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Post by jafo on Mar 10, 2020 15:16:44 GMT -5
Just read an OHSAA release where Jerry Snodgrass said spectators will probably be limited to immediate families for regionals and state.
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Post by Green Falcon on Mar 10, 2020 16:10:00 GMT -5
Not sure how regional sites may be affected by this with a lot of universities shutting down
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Post by sweathog on Mar 11, 2020 11:22:20 GMT -5
You can thank China for all of this and democrats !!! They are trying to ruin the economy and stupid people like DeWine is going along with it!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 7:37:56 GMT -5
You can thank China for all of this and democrats !!! They are trying to ruin the economy and stupid people like DeWine is going along with it!!! Shocking something this stupid came from you. Only thing you got right is China not telling the world how bad it was there. FYI, DeWine is a Republican
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Post by Buckeye2b on Mar 12, 2020 9:19:57 GMT -5
I work at a school in Michigan and the knee jerk reaction with this damn virus is unreal. I think I believe that there is some potential for this virus to go awry but it sure feels like more shutdowns are coming. Our district is about 2500 kids, but we are also hearing from a substantially larger district that they are beginning to plan for a shutdown as well. That may be on the extreme end, but it’s going to get weirder before this stupidity ends. You heard it here first...
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Post by fbfan on Mar 12, 2020 9:29:12 GMT -5
You can thank China for all of this and democrats !!! They are trying to ruin the economy and stupid people like DeWine is going along with it!!! Shocking something this stupid came from you. Only thing you got right is China not telling the world how bad it was there. FYI, DeWine is a Republican China's economy was tanking and ours was doing fantastic due to Trump's trade and economic policies. China can afford to lose a few hundred thousand people and their dictator historically is in no political danger if they do. Now China has us over a barrel because of the supply chain of critical goods (especially medical related). The U.S. economy is in danger of recession. Nice turnaround for China. Makes me wonder..........
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Post by heresjim on Mar 12, 2020 10:21:58 GMT -5
Shocking something this stupid came from you. Only thing you got right is China not telling the world how bad it was there. FYI, DeWine is a Republican China's economy was tanking and ours was doing fantastic due to Trump's trade and economic policies. China can afford to lose a few hundred thousand people and their dictator historically is in no political danger if they do. Now China has us over a barrel because of the supply chain of critical goods (especially medical related). The U.S. economy is in danger of recession. Nice turnaround for China. Makes me wonder.......... Considering that US experts have said that this couldn't have been man made(we don't have the capabilities of making something like this), I would hesitate from insinuating anything. All pandemics like this occur from the transfer of a disease from animals to humans, and the wet markets in China are the perfect place for this to occur. They have been able to to date the virus to November and have stated this this is very similar to many of the corona viruses that they find in bats.
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Post by fbfan on Mar 12, 2020 10:37:57 GMT -5
China's economy was tanking and ours was doing fantastic due to Trump's trade and economic policies. China can afford to lose a few hundred thousand people and their dictator historically is in no political danger if they do. Now China has us over a barrel because of the supply chain of critical goods (especially medical related). The U.S. economy is in danger of recession. Nice turnaround for China. Makes me wonder.......... Considering that US experts have said that this couldn't have been man made(we don't have the capabilities of making something like this), I would hesitate from insinuating anything. All pandemics like this occur from the transfer of a disease from animals to humans, and the wet markets in China are the perfect place for this to occur. They have been able to to date the virus to November and have stated this this is very similar to many of the corona viruses that they find in bats. Remember, China did not allow these "US experts" to come to China and evaluate the situation in the early stages. We really don't know what China is capable of. We don't know if they really did everything possible to contain the Wuhan Virus. What I'm sure of, is they know this Obama administration policy: "never let a good crisis go to waste".
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Post by heresjim on Mar 12, 2020 10:55:32 GMT -5
Considering that US experts have said that this couldn't have been man made(we don't have the capabilities of making something like this), I would hesitate from insinuating anything. All pandemics like this occur from the transfer of a disease from animals to humans, and the wet markets in China are the perfect place for this to occur. They have been able to to date the virus to November and have stated this this is very similar to many of the corona viruses that they find in bats. Remember, China did not allow these "US experts" to come to China and evaluate the situation in the early stages. We really don't know what China is capable of. We don't know if they really did everything possible to contain the Wuhan Virus. What I'm sure of, is they know this Obama administration policy: "never let a good crisis go to waste". Yeah, they didn't want experts over there because they were just as unprepared as we are. If we "don't know what China is capable of", then it's game over, the world is going end in less than 10 years. We won't be able to stop China because they have nuclear weapons that can deter aggression. How do we know China doesn't have capabilities to knock out the US power grid? How do we know they don't have a capable nuclear defense force that we don't know about? How do we know they don't have the hacking capabilities to take everyone's information or wreak havoc everywhere else? You don't think the Pentagon are aware about biological weapons that can be made?
