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Post by jmorgret07 on Apr 6, 2020 10:43:22 GMT -5
Congrats to Cooper to committing to Marietta College for basketball.
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Post by edchambers on Apr 6, 2020 12:03:09 GMT -5
Jac Alexander from Oak Harbor also headed to Marietta for basketball.
Solid D3 program.
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Post by xlegend on Apr 6, 2020 13:42:32 GMT -5
Congrats to Cooper to committing to Marietta College for basketball. he might not be the only Willard player going there. They are a top tier d3 program.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 13:49:32 GMT -5
Upper’s Cam McCreary also going to Marietta.
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Post by xlegend on Apr 6, 2020 13:52:28 GMT -5
Upper’s Cam McCreary also going to Marietta. looks like that coach has gotten some of the best players in the area.pretty nice collection of talent!
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Post by dude on Apr 6, 2020 14:45:16 GMT -5
Upper’s Cam McCreary also going to Marietta. Cam's brother went there.
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Post by dude on Apr 6, 2020 14:52:26 GMT -5
Congrats to Cooper to committing to Marietta College for basketball. Extremely happy for this kid and he may be a very good fit at D3.
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Post by buckeyekid on Apr 6, 2020 21:28:40 GMT -5
Cooper is a really good student too. I would imagine he got a ton in grants etc etc from Marietta. He's a good kid, I think it's a nice landing spot for him. Good program and good education.
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Post by jimb on Apr 7, 2020 8:10:52 GMT -5
Congrats to Cooper to committing to Marietta College for basketball. A topic on a kid going to a DIII school for basketball. Glad for the kid, but come on Willard people.
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Post by dude on Apr 7, 2020 9:45:10 GMT -5
Congrats to Cooper to committing to Marietta College for basketball. A topic on a kid going to a DIII school for basketball. Glad for the kid, but come on Willard people. I thought the same but tried to play nice. The original talks were this kid was surely D2 and some fanatics even made comparisons to D1. Extremely happy for the kid.
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Post by fanofthegame on Apr 7, 2020 9:57:40 GMT -5
Congrats to Cooper to committing to Marietta College for basketball. A topic on a kid going to a DIII school for basketball. Glad for the kid, but come on Willard people. That shows what you know about college basketball at any level. Most D3 schools bring in 5-7 kids per year. Contrast that with football. Selective academic D3 schools bring in 40-50 and powerhouses like Mt Union bring in over 200. I’m not slighting D3 football. I had two boys play at that level, but the funnel for basketball is very narrow even at D3. Consider how many kids play basketball in high school and funnel that down to how many get to play in college. If he’s still playing his senior year even better. They weed them out with playing time.
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Post by dude on Apr 7, 2020 10:18:04 GMT -5
A topic on a kid going to a DIII school for basketball. Glad for the kid, but come on Willard people. That shows what you know about college basketball at any level. Most D3 schools bring in 5-7 kids per year. Contrast that with football. Selective academic D3 schools bring in 40-50 and powerhouses like Mt Union bring in over 200. I’m not slighting D3 football. I had two boys play at that level, but the funnel for basketball is very narrow even at D3. Consider how many kids play basketball in high school and funnel that down to how many get to play in college. If he’s still playing his senior year even better. They weed them out with playing time. You may not know as much as you claim. Marietta would regularly take in 10-12 freshman basketball players a year and that can drop to 4-6 soph on the roster the following year. A lot of schools have JV schedules now and take in over 10 kids a year with the plan to fill a JV or freshman roster. YOU mention Mt Union and their numbers, which I think you are high, it's closer to 80 but you would also need to mention they have a JV schedule. The Big Red do not so your boys were not on exactly the same level.
