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Post by unc4life on Jul 15, 2020 10:16:04 GMT -5
Dewine cancelled his normal Tuesday press conference, but has scheduled one today at 5:30 (they're normally at 2:00, which means now he'll reach a much larger audience). Most believe he is going to shut things down again. If true, that might be the nail in the fall sports season. I fully expect a statewide mask mandate today in his presser. I highly doubt he closes things down before taking that step first. While DeWine has not been very consistent in his approach (He flips on what he says he is going to do) I don't believe he is going to shut things down again, at least not at the State level. He had dozens of lawsuits in court right now that he is not winning dealing with his lockdown measures. He really does not have the power to shut anything down. My guess is he knows people aren't paying attention to what he says anymore, so he wants a prime time speech to try and get people on the same page. Maybe he orders Masks, but really his county by county thing has been working well for him. I have seen so many rumors from he is going to shut everything down, to he is going to resign, it's funny. Either way whatever he says I'm sure it will give us no more clarity on anything.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jul 15, 2020 12:03:53 GMT -5
Virginia cancels the fall high school football season.
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Post by perkinspa on Jul 15, 2020 12:14:58 GMT -5
Ever wonder why the concession stands and restroom lines are so full at halftime?? *HINT* Because almost everyone I talk to finds high school football halftime marching band shows extremely boring!! Especially the Perkins band....same thing EVERY week....<------.....(if I had a dollar for every time someone told me that, I'd be a rich man).....Unless, of course, you're an Edison High school band parent! Then you watch the halftime show....AND LEAVE!! LOL I DO like the band playing the National Anthem at the start, and the way the Pirate band comes over and plays in front of the student section the second half, but the halftime show I can do without. The next person that tells you that they're bored by the PHS band, I strongly encourage you to invite them (and maybe a ticket for yourself) to the North Coast Marching Band competition that the Pirates hold each year. They're working countless hours to perfect that performance, with hopes of marching at the state competition at the end of the year. These young students bust their humps doing something they love, not unlike the players during the game. Frankly, I think you'd be downright stunned by the performances that these schools give for the fans. I've had the pleasure of announcing the last 4 North Coast competitions, and it is one the most exciting events I do all year. But you're right. You don't have to watch. You can go pick up a snack at halftime, chat with friends, or whatever you'd like. The huge concourse behind the stands allows for that. But taking shots at the kids who've chosen to devote a HUGE amount of their time and effort to create and perform a flawless show, which will hopefully land them in state? Give it a rest already.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 15, 2020 12:40:39 GMT -5
Virginia cancels the fall high school football season. A Democrat controlled state.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 15, 2020 12:42:16 GMT -5
Ever wonder why the concession stands and restroom lines are so full at halftime?? *HINT* Because almost everyone I talk to finds high school football halftime marching band shows extremely boring!! Especially the Perkins band....same thing EVERY week....<------.....(if I had a dollar for every time someone told me that, I'd be a rich man).....Unless, of course, you're an Edison High school band parent! Then you watch the halftime show....AND LEAVE!! LOL I DO like the band playing the National Anthem at the start, and the way the Pirate band comes over and plays in front of the student section the second half, but the halftime show I can do without. The next person that tells you that they're bored by the PHS band, I strongly encourage you to invite them (and maybe a ticket for yourself) to the North Coast Marching Band competition that the Pirates hold each year. They're working countless hours to perfect that performance, with hopes of marching at the state competition at the end of the year. These young students bust their humps doing something they love, not unlike the players during the game. Frankly, I think you'd be downright stunned by the performances that these schools give for the fans. I've had the pleasure of announcing the last 4 North Coast competitions, and it is one the most exciting events I do all year. But you're right. You don't have to watch. You can go pick up a snack at halftime, chat with friends, or whatever you'd like. The huge concourse behind the stands allows for that. But taking shots at the kids who've chosen to devote a HUGE amount of their time and effort to create and perform a flawless show, which will hopefully land them in state? Give it a rest already. I much prefer to see a band of 150 that has a completely different half time performance every home game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 15, 2020 12:49:19 GMT -5
That info will never be known.
Just like the individuals who test positive... then are retested....they count as two positives. AND they never go to the hospital since their symptoms are minimal. My nephew got tested, he tested positive and all he had was a persistent cough.