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Post by fbfan on Mar 12, 2020 11:12:32 GMT -5
Remember, China did not allow these "US experts" to come to China and evaluate the situation in the early stages. We really don't know what China is capable of. We don't know if they really did everything possible to contain the Wuhan Virus. What I'm sure of, is they know this Obama administration policy: "never let a good crisis go to waste". Yeah, they didn't want experts over there because they were just as unprepared as we are. If we "don't know what China is capable of", then it's game over, the world is going end in less than 10 years. We won't be able to stop China because they have nuclear weapons that can deter aggression. How do we know China doesn't have capabilities to knock out the US power grid? How do we know they don't have a capable nuclear defense force that we don't know about? How do we know they don't have the hacking capabilities to take everyone's information or wreak havoc everywhere else? You don't think the Pentagon are aware about biological weapons that can be made? Now you're just being argumentative. Your attitude that China couldn't know anything that we don't is incredibly naïve.
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Post by sweathog on Mar 12, 2020 11:15:07 GMT -5
You can thank China for all of this and democrats !!! They are trying to ruin the economy and stupid people like DeWine is going along with it!!! Shocking something this stupid came from you. Only thing you got right is China not telling the world how bad it was there. FYI, DeWine is a Republican For your info I know DeWine is a Republican and I like him as much as Kasich
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Post by clb6110 on Mar 12, 2020 11:42:20 GMT -5
At least the lead story on the nightly news is no longer gun control.
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Post by sweathog on Mar 12, 2020 11:49:56 GMT -5
Any one remember the swine flu!!! Nothing was done than, why you ask? Gee, who was President, Obama!!! News media didn't make a big deal out of this because of our great black democrat. They are trying to make this bad and blame Trump!!
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Post by heresjim on Mar 12, 2020 11:57:29 GMT -5
Yeah, they didn't want experts over there because they were just as unprepared as we are. If we "don't know what China is capable of", then it's game over, the world is going end in less than 10 years. We won't be able to stop China because they have nuclear weapons that can deter aggression. How do we know China doesn't have capabilities to knock out the US power grid? How do we know they don't have a capable nuclear defense force that we don't know about? How do we know they don't have the hacking capabilities to take everyone's information or wreak havoc everywhere else? You don't think the Pentagon are aware about biological weapons that can be made? Now you're just being argumentative. Your attitude that China couldn't know anything that we don't is incredibly naïve. I'm saying that we have a pretty good idea about the science of what is possible and what isn't. If we don't, then there is nothing we can do to stop anything. What you are suggesting is that we are doomed. We don't know what China is capable of and they have better resolve right? And yet we do nothing in response? And continue to do nothing in response? If I'm naive, then the entire government is naive.
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 12, 2020 12:21:11 GMT -5
Remember, China did not allow these "US experts" to come to China and evaluate the situation in the early stages. We really don't know what China is capable of. We don't know if they really did everything possible to contain the Wuhan Virus. What I'm sure of, is they know this Obama administration policy: "never let a good crisis go to waste". Yeah, they didn't want experts over there because they were just as unprepared as we are. If we "don't know what China is capable of", then it's game over, the world is going end in less than 10 years. We won't be able to stop China because they have nuclear weapons that can deter aggression. How do we know China doesn't have capabilities to knock out the US power grid? How do we know they don't have a capable nuclear defense force that we don't know about? How do we know they don't have the hacking capabilities to take everyone's information or wreak havoc everywhere else? You don't think the Pentagon are aware about biological weapons that can be made? Funny there were street protests all over again and then suddenly the streets were empty.
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Post by heresjim on Mar 12, 2020 12:32:05 GMT -5
Yeah, they didn't want experts over there because they were just as unprepared as we are. If we "don't know what China is capable of", then it's game over, the world is going end in less than 10 years. We won't be able to stop China because they have nuclear weapons that can deter aggression. How do we know China doesn't have capabilities to knock out the US power grid? How do we know they don't have a capable nuclear defense force that we don't know about? How do we know they don't have the hacking capabilities to take everyone's information or wreak havoc everywhere else? You don't think the Pentagon are aware about biological weapons that can be made? Funny there were street protests all over again and then suddenly the streets were empty. I'm sure the Chinese government would love for you guys to think that they have this kind of power. That they are invulnerable, two steps ahead, and unyielding. I'm not saying they aren't authoritarian or that they don't repress their people, but insinuating they are just committing mass genocide without evidence is the same kind of fear mongering that certain people in the media want to instill in people. Good job.