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Post by fanofthegame on Apr 7, 2020 10:38:41 GMT -5
That shows what you know about college basketball at any level. Most D3 schools bring in 5-7 kids per year. Contrast that with football. Selective academic D3 schools bring in 40-50 and powerhouses like Mt Union bring in over 200. I’m not slighting D3 football. I had two boys play at that level, but the funnel for basketball is very narrow even at D3. Consider how many kids play basketball in high school and funnel that down to how many get to play in college. If he’s still playing his senior year even better. They weed them out with playing time. You may not know as much as you claim. Marietta would regularly take in 10-12 freshman basketball players a year and that can drop to 4-6 soph on the roster the following year. A lot of schools have JV schedules now and take in over 10 kids a year with the plan to fill a JV or freshman roster. YOU mention Mt Union and their numbers, which I think you are high, it's closer to 80 but you would also need to mention they have a JV schedule. The Big Red do not so your boys were not on exactly the same level. My number of 5-7 was at academically competitive schools. My second oldest went on some basketball recruiting visits in addition to football. Even if we double that we’re talking 10-14 kids/year. In football the best kid on any team in Ohio can get a D3 school to take them and likely number 2, 3, or even 4. No way the best kid on every basketball team even gets a serious look let alone number 2 or 3.
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Post by fanofthegame on Apr 7, 2020 10:49:03 GMT -5
I couldn’t find many sites that gave number of recruits for Mount football. I found one that said over 100. That’s the best I could find. I have heard they have a full freshman and JV schedule.
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Post by dude on Apr 7, 2020 11:01:04 GMT -5
You may not know as much as you claim. Marietta would regularly take in 10-12 freshman basketball players a year and that can drop to 4-6 soph on the roster the following year. A lot of schools have JV schedules now and take in over 10 kids a year with the plan to fill a JV or freshman roster. YOU mention Mt Union and their numbers, which I think you are high, it's closer to 80 but you would also need to mention they have a JV schedule. The Big Red do not so your boys were not on exactly the same level. My number of 5-7 was at academically competitive schools. My second oldest went on some basketball recruiting visits in addition to football. Even if we double that we’re talking 10-14 kids/year. In football the best kid on any team in Ohio can get a D3 school to take them and likely number 2, 3, or even 4. No way the best kid on every basketball team even gets a serious look let alone number 2 or 3. That is simply the difference in roster numbers. But in most cases the best player on a HS basketball team can get on a college team. For the academically competitive schools most will not meet the academic needs of the school, so it's not 100% about the sport.
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Post by dude on Apr 7, 2020 11:04:12 GMT -5
I couldn’t find many sites that gave number of recruits for Mount football. I found one that said over 100. That’s the best I could find. I have heard they have a full freshman and JV schedule. The have what they call a freshman team and they play their JV schedule. They don't have both. They typically will field a full team of just freshman and the elite freshman are on varsity. After a single season those numbers decline just like most colleges. By the time the class are seniors they are a fraction of the ones that began.
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Post by fanofthegame on Apr 7, 2020 11:24:50 GMT -5
My number of 5-7 was at academically competitive schools. My second oldest went on some basketball recruiting visits in addition to football. Even if we double that we’re talking 10-14 kids/year. In football the best kid on any team in Ohio can get a D3 school to take them and likely number 2, 3, or even 4. No way the best kid on every basketball team even gets a serious look let alone number 2 or 3. That is simply the difference in roster numbers. But in most cases the best player on a HS basketball team can get on a college team. For the academically competitive schools most will not meet the academic needs of the school, so it's not 100% about the sport. I disagree with your statement that the best player on every high school basketball team can get on a D3 basketball team. If that were the case there would be a lot more threads like this. That would mean there are 13 or so Richland County kids on a college basketball team. I’d be surprised if it’s half that.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Apr 7, 2020 11:58:11 GMT -5
Congrats to Cooper to committing to Marietta College for basketball. A topic on a kid going to a DIII school for basketball. Glad for the kid, but come on Willard people. I didn't know where else to put it, plus it's almost like he's the best player on the most talked about team on here.
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Post by buckeyekid on Apr 7, 2020 11:59:56 GMT -5
I agree with fanofthegame----going to D3 and then playing and not sitting is what separates things. If you start on a D3 hoops team, for instance as a Freshman---you are a baller no if's and's or but's. Secondly, the major advantage of D3 is the Education and the fact that as a student athlete you can have a life too. I was told Cooper could have gone to Malone or ODU or Marietta for little out of pocket. Because he's a good student and a very desired player, Marietta was a better choice/ fit for him.