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Post by sportsvideo on Jul 15, 2020 16:10:43 GMT -5
Ever wonder why the concession stands and restroom lines are so full at halftime?? *HINT* Because almost everyone I talk to finds high school football halftime marching band shows extremely boring!! Especially the Perkins band....same thing EVERY week....<------.....(if I had a dollar for every time someone told me that, I'd be a rich man).....Unless, of course, you're an Edison High school band parent! Then you watch the halftime show....AND LEAVE!! LOL I DO like the band playing the National Anthem at the start, and the way the Pirate band comes over and plays in front of the student section the second half, but the halftime show I can do without. The next person that tells you that they're bored by the PHS band, I strongly encourage you to invite them (and maybe a ticket for yourself) to the North Coast Marching Band competition that the Pirates hold each year. They're working countless hours to perfect that performance, with hopes of marching at the state competition at the end of the year. These young students bust their humps doing something they love, not unlike the players during the game. Frankly, I think you'd be downright stunned by the performances that these schools give for the fans. I've had the pleasure of announcing the last 4 North Coast competitions, and it is one the most exciting events I do all year. But you're right. You don't have to watch. You can go pick up a snack at halftime, chat with friends, or whatever you'd like. The huge concourse behind the stands allows for that. But taking shots at the kids who've chosen to devote a HUGE amount of their time and effort to create and perform a flawless show, which will hopefully land them in state? Give it a rest already. Yes sir,, the more kids we get doing great things on friday night, the less kids we have on the streets doing bad things... cheerleading , band , football they all make friday nights a great night of entertainment..
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Post by piratefan on Jul 16, 2020 10:01:16 GMT -5
To each his own, I guess. I had children in PHS band. I know the work they put in. I've been to the NC competition. Some like halftime shows. But the majority of people, other than band parents, find halftime shows boring. That's just a fact, whether you think so or not.
On a side note perkinspa, any news about the upcoming football season? Happening, or still in limbo?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 16, 2020 10:08:06 GMT -5
Not at schools with 150 kids in the band, that have a completely new halftime show at every home game. Fans want to see what each new halftime performance will have to offer. AND....some of the best athletes I've ever seen are in a 12 member dance line that performs with a marching band.
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Post by piratefan on Jul 16, 2020 10:29:59 GMT -5
Maybe it's just because I'm from Perkins. I understand they compete and need to practice, but you'd think that for at least the football game they could "take the night off" and just let the kids enjoy themselves. One of the most entertaining halftime shows I saw was at Oak Harbor many years ago. It was Halloween and they let the kids in the band dress in Halloween costumes and have fun. <---THAT I found entertaining.
Plus, since Mr. Kustec retired, the Pirate band is no where near what it used to be.
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Post by Green Falcon on Jul 17, 2020 13:32:46 GMT -5
Michigan fall sports starting as normal
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Post by sportsvideo on Jul 17, 2020 16:30:58 GMT -5
If we even get this season's practices started, and actually get to play games, what happens if an opponent who has a kid that played in the game that tests positive for covid 19,,,,do both teams go 2 weeks in the quiet zone? this is what they really need to figure out how to handle...
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Post by fbfan on Jul 17, 2020 16:58:42 GMT -5
Bucyrus just lost a week of summer workouts/conditioning in ALL sports because ONE athlete was listed as a "contact" of someone who had tested positive last week. A number of athletes were tested, all came back negative, and the Board and Health Dept. allowed them to resume today. I would guess that going forward in the same situation, if a student were to test positive after being listed as a "contact", that you will see a 14 day shut down of the program(s). (as I understand the current protocols). Does playing on the same field or court make you a "contact"?
I'm not optimistic on playing a season, the way they are currently doing things.
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Post by sportsvideo on Jul 17, 2020 19:28:09 GMT -5
Bucyrus just lost a week of summer workouts/conditioning in ALL sports because ONE athlete was listed as a "contact" of someone who had tested positive last week. A number of athletes were tested, all came back negative, and the Board and Health Dept. allowed them to resume today. I would guess that going forward in the same situation, if a student were to test positive after being listed as a "contact", that you will see a 14 day shut down of the program(s). (as I understand the current protocols). Does playing on the same field or court make you a "contact"? I'm not optimistic on playing a season, the way they are currently doing things. me either... because if anyone shuts it down for 2 games, that messes up playoffs .. i wouldnt be surprised if they don't hold up and shorten the season or back it up a couple weeks...but with no end in site..its almost hopeless...