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Post by fbfan on Mar 12, 2020 13:37:09 GMT -5
Funny there were street protests all over again and then suddenly the streets were empty. I'm sure the Chinese government would love for you guys to think that they have this kind of power. That they are invulnerable, two steps ahead, and unyielding. I'm not saying they aren't authoritarian or that they don't repress their people, but insinuating they are just committing mass genocide without evidence is the same kind of fear mongering that certain people in the media want to instill in people. Good job. China has already put their propaganda machine to work spinning the Wuhan Virus as the fault of the USA and Trump. Don't get dizzy. As far as mass genocide goes, check a history book. It's a method that has been used by communist China to solve their problems in the past.
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Post by kritz on Mar 12, 2020 13:47:22 GMT -5
Interesting video on Joe Rogan the other day with an infectious disease expert.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 12, 2020 14:09:50 GMT -5
Goodbye to school for 3 weeks.
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Post by heresjim on Mar 12, 2020 14:16:02 GMT -5
I'm sure the Chinese government would love for you guys to think that they have this kind of power. That they are invulnerable, two steps ahead, and unyielding. I'm not saying they aren't authoritarian or that they don't repress their people, but insinuating they are just committing mass genocide without evidence is the same kind of fear mongering that certain people in the media want to instill in people. Good job. China has already put their propaganda machine to work spinning the Wuhan Virus as the fault of the USA and Trump. Don't get dizzy. As far as mass genocide goes, check a history book. It's a method that has been used by communist China to solve their problems in the past. I have no doubt the Chinese government is using this as propaganda. And in terms of mass genocide, it is possible, but much harder to hide it with today's technology. We are 40 years removed from the cultural revolution, so let's at least post evidence before just guessing what is happening. The whole point is that we shouldn't make assertions and baseless insinuations without some credible reporting first. Maybe you guys would be more convincing if you posted where you are getting your info from so we at least have a base for discussion.
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Post by fbfan on Mar 12, 2020 14:47:13 GMT -5
China has already put their propaganda machine to work spinning the Wuhan Virus as the fault of the USA and Trump. Don't get dizzy. As far as mass genocide goes, check a history book. It's a method that has been used by communist China to solve their problems in the past. I have no doubt the Chinese government is using this as propaganda. And in terms of mass genocide, it is possible, but much harder to hide it with today's technology. We are 40 years removed from the cultural revolution, so let's at least post evidence before just guessing what is happening. The whole point is that we shouldn't make assertions and baseless insinuations without some credible reporting first. Maybe you guys would be more convincing if you posted where you are getting your info from so we at least have a base for discussion. All I said is that I was "wondering" about the sequence of events and pointed out who seemed to gain from it. You are the one who picked up the ball and said definitively that this could not have been a man made virus. Maybe so, I don't have proof but neither do you that it is not. Either way, all China had to do, when in the initial stage when they forbid international experts to evaluate the situation, was to not contain the virus properly. The consequences from that point on were predictable. They have proven that loss of life of their own people is not a concern for them if the communist parties interest's are served. China has lied and deceived the world many times over. Don't be fooled.
