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Post by Green Falcon on Apr 16, 2020 13:11:39 GMT -5
Anticipating a lack of ticket revenue from football, schools are cutting sports team. I expect many more to be cut over the next for weeks and months. Very sad for all those student-athletes that are getting their opportunities taken away. Is it fair to cut sports but save football and basketball? Should head coaches be paid less so that money can go to other sports? Should schools just cut football instead?
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Post by falcon87 on Apr 16, 2020 13:45:59 GMT -5
I can imagine that coaches "may" take pay cuts but that changes very little. The reality is that most "non-revenue" sports are paid by for by the student body with a few exceptions like The Ohio State. It's the student fees and additional money pumped in by the universities that keep the other 10 or so sports rolling so a college offers enough DI sports to be allowed to participate in DI basketball and football per NCAA requirements.
The universities waiving fees, refunding dorm fees and meal plans for the balance of this year and planning for uncertainty of next year's attendance/admissions has put athletic budgets in danger. Universities are scrambling to get students to attend next year with parent income, student income, college savings accounts and a fear of health danger within large groups all affecting a new reality on campuses. Some universities are waiving fees and adjusting commuting requirements to allow more students to live off campus next year. I would expect colleges to see their numbers down next fall even if everything could open seamlessly on May 1. The general opinion is a quick start is not going to happen, it's going to be a slow, and hopefully, steady re-start.
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Post by Green Falcon on Apr 16, 2020 15:14:03 GMT -5
I can imagine that coaches "may" take pay cuts but that changes very little. The reality is that most "non-revenue" sports are paid by for by the student body with a few exceptions like The Ohio State. It's the student fees and additional money pumped in by the universities that keep the other 10 or so sports rolling so a college offers enough DI sports to be allowed to participate in DI basketball and football per NCAA requirements. The universities waiving fees, refunding dorm fees and meal plans for the balance of this year and planning for uncertainty of next year's attendance/admissions has put athletic budgets in danger. Universities are scrambling to get students to attend next year with parent income, student income, college savings accounts and a fear of health danger within large groups all affecting a new reality on campuses. Some universities are waiving fees and adjusting commuting requirements to allow more students to live off campus next year. I would expect colleges to see their numbers down next fall even if everything could open seamlessly on May 1. The general opinion is a quick start is not going to happen, it's going to be a slow, and hopefully, steady re-start. I know a lot colleges do put money in the athletic budgets this way, but most schools fund their sports through football. For instance, Florida gets 85% of its budget from football. I'm sure a lot of schools are in this same situation and losing out on football revenue will hurt the whole athletic budget. I'm also curious how non football playing schools will compare to FBS and FCS schools.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 16, 2020 15:27:31 GMT -5
I can imagine that coaches "may" take pay cuts but that changes very little. The reality is that most "non-revenue" sports are paid by for by the student body with a few exceptions like The Ohio State. It's the student fees and additional money pumped in by the universities that keep the other 10 or so sports rolling so a college offers enough DI sports to be allowed to participate in DI basketball and football per NCAA requirements. The universities waiving fees, refunding dorm fees and meal plans for the balance of this year and planning for uncertainty of next year's attendance/admissions has put athletic budgets in danger. Universities are scrambling to get students to attend next year with parent income, student income, college savings accounts and a fear of health danger within large groups all affecting a new reality on campuses. Some universities are waiving fees and adjusting commuting requirements to allow more students to live off campus next year. I would expect colleges to see their numbers down next fall even if everything could open seamlessly on May 1. The general opinion is a quick start is not going to happen, it's going to be a slow, and hopefully, steady re-start. Many of those same Universities have $billions in endowments that do nothing but grow in perpetuity, tax free. Why shouldn't big fat professors and administrators donate to the good of the students by taking a temporary pay cut?
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Post by Green Falcon on Apr 16, 2020 16:17:15 GMT -5
So far Cincinnati men's soccer and Old Dominion wrestling have been cut.
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Post by falcon87 on Apr 16, 2020 16:39:50 GMT -5
The Endowment money is not to spent nor is it the professors money. It isn't to be borrowed from like the Feds do with the social security fund. When someone contributes to the endowment they pick the scholarship, professor, program or spot on campus they expect to be taken care of with the earnings from that investment. Some of it is endowed for athletics, not usually a large percent. At BGSU for example Scott Hamilton (figure skater / son of retired/deceased professor at BG) partially endowed a program in the business college that works on the concepts of entrepreneurs along with a visiting professor I believe. He didn't donate that money to be pulled for the tennis program.
As for the professors and administrators - they often purchase season tickets, join the Falcon Club at BG and sometimes even endow scholarships at free will (named the softball field after one at BG who has contributed to many sports for many years before endowing an athletic schollie). A school like mine cannot afford to cut their noses off by forcing these individuals to donate more.
When we talk about athletics completely funding itself, that is rare. Maybe 25% of the DI football schools. I was amazed to see some of the research when BG was cutting men's track, men's swimming, and men's tennis a couple of years ago. One comparison was to a bigger name in Missouri where they actually were offering less athletic teams than BG because they couldn't afford those additional programs. If you follow the ESPN top 25 schools you see something much different that the rest of the FBS, FCS, DII, and DIII schools of the NCAA.