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jul 17, 2020 23:45:50 GMT -5
The Bucyrus situation concerns me. If that were an office setting, a one-week turnaround for that situation is pretty good. In fact, for a rural/shrinking high school dealing with students across all sports, that one-week turnaround is especially remarkable. Of course, one week downtime in preseason (or regular season, or postseason) is devastating in the context of high school sports, especially football. How can a school reasonably expect to resolve a situation like Bucyrus did in under 7 days?
Switching topics. I haven't been keeping pace with this thread, forgive me if this next point has been discussed already. From what I understand, the relationship between the OHSAA and its member schools is unique in that OHSAA is relatively untethered from higher authority, and the schools opt-in via membership. This would be compared to other states that integrate their athletic competitions pretty thoroughly (I have zero reference other than how Kentucky and Pennsylvania assign districts for their schools). OHSAA already lost gate receipts from basketball. If football is held in the fall, they could have hampered ability to conduct a full playoffs, let alone getting any gate $$$ that comes with it. If football is pushed to the spring, now you are delaying significant revenue generating opportunities for OHSAA by a full calendar year. I trust they are putting all options on the table to ensure solvency...but it is still a probable messy situation. I'm not privy to much of OHSAA's finances, but there has GOT to be some ramifications bubbling up for them...right?
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Post by oldno72 on Jul 18, 2020 14:54:39 GMT -5
I have heard that OHSAA is having financial issues. They lost several big revenue generators last winter and spring. The football playoffs also generate significant revenue. The problem with switching seasons is the calendar. Think about it, if the playoffs were to START at the beginning of June, and to have a 10 week season, you would need to start playing games in the middle of March. Thus, practice would need to start in late February. Thus, you have problems at the beginning of the season, with snow, basketball and wrestling, and at the end of the season with graduation. You could shorten the season to five or six games, or do away with the playoff, which would kill the OHSAA. Not really good options
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Post by oldno72 on Jul 18, 2020 15:00:39 GMT -5
Bucyrus just lost a week of summer workouts/conditioning in ALL sports because ONE athlete was listed as a "contact" of someone who had tested positive last week. A number of athletes were tested, all came back negative, and the Board and Health Dept. allowed them to resume today. I would guess that going forward in the same situation, if a student were to test positive after being listed as a "contact", that you will see a 14 day shut down of the program(s). (as I understand the current protocols). Does playing on the same field or court make you a "contact"? I'm not optimistic on playing a season, the way they are currently doing things. Here in Licking County, Lakewood has shut its programs down for 10 days due to Licking County moving to a level three. I fully expect fall sports to be delayed or cancelled all together in the next two weeks. What really pisses me off is that if people one month ago would have worn their masks, practiced social distancing, and have used some common sense, maybe we would not be looking at losing the season right now.
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Post by richrod on Jul 18, 2020 21:17:52 GMT -5
Bucyrus just lost a week of summer workouts/conditioning in ALL sports because ONE athlete was listed as a "contact" of someone who had tested positive last week. A number of athletes were tested, all came back negative, and the Board and Health Dept. allowed them to resume today. I would guess that going forward in the same situation, if a student were to test positive after being listed as a "contact", that you will see a 14 day shut down of the program(s). (as I understand the current protocols). Does playing on the same field or court make you a "contact"? I'm not optimistic on playing a season, the way they are currently doing things. Here in Licking County, Lakewood has shut its programs down for 10 days due to Licking County moving to a level three. I fully expect fall sports to be delayed or cancelled all together in the next two weeks. What really pisses me off is that if people one month ago would have worn their masks, practiced social distancing, and have used some common sense, maybe we would not be looking at losing the season right now. Agreed!