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Post by heresjim on Mar 12, 2020 15:15:29 GMT -5
I have no doubt the Chinese government is using this as propaganda. And in terms of mass genocide, it is possible, but much harder to hide it with today's technology. We are 40 years removed from the cultural revolution, so let's at least post evidence before just guessing what is happening. The whole point is that we shouldn't make assertions and baseless insinuations without some credible reporting first. Maybe you guys would be more convincing if you posted where you are getting your info from so we at least have a base for discussion. All I said is that I was "wondering" about the sequence of events and pointed out who seemed to gain from it. You are the one who picked up the ball and said definitively that this could not have been a man made virus. Maybe so, I don't have proof but neither do you that it is not. Either way, all China had to do, when in the initial stage when they forbid international experts to evaluate the situation, was to not contain the virus properly. The consequences from that point on were predictable. They have proven that loss of life of their own people is not a concern for them if the communist parties interest's are served. China has lied and deceived the world many times over. Don't be fooled. I would look up the definition of insinuation and determine if your comments fit the concept. And I am not denying that Chinese government has lied before or is willing to go great lengths to further their interests, it just isn't a good practice to start "wondering" things out loud because people will take those comments and run with them. Hedge your bets at the very least (which you have done later appreciatively) . In regards to whether this can't be a man made disease, who do you trust to inform you? What background do they need to have? Because there are plenty of people saying that there is no evidence and there are also people saying that it is not possible. The video above me with Joe Rogan just got Roger Osterholm to state it's not possible for example. Here is the clip:
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Post by fbfan on Mar 12, 2020 15:41:59 GMT -5
All I said is that I was "wondering" about the sequence of events and pointed out who seemed to gain from it. You are the one who picked up the ball and said definitively that this could not have been a man made virus. Maybe so, I don't have proof but neither do you that it is not. Either way, all China had to do, when in the initial stage when they forbid international experts to evaluate the situation, was to not contain the virus properly. The consequences from that point on were predictable. They have proven that loss of life of their own people is not a concern for them if the communist parties interest's are served. China has lied and deceived the world many times over. Don't be fooled. I would look up the definition of insinuation and determine if your comments fit the concept. And I am not denying that Chinese government has lied before or is willing to go great lengths to further their interests, it just isn't a good practice to start "wondering" things out loud because people will take those comments and run with them. Hedge your bets at the very least (which you have done later appreciatively) . In regards to whether this can't be a man made disease, who do you trust to inform you? What background do they need to have? Because there are plenty of people saying that there is no evidence and there are also people saying that it is not possible. The video above me with Joe Rogan just got Roger Osterholm to state it's not possible for example. Here is the clip: Guess I better get off this forum if it's not good practice to give my opinion or "wonder". That's what people do here, and why you're reading this forum and why you are running with my comment. The answer is NO ONE. My opinion is, that anyone with the access and knowledge would not tell me, nor would they be giving interviews on the subject.
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Post by heresjim on Mar 12, 2020 16:36:03 GMT -5
I would look up the definition of insinuation and determine if your comments fit the concept. And I am not denying that Chinese government has lied before or is willing to go great lengths to further their interests, it just isn't a good practice to start "wondering" things out loud because people will take those comments and run with them. Hedge your bets at the very least (which you have done later appreciatively) . In regards to whether this can't be a man made disease, who do you trust to inform you? What background do they need to have? Because there are plenty of people saying that there is no evidence and there are also people saying that it is not possible. The video above me with Joe Rogan just got Roger Osterholm to state it's not possible for example. Here is the clip: Guess I better get off this forum if it's not good practice to give my opinion or "wonder". That's what people do here, and why you're reading this forum and why you are running with my comment. The answer is NO ONE. My opinion is, that anyone with the access and knowledge would not tell me, nor would they be giving interviews on the subject. No one is saying you can't state your opinion, but you are essentially making a controversial statement without any evidence. That statement also has dire consequences considering that you are basically saying that China has been creating biological weapons, is using them on their own people (in addition to possibly killing people to cover it up), and that it's part of a ploy to undermine the US. That "opinion" carries a lot more weight if people buy into it, so it's best to back it up. If true, we are talking about grounds for war and an international intervention. In regards to you not trusting anyone on the subject, you are basically saying that people can't understand/allowed to talk what is possible in terms of biological engineering unless they are in privileged position in the government. I would argue that doesn't make sense considering people study, interact, and conduct research on it everyday. And considering that our current administration hasn't floated the idea, nor are they acting as if this has happened, I think that should inform you what they think of the situation (unless you think they don't either, which means there is literally no way to prevent ourselves from being wiped out by a man made pandemic at this point).
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Post by fbfan on Mar 12, 2020 17:09:06 GMT -5
Guess I better get off this forum if it's not good practice to give my opinion or "wonder". That's what people do here, and why you're reading this forum and why you are running with my comment. The answer is NO ONE. My opinion is, that anyone with the access and knowledge would not tell me, nor would they be giving interviews on the subject. No one is saying you can't state your opinion, but you are essentially making a controversial statement without any evidence. That statement also has dire consequences considering that you are basically saying that China has been creating biological weapons, is using them on their own people (in addition to possibly killing people to cover it up), and that it's part of a ploy to undermine the US. That "opinion" carries a lot more weight if people buy into it, so it's best to back it up. If true, we are talking about grounds for war and an international intervention. In regards to you not trusting anyone on the subject, you are basically saying that people can't understand/allowed to talk what is possible in terms of biological engineering unless they are in privileged position in the government. I would argue that doesn't make sense considering people study, interact, and conduct research on it everyday. And considering that our current administration hasn't floated the idea, nor are they acting as if this has happened, I think that should inform you what they think of the situation (unless you think they don't either, which means there is literally no way to prevent ourselves from being wiped out by a man made pandemic at this point). No, what I'm saying is, that anyone who really knows all of what the Chinese are capable of (if that's possible) would be at the highest levels of the CIA, NSA, Pentagon, and WH and/or have the highest security clearance. They would not be talking at all about it, much less giving public interviews. I don't want any dire consequences. I certainly don't want to start a war. And I certainly don't want to provoke any readers of this forum to do so. So I'll just shut up about it, before any of my opinions cause someone to do so.