As a Willard fan, I'm happy for him and his family. He was a huge part in turning it around these past two years. He was 1st team all State and we enjoyed watching him these past seasons.
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Post by dude on Apr 7, 2020 12:53:37 GMT -5
That is simply the difference in roster numbers. But in most cases the best player on a HS basketball team can get on a college team. For the academically competitive schools most will not meet the academic needs of the school, so it's not 100% about the sport. I disagree with your statement that the best player on every high school basketball team can get on a D3 basketball team. If that were the case there would be a lot more threads like this. That would mean there are 13 or so Richland County kids on a college basketball team. I’d be surprised if it’s half that. No it would not. Many kids get interest from private D3 schools in sports and decide to go to much larger state schools for the education. Most kids know the commitment it takes and don't have the desire to keep going. Just because a kid plays a high school sport and is good at it does not mean they want to play college sports at any level.
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Post by portwalk on Apr 7, 2020 17:09:42 GMT -5
I disagree with your statement that the best player on every high school basketball team can get on a D3 basketball team. If that were the case there would be a lot more threads like this. That would mean there are 13 or so Richland County kids on a college basketball team. I’d be surprised if it’s half that. No it would not. Many kids get interest from private D3 schools in sports and decide to go to much larger state schools for the education. Most kids know the commitment it takes and don't have the desire to keep going. Just because a kid plays a high school sport and is good at it does not mean they want to play college sports at any level. Typically a child would choose a D3 school over a state school not the other way simply for teacher-student ratio. As for kids not wanting to play in college it is a job and at a D3 they are not getting paid gets old quick. I had two kids compete in D1 athletics it is a JOB and that reality hits you real quick. The ultimate goal is to get an education that results in a job and a career if sports is an avenue to assist you in that goal great...
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Post by buckeyekid on Apr 7, 2020 19:04:39 GMT -5
Good take by Portwalk.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 19:22:45 GMT -5
Congratulations to the local kids we've watched this past season, Kinda neat watching them moving on, with their decisions. While Tahj still waits for that D 1 call, Good luck with that. If I remember, Tahj wasn't interested in a D2 or D3 education.
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Post by dude on Apr 7, 2020 19:26:21 GMT -5
No it would not. Many kids get interest from private D3 schools in sports and decide to go to much larger state schools for the education. Most kids know the commitment it takes and don't have the desire to keep going. Just because a kid plays a high school sport and is good at it does not mean they want to play college sports at any level. Typically a child would choose a D3 school over a state school not the other way simply for teacher-student ratio. As for kids not wanting to play in college it is a job and at a D3 they are not getting paid gets old quick. I had two kids compete in D1 athletics it is a JOB and that reality hits you real quick. The ultimate goal is to get an education that results in a job and a career if sports is an avenue to assist you in that goal great... I'm not saying you are wrong but not all choices are the same. If you factor in the cost of a D3 private school against the D1 state school over 4 to 5 years it can be a deciding influence. Academic money can go anywhere but a kid playing at let's say, Denison can pay over $40k while the same kid choosing BGSU can go for less than $10k. I'm not saying they gt a better education but lest costly.
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Post by crimson5 on Apr 7, 2020 20:26:15 GMT -5
Just went thru this exact process with my daughter over the past 2 months. She was offered to play tennis at several D3 schools. We evaluated academic money, aid, etc., as well as what kind of "college experience" she wanted to have. She chose to attend a D1 school (Pre-law). Ultimately, the cost was a wash, but she wanted a larger university that offered a more diverse course catalog, as well as a more diverse student body, not too mention an abundance of social activities.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 7, 2020 23:41:16 GMT -5
I had a few offers to play at the D3 level, but decided my playing days should be over. One of them happened to be Marietta. SOOOOO my dad said he'd only pay for a State School. I picked BGSU, for what I thought was a very good reason at the time. Due to their excellent Elementary Education program BG had the highest ratio of female to male students of all State Schools. I told my dad it was due to their Industrial Management Degree program. Even back then I was deep into research.