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Post by falcon87 on Apr 16, 2020 17:14:23 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/sports/conferences-petition-ncaa-seeking-to-cut-sports.htmlThis article is what really has people talking since many schools have the minimum number of DI sports to be allowed to have men's basketball and/or football. It's easier to cut a few less expensive sports and then start them back up vs. starting over with football for example. This article indicates to me that many small t-shirt sale schools are considering cutting but getting permission first.
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Post by Green Falcon on Apr 16, 2020 19:35:45 GMT -5
I saw that, personally I think it is unfair. If a school is already at the minimum number of teams then they should probably rethink the athletic department to begin with.
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Post by Green Falcon on Apr 18, 2020 10:14:21 GMT -5
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Post by sportsjock on Apr 18, 2020 15:57:23 GMT -5
Title IX will assure those sports that get the axe, will be all or predominantly all male. Expect most to be re-instated, once the virus is contained or eliminated.
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Post by Green Falcon on Apr 21, 2020 11:05:24 GMT -5
The entirety of Urbana University is shutting down
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Post by falcon87 on Apr 21, 2020 15:50:35 GMT -5
350 college students attending there according to the Dispatch. Another 900 HS students took classes through them to keep it alive to this point. Didn’t realize they became a branch of Franklin in Columbus
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Post by falcon87 on Apr 21, 2020 16:00:25 GMT -5
The “Other 5” mid major D1 football programs are about to announce cuts in staffing, day trips for road games under 2 1/2 hours away and no hotels for home games. This is according to Toledo 11’s Jordan Strack’s twitter account. Football is doing its part but I still expect non- revenue sports to get cut.
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Post by Green Falcon on Apr 21, 2020 16:14:35 GMT -5
Unless the NCAA allows for the minimum varsity teams fielded number to be lowered that will be hard to do. Ohio and Toledo for example only has 6 men's sports and 9 women's sports. Playing games closer to home is good for everyone in all sports, less days spent traveling away from school and chances for more rivalries.
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Post by Green Falcon on Apr 21, 2020 16:18:24 GMT -5
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Post by falcon87 on Apr 21, 2020 16:59:26 GMT -5
Likely accurate info - often debated. Note 52% of my schools income is from student fees. This is where a lot of D1 mid majors are in serious trouble NOW - attendance in classrooms and dorms is more important than ticket sales
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Post by falcon87 on Apr 21, 2020 17:05:55 GMT -5
CINCINNATI gets 47% from institutional and government support (code for money meant to educate students but used for athletics aka indirect student support)
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Post by Green Falcon on Apr 26, 2020 9:53:18 GMT -5
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Post by falcon87 on Apr 26, 2020 17:50:49 GMT -5
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Post by Green Falcon on Apr 26, 2020 22:09:25 GMT -5
The OU chapter of the professors union called on for all sports to be self sufficient (including donations). Is this what a lot of MAC schools will be facing?
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Post by falcon87 on Apr 27, 2020 9:16:19 GMT -5
Akron built an expensive football stadium and made some other expensive improvements to campus a few years ago along with some other debatable admin decisions that really strapped them.
OU and CMU are similar with extreme enrollment problems. OU built back up in the 90’s but CMU is now in the middle of their decline.
Colleges have always had to manipulate athletic funding by building dorms, classrooms, ROTC programs and other essential funded projects inside stadiums and arenas.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 27, 2020 14:11:25 GMT -5
The OU chapter of the professors union called on for all sports to be self sufficient (including donations). Is this what a lot of MAC schools will be facing? All you need to do is use the word "union" and "college professors" in the same sentence and I lose what respect I had for them.
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Post by falcon87 on Apr 27, 2020 16:15:24 GMT -5
The OU chapter of the professors union called on for all sports to be self sufficient (including donations). Is this what a lot of MAC schools will be facing? All you need to do is use the word "union" and "college professors" in the same sentence and I lose what respect I had for them. Professors/instructors must have union protection. The politics on a college campus are extreme. Worked with a lady whose husband was a college instructor, well-respected, with great reviews. Change in chairs late summer and the whole department was flushed. After 20+ years in college ed with late notice you and your family almost go broke before you pick up the next gig a year later. In education people only get hired at certain points of the year and it’s a small window. Not a union fan myself but what I’ve found are administrators keep poor instructors because they won’t do paperwork on time.
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Post by dude on Apr 28, 2020 12:36:22 GMT -5
Happens all the time when leaders of departments, buildings, shops, stores or other businesses change. Those who have been there and plan to stay can be affected. It's part of every job.
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Post by 3yearletterman on May 2, 2020 6:29:36 GMT -5
The only sport that matters is football, and the only Conference that matters is the SEC.
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Post by Green Falcon on May 19, 2020 9:54:07 GMT -5
Cut sports so far Attachments:
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Post by dude on Jun 5, 2020 3:57:17 GMT -5
BGSU is not cutting baseball.
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Post by falcon87 on Jun 11, 2020 22:06:55 GMT -5
BGSU is not cutting baseball. No longer cut, just self-funded thanks to baseball alums like Columbus Clipper skipper Andy Tracy leading the charge getting donations from former MLB alums like Orel Hershiser or other interested baseball alums and supporters.
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