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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 26, 2020 12:01:37 GMT -5
Agree with that! Some Nights I 10-11.. definitely need to play that many with that style of defense. And be in very good basketball shape. Going 10-11 deep in a game that's close is one thing. Doing it when the lead is 15 or more is something else. How many guys played in all 22 games? Regardless of last season, Shelby should be the heavy favorite in the MOAC for 2020-2021. A "heavy" favorite? When losing 2 starters and 3 significant bench players? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 12:14:25 GMT -5
Going 10-11 deep in a game that's close is one thing. Doing it when the lead is 15 or more is something else. How many guys played in all 22 games? Regardless of last season, Shelby should be the heavy favorite in the MOAC for 2020-2021. A "heavy" favorite? When losing 2 starters and 3 significant bench players? You must not of seen many Shelby games at the end of the year. 🤔 was 3 sophomores and 1 junior who play significant mins over those 3 bench players. |
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Post by ohioraised on Mar 26, 2020 13:51:16 GMT -5
Clear Fork will be good to go 500
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 26, 2020 15:24:04 GMT -5
A "heavy" favorite? When losing 2 starters and 3 significant bench players? You must not of seen many Shelby games at the end of the year. 🤔 was 3 sophomores and 1 junior who play significant mins over those 3 bench players. So you were just kidding when you said Shelby played 11 players? You admitted to only seeing Shelby play 5 times. That's one more than I did. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 17:40:30 GMT -5
You must not of seen many Shelby games at the end of the year. 🤔 was 3 sophomores and 1 junior who play significant mins over those 3 bench players. So you were just kidding when you said Shelby played 11 players? You admitted to only seeing Shelby play 5 times. That's one more than I did. I’m saying those 4 younger guys we’re the go to before the 3 graduating. Pretty sure hill had 13pts in Norwalk game. Hiatt made the game winning basket in the come back win against Ontario. Roberts had 8 in the first half against clear fork in tournament game I’m pretty sure. And I believe it was 40 who was as the 2nd guy up guarding 33 from Willard at that game. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 26, 2020 18:21:17 GMT -5
Counting Hiatt, wasn't he a starter for the most part? Are you saying J.Lewis, P.Lewis and Miller were inconsequential?
AGAIN, were you just kidding about 11 playing every game?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 19:42:53 GMT -5
Counting Hiatt, wasn't he a starter for the most part? Are you saying J.Lewis, P.Lewis and Miller were inconsequential? AGAIN, were you just kidding about 11 playing every game? I didn’t see hiatt start any of the 5 I was at... last time I checked neve said them 3 weren’t inconsequential. But I am saying those 4 younger guys played just as big of mins as them 3. Pugh,Lantz,Gossum,Devito, and halloway... the 3 you named and the 4 younger guys. Actually is 12 but those 4 younger ones wasn’t all consistently used. Roberts and 40 looked to be more situational guys. So since your being off the wall technical we will say 10 consistently with 2 depending on situation but they played mins in big games not games that were blow outs. Considering Shelby never had a blow out and that was everyone’s complaint about them was they Were not beating teams by 30 so that didn’t qualify them as a top team. |
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Post by dude on Mar 26, 2020 20:44:31 GMT -5
Counting Hiatt, wasn't he a starter for the most part? Are you saying J.Lewis, P.Lewis and Miller were inconsequential? AGAIN, were you just kidding about 11 playing every game? I didn’t see hiatt start any of the 5 I was at... last time I checked neve said them 3 weren’t inconsequential. But I am saying those 4 younger guys played just as big of mins as them 3. Pugh,Lantz,Gossum,Devito, and halloway... the 3 you named and the 4 younger guys. Actually is 12 but those 4 younger ones wasn’t all consistently used. Roberts and 40 looked to be more situational guys. So since your being off the wall technical we will say 10 consistently with 2 depending on situation but they played mins in big games not games that were blow outs. Considering Shelby never had a blow out and that was everyone’s complaint about them was they Were not beating teams by 30 so that didn’t qualify them as a top team. Shelby only had 5 guys play all 22 regular season games. 3 of them were underclassmen and 10 players in more than 15 games. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 21:46:32 GMT -5
