had one loss, but a very good team none the less.
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 23, 2020 23:37:34 GMT -5
Paxton playing point is a tough spot for him to be in, IMO. He is good at slashing to the basket and will probably be a primary scorer this year. Putting him at point might make it tough on him to get a lot of open looks. Again, Myles would be my point guard, tough to defend and can get the ball up the floor with little effort. If the dawson kid is going to play varsity i would ease him into situations and have him go in for Myles for some experience this year. Agree with most of this. [b I know you want paxton at 1 but i like him at 2, spotting up. should be a fun season. nice they are streaming it this year due to limited tickets.
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 24, 2020 0:46:30 GMT -5
[b I know you want paxton at 1 but i like him at 2, spotting up. should be a fun season. nice they are streaming it this year due to limited tickets. Actually, I don't care where he plays. Whatever serves the team better is my motto. I agree, he is a natural 2 guard. My concern with Myles at the PG is offensive rebounding. He gets alot of buckets off putbacks and were gonna need him to continue with that this year.
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 24, 2020 4:39:02 GMT -5
[b I know you want paxton at 1 but i like him at 2, spotting up. should be a fun season. nice they are streaming it this year due to limited tickets. Actually, I don't care where he plays. Whatever serves the team better is my motto. I agree, he is a natural 2 guard. My concern with Myles at the PG is offensive rebounding. He gets alot of buckets off putbacks and were gonna need him to continue with that this year. Myles is a tough one to try and figure out at the 1 spot, i still like him there. They’ll have time to figure out where everyone falls.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 24, 2020 9:03:46 GMT -5
The thing about PG,,he has to be able to go left or right with the dribble. Who is that person ?
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 24, 2020 10:41:47 GMT -5
The thing about PG,,he has to be able to go left or right with the dribble. Who is that person ? The idea of getting the ball up the floor is most important and Myles can go left or right but definitely right dominant. He is an intimidating presence at point and can handle the pressure.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 24, 2020 11:11:10 GMT -5
No doubt getting the ball up court is important and maybe he can help make that happen,,but I think his body near the basket to help on the offensive boards might be necessary. It might take awhile to figure it all out.
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Post by xlegend on Nov 25, 2020 2:14:54 GMT -5
No doubt getting the ball up court is important and maybe he can help make that happen,,but I think his body near the basket to help on the offensive boards might be necessary. It might take awhile to figure it all out. hands down it should be Trey at the one. Best vision and best passer by far.hopefully he has put a lot time in on his left hand. If so he can be a playmaker and scorer. I like Myles at the three.slasher and rebounder. That's his money unless he has developed a 15 foot jump shot.i look for Trey and Myles to be the catylst for this team. The way they go is the way this team goes. Go get em
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Post by xlegend on Nov 25, 2020 2:29:02 GMT -5
[b I know you want paxton at 1 but i like him at 2, spotting up. should be a fun season. nice they are streaming it this year due to limited tickets. today's point guard is a scorer. The days of getting a lot of assists,playing good defense and running the team are long gone.imo.the areas best teams last year all had scoring point guards. There a few true point guards out there but not many.
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Post by clydesbcfan on Nov 28, 2020 9:07:29 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 28, 2020 20:23:32 GMT -5
Ontario 64, Huron 43....maybe Huron will finish 4th.
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Post by canthandleme on Nov 28, 2020 21:22:34 GMT -5
Willard looks slow and mathodical.no juice on the floor.i can't see anyone being able to go get their own buckets.wheres the scoring going to come from? Guards aren't very strong with the ball either. Maybe it was because Clyde isn't very good this year but from my eyes we need a lot of work.
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Post by dcan on Nov 28, 2020 22:20:17 GMT -5
No stars, maybe that will be a good thing. A deeper bench, maybe that will be a good thing. I feel bad for anyone who calls Willard home
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Post by dude on Nov 29, 2020 8:27:14 GMT -5
Was everyone present for Willard or were they missing some guys?
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 29, 2020 9:55:23 GMT -5
I watched it.
When you lose two All State guys who scored about 80% of the points, gonna take some time for the guys to find their roles. There's some parts there for sure. I remember watching the opening game two years ago vs Upper at home. A lot changed in that Willard team come March vs Upper the second time around. Although theres' no Triplett Parrott or Baldridge type of player on this team. I hope to see some guys emerge with significant year over year improvement. Coaches like Bob Haas and Noss were able to take good parts and make them into a good ballclub. This team will be a challenge for Joe and Hirsch. As it sits now imo, this team will have to be "coached up" to get to where we hope to be---because I don't think theres' two All State guys on the roster. We do have 4 guys who played major minutes last year-so that's a plus. I'll be rooting for them to get this team there.
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Post by dude on Nov 29, 2020 10:31:00 GMT -5
I love how every team is connected to Bob Haas.
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Post by buckeyekid on Nov 29, 2020 11:31:29 GMT -5
He was incredible at taking average talent and making them into a good team.
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Post by dude on Nov 29, 2020 11:35:11 GMT -5
He was incredible at taking average talent and making them into a good team. Many coaches have that ability. But nothing indicates John Wooden could be successful coaching in todays game.
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Post by dcan on Nov 29, 2020 12:34:44 GMT -5
I love how every team is connected to Bob Haas. Haas is the only thing good to ever come out of Willard. A diamond in the rough so to speak. Rightfully, the gymnasium is named after him but IMO, they should just change the name of your sad town to Haasville.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 29, 2020 14:57:53 GMT -5
He was incredible at taking average talent and making them into a good team. Many coaches have that ability. But nothing indicates John Wooden could be successful coaching in todays game. Wooden as well as Hass had some GREAT players.
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