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Post by heresjim on Mar 12, 2020 17:29:32 GMT -5
No one is saying you can't state your opinion, but you are essentially making a controversial statement without any evidence. That statement also has dire consequences considering that you are basically saying that China has been creating biological weapons, is using them on their own people (in addition to possibly killing people to cover it up), and that it's part of a ploy to undermine the US. That "opinion" carries a lot more weight if people buy into it, so it's best to back it up. If true, we are talking about grounds for war and an international intervention. In regards to you not trusting anyone on the subject, you are basically saying that people can't understand/allowed to talk what is possible in terms of biological engineering unless they are in privileged position in the government. I would argue that doesn't make sense considering people study, interact, and conduct research on it everyday. And considering that our current administration hasn't floated the idea, nor are they acting as if this has happened, I think that should inform you what they think of the situation (unless you think they don't either, which means there is literally no way to prevent ourselves from being wiped out by a man made pandemic at this point). No, what I'm saying is, that anyone who really knows all of what the Chinese are capable of (if that's possible) would be at the highest levels of the CIA, NSA, Pentagon, and WH and/or have the highest security clearance. They would not be talking at all about it, much less giving public interviews. I don't want any dire consequences. I certainly don't want to start a war. And I certainly don't want to provoke any readers of this forum to do so. So I'll just shut up about it, before any of my opinions cause someone to do so. Yes, which is silly considering people who understand the subject well enough can tell you the limits. For example, do you need someone within the government to tell you the Chinese can't engineer pigs with wings? No, you don't, because enough people understand the limits of biology to be able to articulate what can be done or what can't be done. And yes, I would have no problem about discussing the use of biological weapons if there was evidence of the fact. I would hope everyone would expect and support dire consequences considering that is a violation of international law which can endanger human life on Earth permanently.
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 12, 2020 19:37:36 GMT -5
Funny there were street protests all over again and then suddenly the streets were empty. I'm sure the Chinese government would love for you guys to think that they have this kind of power. That they are invulnerable, two steps ahead, and unyielding. I'm not saying they aren't authoritarian or that they don't repress their people, but insinuating they are just committing mass genocide without evidence is the same kind of fear mongering that certain people in the media want to instill in people. Good job. But you can’t prove they didn’t either.
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Post by heresjim on Mar 12, 2020 20:47:04 GMT -5
I'm sure the Chinese government would love for you guys to think that they have this kind of power. That they are invulnerable, two steps ahead, and unyielding. I'm not saying they aren't authoritarian or that they don't repress their people, but insinuating they are just committing mass genocide without evidence is the same kind of fear mongering that certain people in the media want to instill in people. Good job. But you can’t prove they didn’t either. Yeah, but if you are unsure, what would you rather choose to believe? If you believe that the Chinese government is capable engineering viruses that can wipe out 5% of the population or more, is committing genocide against its own people, is competent enough to perfectly execute a plan to tank the economy just at the right time to weaken the US, etc... you are creating the moral imperative and the legal casus belli to act (we would be required by international law to invade). In fact, this would be evidence that we have been surpassed on the world stage in our ability to conduct realpolitik, and that we are woefully unprepared to protect ourselves. You should be in a constant state of panic considering those optics. On the other hand, if you simply believe that this is a naturally occurring disease and that China is doing the typical authoritarian maneuvering it would normally conduct in a situation like this, then nothing has changed. Life can return to normal and we can return to our daily lives once the virus subsides.
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Post by galion on Mar 14, 2020 6:18:23 GMT -5
I'm sure the Chinese government would love for you guys to think that they have this kind of power. That they are invulnerable, two steps ahead, and unyielding. I'm not saying they aren't authoritarian or that they don't repress their people, but insinuating they are just committing mass genocide without evidence is the same kind of fear mongering that certain people in the media want to instill in people. Good job. China has already put their propaganda machine to work spinning the Wuhan Virus as the fault of the USA and Trump. Don't get dizzy. As far as mass genocide goes, check a history book. It's a method that has been used by communist China to solve their problems in the past. It's also a method that we've used to solve our problems in the past.
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Post by Birdman on Mar 14, 2020 10:22:10 GMT -5
This will all be over soon and a thing of the past
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