I didn’t see hiatt start any of the 5 I was at... last time I checked neve said them 3 weren’t inconsequential. But I am saying those 4 younger guys played just as big of mins as them 3. Pugh,Lantz,Gossum,Devito, and halloway... the 3 you named and the 4 younger guys. Actually is 12 but those 4 younger ones wasn’t all consistently used. Roberts and 40 looked to be more situational guys. So since your being off the wall technical we will say 10 consistently with 2 depending on situation but they played mins in big games not games that were blow outs. Considering Shelby never had a blow out and that was everyone’s complaint about them was they Were not beating teams by 30 so that didn’t qualify them as a top team. Shelby only had 5 guys play all 22 regular season games. 3 of them were underclassmen and 10 players in more than 15 games. Thank you for spot on stats dude! Answers our questions here. And I believe 13 scored in the first tourney game and 11 played in second tourney game. |
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Post by dude on Mar 26, 2020 22:08:59 GMT -5
Shelby only had 5 guys play all 22 regular season games. 3 of them were underclassmen and 10 players in more than 15 games. Thank you for spot on stats dude! Answers our questions here. And I believe 13 scored in the first tourney game and 11 played in second tourney game. That game was a 20 point win extra playing time form the bench. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 22:54:35 GMT -5
Thank you for spot on stats dude! Answers our questions here. And I believe 13 scored in the first tourney game and 11 played in second tourney game. That game was a 20 point win extra playing time form the bench. Enough about Shelby is RV the sleeper? Returning all 5 starters I believe? |
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Post by gibby23 on Mar 27, 2020 8:05:30 GMT -5
Serious question: where is River Valley?
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Post by dude on Mar 27, 2020 8:11:25 GMT -5
That game was a 20 point win extra playing time form the bench. Enough about Shelby is RV the sleeper? Returning all 5 starters I believe? They should be improved but after going 5-7 in league play is there a reason to think they should win the league? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 9:55:57 GMT -5
Enough about Shelby is RV the sleeper? Returning all 5 starters I believe? They should be improved but after going 5-7 in league play is there a reason to think they should win the league? Agreed with that. Makes you think the league awards is a joke. Go 5-7 in the league but have a first teamer and a second teamer and a honorable mention.. |
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Post by dude on Mar 27, 2020 10:25:29 GMT -5
They should be improved but after going 5-7 in league play is there a reason to think they should win the league? Agreed with that. Makes you think the league awards is a joke. Go 5-7 in the league but have a first teamer and a second teamer and a honorable mention.. HM is a joke anyway is those kids are simply appointed by their own coach. HM is like a participation award, it's good recognition but not similar to the 1st and 2nd team awards. If you have that attitude, how does Galion have a kid on 1st team without winning a single league game? Yet Pleasant wins 4 games and cannot get a 1st teamer. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 10:33:48 GMT -5
Agreed with that. Makes you think the league awards is a joke. Go 5-7 in the league but have a first teamer and a second teamer and a honorable mention.. HM is a joke anyway is those kids are simply appointed by their own coach. HM is like a participation award, it's good recognition but not similar to the 1st and 2nd team awards. If you have that attitude, how does Galion have a kid on 1st team without winning a single league game? Yet Pleasant wins 4 games and cannot get a 1st teamer. I agree fully.. should have to finish in top half of the league to have a first teamer in my eyes |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 27, 2020 15:53:52 GMT -5
Complaining about All-League honors is akin to complaining about making or not making the AP Top Ten Poll.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Mar 28, 2020 7:26:11 GMT -5
Serious question: where is River Valley? East of Marion, located near Caledonia. It's no more than 10 minutes outside of Marion city limits. |
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Post by gibby23 on Mar 28, 2020 7:41:18 GMT -5
Serious question: where is River Valley? East of Marion, located near Caledonia. It's no more than 10 minutes outside of Marion city limits. Thanks shelby. |
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Post by dude on Mar 28, 2020 22:58:30 GMT -5
HM is a joke anyway is those kids are simply appointed by their own coach. HM is like a participation award, it's good recognition but not similar to the 1st and 2nd team awards. If you have that attitude, how does Galion have a kid on 1st team without winning a single league game? Yet Pleasant wins 4 games and cannot get a 1st teamer. I agree fully.. should have to finish in top half of the league to have a first teamer in my eyes I was not saying I think their should be boundaries. I am surprised the coaches voted a kid to be one of the top 6 kids in the league but he could not get his team to a single league win. I don't think that is possible. |