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Post by Green Falcon on Jul 19, 2020 6:55:56 GMT -5
I have heard that OHSAA is having financial issues. They lost several big revenue generators last winter and spring. The football playoffs also generate significant revenue. The problem with switching seasons is the calendar. Think about it, if the playoffs were to START at the beginning of June, and to have a 10 week season, you would need to start playing games in the middle of March. Thus, practice would need to start in late February. Thus, you have problems at the beginning of the season, with snow, basketball and wrestling, and at the end of the season with graduation. You could shorten the season to five or six games, or do away with the playoff, which would kill the OHSAA. Not really good options I've heard the same. I saw a basic financial report of their's but nothing detailed. I wish I could see something more specific because I don't understand how they have gotten in this position.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jul 19, 2020 9:12:25 GMT -5
They got into this position largely because high school sports in Ohio is a declining medium for entertainment. I recall Jon Diebler and Upper pulling in high attendance for their state runs in 05 and 07. If you look at attendance figures for D2 basketball today, the numbers are darn near half of what they used to be, even if you wind up with town that historically would bring more attendance, like Defiance or Norwalk (versus Cleveland Central Catholic, SVSM, etc). Football is no different. I wouldn't be surprised if OHSAA was looking at a 20-30% attendance decline over the past decade.
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Post by edchambers on Jul 19, 2020 10:53:57 GMT -5
They got into this position largely because high school sports in Ohio is a declining medium for entertainment. I recall Jon Diebler and Upper pulling in high attendance for their state runs in 05 and 07. If you look at attendance figures for D2 basketball today, the numbers are darn near half of what they used to be, even if you wind up with town that historically would bring more attendance, like Defiance or Norwalk (versus Cleveland Central Catholic, SVSM, etc). Football is no different. I wouldn't be surprised if OHSAA was looking at a 20-30% attendance decline over the past decade. In FY 2007 (8/1/06 - 7/31/07), the OHSAA had revenue of $17.2 million and expenses of $18.3 million. For FY 2018 (8/1/17-7/31/18), the OHSAA had revenue of $19.2 million with expenses of $19.4 million. The basketball tournament (regional & state) has taken a hit netting less than $1.0 million each of the past two years ('18 & '19). Football has also taken a hit the past two years.
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Post by dude on Jul 19, 2020 11:28:59 GMT -5
The basketball tournament (regional & state) has taken a hit netting less than $1.0 million each of the past two years ('18 & '19). Football has also taken a hit the past two years. What has football netted the last two years?
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Post by richrod on Jul 19, 2020 13:34:39 GMT -5
The basketball tournament (regional & state) has taken a hit netting less than $1.0 million each of the past two years ('18 & '19). Football has also taken a hit the past two years. What has football netted the last two years? Would love to see higher seed play at home in the playoffs until the final four. Would have to save OHSAA money, they don't have to reimburse for as much travel and such. Plus, makes it better or more advantageous to be a higher seed or beat a higher seed for that matter. I think you could do the same for basketball at the district level. Highest seed hosts all the way through unless knocked out, then whoever beats them takes over that seed through the district tournament. Thoughts?
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Post by Green Falcon on Jul 19, 2020 18:32:01 GMT -5
What has football netted the last two years? Would love to see higher seed play at home in the playoffs until the final four. Would have to save OHSAA money, they don't have to reimburse for as much travel and such. Plus, makes it better or more advantageous to be a higher seed or beat a higher seed for that matter. I think you could do the same for basketball at the district level. Highest seed hosts all the way through unless knocked out, then whoever beats them takes over that seed through the district tournament. Thoughts? I like the idea, just a few thoughts that popped in my head. Wouldn't the OHSAA reimburse around the same amount for travel? It would instead just be going to one school. For example, if #1 Sandusky is playing #2 Mansfield. Instead of reimbursing both schools for driving to say, Willard, they would instead reimburse Mansfield for going all the way to Sandusky and back, which would be the same distance as if they just met in the middle. Having the higher seed host is meant as a way to increase ticket sales. However when the private schools with small fan bases have the higher seed then it forces a public town school to travel even farther to the game. Like in situations where SBC schools have to play Bishop Hartley and such. I like the idea, these scenarios just popped in my head.