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Post by royalballdad on Apr 8, 2020 5:16:37 GMT -5
Cooper will be playing for one of the top D3 basketball programs in the country and in the top D3 league (OAC) in the country. Plus for a coach (VanderWal) who if he stays there will a mass a win/loss record similar to Coach Moore at Wooster. Being recruited and then graduating still playing for one of the top tier D3 basketball programs will be a great accomplishment as there are very few players from the area that accomplish this. D3 Boys Basketball is different then the other D3 sports (is tennis track football etc...) in that there are only so many roster spots available. So typical these top D3 hoops programs recruit less than 10 players and usually only target 4-6 kids per recruited class. And if you do the research - teams like Wooster Mount Union Marietta John Carroll Wittenberg etc... will play the D2 schools like Tiffin Ashland ODU, Walsh, Malone etc... and most of the time win. This past season Wilmington a middle of the pack OAC team beat Tiffin by 20. A few seasons ago Wilmington beat Miami Ohio and Marietta lost to Ohio university by 8 but lead most the game by as many as 14. Ohio Northern of the OAC gave Toledo everything they could handle two seasons ago only down by 2 with 2 min to play. D3 basketball is much different then the other D3 sports. You can’t just be the best player on your HS team or even the best player in your HS team’s league... you have to be one of the top players in your region at minimum. Again do the research. Cooper should be very proud that a program like Marietta was interested in him. He will do very well there and I wouldn’t be surprised if during his 4 years there at Marietta they win a National Championship.
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Post by buckeyekid on Apr 8, 2020 5:18:45 GMT -5
There's a bit of a misconception regarding D3 school athletic programs. Especially hoops and football I'd say. People are under the idea that somehow if their kid was a HS starter,,maybe got honorable mention all state their senior year etc,,that they'd easily go D3 and play. Wrong,,you'd be shocked at the level of athletes that are at D3 schools, especially those 2 sports. I played D3 football for 4 years. The number of guys who lasted 1 year or 2 years and then quit because they couldn't cut it or weren't good enough was enormous.
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Post by falcon87 on Apr 8, 2020 6:39:28 GMT -5
The other HUGE misconception about being recruited D-III is the thought that every recruit will ever get to play. If you look at rosters many of them add 10 or more basketball players every year and 50 or more football players every year. Once a kid starts school they often stay at least for a few semesters or until they are done. The athletic programs at D-III programs are there to recruit students and they find athletes among them. Cost them some equipment and a practice jersey to bring in a kid. Some recruits didn't even start for their mediocre high school team (they don't last long but they tell everyone back home how they got recruited). They also get better athletes than people expect but generally what you see are students of the game and hard working athletes that will provide the ingredients for a good teams.
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Post by dude on Apr 8, 2020 7:06:30 GMT -5
Cooper will be playing for one of the top D3 basketball programs in the country and in the top D3 league (OAC) in the country. Plus for a coach (VanderWal) who if he stays there will a mass a win/loss record similar to Coach Moore at Wooster. Being recruited and then graduating still playing for one of the top tier D3 basketball programs will be a great accomplishment as there are very few players from the area that accomplish this. D3 Boys Basketball is different then the other D3 sports (is tennis track football etc...) in that there are only so many roster spots available. So typical these top D3 hoops programs recruit less than 10 players and usually only target 4-6 kids per recruited class. And if you do the research - teams like Wooster Mount Union Marietta John Carroll Wittenberg etc... will play the D2 schools like Tiffin Ashland ODU, Walsh, Malone etc... and most of the time win. This past season Wilmington a middle of the pack OAC team beat Tiffin by 20. A few seasons ago Wilmington beat Miami Ohio and Marietta lost to Ohio university by 8 but lead most the game by as many as 14. Ohio Northern of the OAC gave Toledo everything they could handle two seasons ago only down by 2 with 2 min to play. D3 basketball is much different then the other D3 sports. You can’t just be the best player on your HS team or even the best player in your HS team’s league... you have to be one of the top players in your region at minimum. Again do the research. Cooper should be very proud that a program like Marietta was interested in him. He will do very well there and I wouldn’t be surprised if during his 4 years there at Marietta they win a National Championship. Neither Wilmington or Tiffin have the other school on their basketball schedule?
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