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Post by gt1975 on Mar 29, 2020 14:35:42 GMT -5
I agree fully.. should have to finish in top half of the league to have a first teamer in my eyes I was not saying I think their should be boundaries. I am surprised the coaches voted a kid to be one of the top 6 kids in the league but he could not get his team to a single league win. I don't think that is possible. The coaches voted him as one of the top 6 kids in the league because they're smart enough to see that he definitely is one of the top 6 kids in the league. He was the leading scorer in the league and 5th in rebounds. Him and Pugh were the only two kids to be top five in both categories. It's crazy to try to downplay his ability and accomplishments because his team was unable to win a league game. I think it's funny that you have no problem criticizing a kid and saying he doesn't deserve his accolades just because his team didn't win a league game but you freaked out when I posted that Galion's coach has ZERO league wins in FIVE seasons as a Varsity coach. Originally I didn't even post it to be critical, I was just posting stats. But you are certainly trying to discredit this kid and say he doesn't deserve to have what the coaches voted for him to have. I guess in your mind it's okay to be critical of kids but not coaches, especially if they are your friend. |
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Post by dude on Mar 29, 2020 16:25:01 GMT -5
The coaches voted him as one of the top 6 kids in the league because they're smart enough to see that he definitely is one of the top 6 kids in the league. He was the leading scorer in the league and 5th in rebounds. Him and Pugh were the only two kids to be top five in both categories. It's crazy to try to downplay his ability and accomplishments because his team was unable to win a league game. I think it's funny that you have no problem criticizing a kid and saying he doesn't deserve his accolades just because his team didn't win a league game but you freaked out when I posted that Galion's coach has ZERO league wins in FIVE seasons as a Varsity coach. Originally I didn't even post it to be critical, I was just posting stats. But you are certainly trying to discredit this kid and say he doesn't deserve to have what the coaches voted for him to have. I guess in your mind it's okay to be critical of kids but not coaches, especially if they are your friend. It is unbelievable how much you can misunderstand. I'm criticizing the coaches who voted for a player of a team who could not win a single league game. I have seen the kid play many times in his career and i'm fully aware of what he can do as an individual athlete. Also, I was never "freaked out" by your comments about YOUR coach. I was trying to make you understand you should be happy to have a coach as NOBODY else has wanted that job for about 5+ years now. This is, in part, a reflection of the some parents and fans. I never said anything was not deserved. I was asking how a team that did not win a game in the league can have multiple kids receive league honors. Each year there can be a different name inserted. It's not directed at a single kid. So that you can rest easy, I know both the kid and the coach and I have know the kid much longer. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 30, 2020 13:10:34 GMT -5
It's interesting how dude professes to know all the players, coaches and ADs in North Central Ohio. Yet won't tell us how/why he knows them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 16:33:33 GMT -5
It's interesting how dude professes to know all the players, coaches and ADs in North Central Ohio. Yet won't tell us how/why he knows them. Some people just like traveling the area and seeing a lot of athletics! I don’t know everyone but seen a lot of different teams play this year |
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Post by dude on Mar 30, 2020 18:01:01 GMT -5
It's interesting how dude professes to know all the players, coaches and ADs in North Central Ohio. Yet won't tell us how/why he knows them. Some people just like traveling the area and seeing a lot of athletics! I don’t know everyone but seen a lot of different teams play this year I definitely do not know and have never claimed to know every player, coach or AD in North Central Ohio so that is a flat lie. He is a liar. |
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 30, 2020 18:32:42 GMT -5
If you took the kid from Galion and put him on any other team in the conference would he be that team’s best player? If the answer is yes on all but five teams then he is first team all conference. A Lebron-like player can carry a whole team. There were no Lebron-like players in the MOAC.