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Post by richrod on Jul 19, 2020 19:11:10 GMT -5
Would love to see higher seed play at home in the playoffs until the final four. Would have to save OHSAA money, they don't have to reimburse for as much travel and such. Plus, makes it better or more advantageous to be a higher seed or beat a higher seed for that matter. I think you could do the same for basketball at the district level. Highest seed hosts all the way through unless knocked out, then whoever beats them takes over that seed through the district tournament. Thoughts? I like the idea, just a few thoughts that popped in my head. Wouldn't the OHSAA reimburse around the same amount for travel? It would instead just be going to one school. For example, if #1 Sandusky is playing #2 Mansfield. Instead of reimbursing both schools for driving to say, Willard, they would instead reimburse Mansfield for going all the way to Sandusky and back, which would be the same distance as if they just met in the middle. Having the higher seed host is meant as a way to increase ticket sales. However when the private schools with small fan bases have the higher seed then it forces a public town school to travel even farther to the game. Like in situations where SBC schools have to play Bishop Hartley and such. I like the idea, these scenarios just popped in my head. Don't they also reimburse the host schools for some of the payment for workers? I get the far drives, I think you may get more of those earlier in the tournament? However a few years ago Orange had to go to St. Mary's in round one. I feel like those aren't as common the further into you get. Honestly, if they went back to 6 divisions with 12 making the playoffs, I think this would be even more feasible. IMO
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Post by edchambers on Jul 20, 2020 8:11:45 GMT -5
The basketball tournament (regional & state) has taken a hit netting less than $1.0 million each of the past two years ('18 & '19). Football has also taken a hit the past two years. What has football netted the last two years? Football netted between $1.1 and $1.2 million each of the past two years.
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Post by dude on Jul 20, 2020 8:18:19 GMT -5
What has football netted the last two years? Football netted between $1.1 and $1.2 million each of the past two years. So in a big picture for OHSAA the difference in funding brought in between basketball and football is not that much?
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Post by edchambers on Jul 20, 2020 8:29:08 GMT -5
I have heard that OHSAA is having financial issues. They lost several big revenue generators last winter and spring. The football playoffs also generate significant revenue. The problem with switching seasons is the calendar. Think about it, if the playoffs were to START at the beginning of June, and to have a 10 week season, you would need to start playing games in the middle of March. Thus, practice would need to start in late February. Thus, you have problems at the beginning of the season, with snow, basketball and wrestling, and at the end of the season with graduation. You could shorten the season to five or six games, or do away with the playoff, which would kill the OHSAA. Not really good options I've heard the same. I saw a basic financial report of their's but nothing detailed. I wish I could see something more specific because I don't understand how they have gotten in this position. Difficult to glean a whole lot from the information that appears in their board minutes. It has gotten even sketchier since both the CFO and finance director left but it didn't look like it was going to be a good year financially even before the coronavirus hit. Take away the revenue from the state/regional basketball tournaments and the state wrestling tournament and it gets uglier. There is financial information out there for the OHSAA if you do some digging. The IRS 990 for the fiscal year ending 7/31/18 had expenses exceeding revenue by $149K. That came after 10 years of revenue exceeding expenses.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jul 20, 2020 17:37:10 GMT -5
They got into this position largely because high school sports in Ohio is a declining medium for entertainment. I recall Jon Diebler and Upper pulling in high attendance for their state runs in 05 and 07. If you look at attendance figures for D2 basketball today, the numbers are darn near half of what they used to be, even if you wind up with town that historically would bring more attendance, like Defiance or Norwalk (versus Cleveland Central Catholic, SVSM, etc). Football is no different. I wouldn't be surprised if OHSAA was looking at a 20-30% attendance decline over the past decade. In FY 2007 (8/1/06 - 7/31/07), the OHSAA had revenue of $17.2 million and expenses of $18.3 million. For FY 2018 (8/1/17-7/31/18), the OHSAA had revenue of $19.2 million with expenses of $19.4 million. The basketball tournament (regional & state) has taken a hit netting less than $1.0 million each of the past two years ('18 & '19). Football has also taken a hit the past two years. Good numbers you found, thanks. $17.2 million in 2007, inflation adjusted for 2018, would be $21ish million. Surface level observations tell me OHSAA isn't getting as many eggs from the hen house as they used to. If you can't beat inflation, then you aren't growing.
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Post by Green Falcon on Jul 22, 2020 12:06:27 GMT -5
NCAC (D3) have canceled their season. OAC has not canceled as of yet. Dominoes are falling in Ohio.
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