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Post by gt1975 on Mar 30, 2020 18:59:05 GMT -5
If you took the kid from Galion and put him on any other team in the conference would he be that team’s best player? If the answer is yes on all but five teams then he is first team all conference. A Lebron-like player can carry a whole team. There were no Lebron-like players in the MOAC. He's definitely not a Lebron-like player. But he would be the best player on every team in the conference except Shelby and Ontario. |
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Post by dude on Mar 30, 2020 19:01:34 GMT -5
If you took the kid from Galion and put him on any other team in the conference would he be that team’s best player? If the answer is yes on all but five teams then he is first team all conference. A Lebron-like player can carry a whole team. There were no Lebron-like players in the MOAC. Tough question to answer but maybe a good way to determine all-league honors. Lantz may have been the 2nd best player for Shelby but if he was on 2-3 of the other MOAC teams ha may have been their best player. Seeing how Shelby went 12-0, could that make him 1st team? Jimmy Langhurst is no Lebron but he carried his team to many many wins. Same could be said for Nate Reinking who carried his team to 17 wins his senior year. |
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Post by gt1975 on Mar 30, 2020 19:06:04 GMT -5
The coaches voted him as one of the top 6 kids in the league because they're smart enough to see that he definitely is one of the top 6 kids in the league. He was the leading scorer in the league and 5th in rebounds. Him and Pugh were the only two kids to be top five in both categories. It's crazy to try to downplay his ability and accomplishments because his team was unable to win a league game. I think it's funny that you have no problem criticizing a kid and saying he doesn't deserve his accolades just because his team didn't win a league game but you freaked out when I posted that Galion's coach has ZERO league wins in FIVE seasons as a Varsity coach. Originally I didn't even post it to be critical, I was just posting stats. But you are certainly trying to discredit this kid and say he doesn't deserve to have what the coaches voted for him to have. I guess in your mind it's okay to be critical of kids but not coaches, especially if they are your friend. It is unbelievable how much you can misunderstand. I'm criticizing the coaches who voted for a player of a team who could not win a single league game. I have seen the kid play many times in his career and i'm fully aware of what he can do as an individual athlete. Also, I was never "freaked out" by your comments about YOUR coach. I was trying to make you understand you should be happy to have a coach as NOBODY else has wanted that job for about 5+ years now. This is, in part, a reflection of the some parents and fans. I never said anything was not deserved. I was asking how a team that did not win a game in the league can have multiple kids receive league honors. Each year there can be a different name inserted. It's not directed at a single kid. So that you can rest easy, I know both the kid and the coach and I have know the kid much longer. You say "I never said anything was not deserved" but also say "I'm criticizing coaches who voted for a player of a team who could not win a single league game". Why would you be criticizing the coaches if he deserves it?? So which one is it? Does he deserve to be 1st Team or not?? |
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 30, 2020 20:24:59 GMT -5
If you took the kid from Galion and put him on any other team in the conference would he be that team’s best player? If the answer is yes on all but five teams then he is first team all conference. A Lebron-like player can carry a whole team. There were no Lebron-like players in the MOAC. Tough question to answer but maybe a good way to determine all-league honors. Lantz may have been the 2nd best player for Shelby but if he was on 2-3 of the other MOAC teams ha may have been their best player. Seeing how Shelby went 12-0, could that make him 1st team? Jimmy Langhurst is no Lebron but he carried his team to many many wins. Same could be said for Nate Reinking who carried his team to 17 wins his senior year. I’m going to guess your two examples of guys who carried their teams didn’t fall off as steeply from them to their second through fifth player. I believe it is possible for the second best player on a team to DESERVE first team honors. Politics probably wouldn’t allow it, but if he is top 6 in the league he shouldn’t be punished for being on the team with the league’s best player. |
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