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Post by crimson5 on May 25, 2020 17:18:57 GMT -5
In order for individual scoring records / point totals to be consider for State and School records, do ALL the points for that individual need to be scored while playing for an OHSAA sponsored school? Many kids play for a couple different high schools during their career, and typically the points scored by that kid at any school count toward his career total. But what if one of those schools was not sanctioned by OHSAA?
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Post by sportsvideo on May 25, 2020 19:51:51 GMT -5
In order for individual scoring records / point totals to be consider for State and School records, do ALL the points for that individual need to be scored while playing for an OHSAA sponsored school? Many kids play for a couple different high schools during their career, and typically the points scored by that kid at any school count toward his career total. But what if one of those schools was not sanctioned by OHSAA? Yes,, lets say for the discussion. John Doe played at Arkansas Little Rock High School for 3 of his 4 years. His dad is transfered to Toledo Ohio, where the family moves to, the kid enrolls at Central Catholic. Lets say the kid scored 1500 points at arkansas, and scores 500 points for CC.. the 500 is what goes on the record for the OHSAA... not his 2000.. Reason being because each state is different on the amount of games played in a season, some states use a shot clock as well... |
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Post by crimson5 on May 25, 2020 22:35:40 GMT -5
In order for individual scoring records / point totals to be consider for State and School records, do ALL the points for that individual need to be scored while playing for an OHSAA sponsored school? Many kids play for a couple different high schools during their career, and typically the points scored by that kid at any school count toward his career total. But what if one of those schools was not sanctioned by OHSAA? Yes,, lets say for the discussion. John Doe played at Arkansas Little Rock High School for 3 of his 4 years. His dad is transfered to Toledo Ohio, where the family moves to, the kid enrolls at Central Catholic. Lets say the kid scored 1500 points at arkansas, and scores 500 points for CC.. the 500 is what goes on the record for the OHSAA... not his 2000.. Reason being because each state is different on the amount of games played in a season, some states use a shot clock as well... Ok, putting State borders aside, what if John Doe played for the Cleveland Christian Ruffriders (non sanctioned OHSAA high school) for 1 year and scored 400 points. Then transfered to Toledo CC for the next 3 years and scored 900 more points. How many total points go in the record books? |
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Post by dude on May 26, 2020 7:39:49 GMT -5
Yes,, lets say for the discussion. John Doe played at Arkansas Little Rock High School for 3 of his 4 years. His dad is transfered to Toledo Ohio, where the family moves to, the kid enrolls at Central Catholic. Lets say the kid scored 1500 points at arkansas, and scores 500 points for CC.. the 500 is what goes on the record for the OHSAA... not his 2000.. Reason being because each state is different on the amount of games played in a season, some states use a shot clock as well... Ok, putting State borders aside, what if John Doe played for the Cleveland Christian Ruffriders (non sanctioned OHSAA high school) for 1 year and scored 400 points. Then transfered to Toledo CC for the next 3 years and scored 900 more points. How many total points go in the record books? We could assume it would be the same answer since a school that is not operating under the OHSAA guidelines could also play any amount of games in a season. But I have never heard a question like this asked before so I can not say for sure what the answer would be. |
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Post by ronburgandy on May 26, 2020 10:03:00 GMT -5
crimson5, I’m willing to bet I know why you’re asking as I saw something on social media recently that raised some questions.
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Post by crimson5 on May 26, 2020 10:16:08 GMT -5
crimson5, I’m willing to bet I know why you’re asking as I saw something on social media recently that raised some questions. I'm willing to bet you are correct. |
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Post by jmorgret07 on May 26, 2020 12:53:07 GMT -5
In order for individual scoring records / point totals to be consider for State and School records, do ALL the points for that individual need to be scored while playing for an OHSAA sponsored school? Many kids play for a couple different high schools during their career, and typically the points scored by that kid at any school count toward his career total. But what if one of those schools was not sanctioned by OHSAA? If this has to do with what I think it does, for school records, it has to be at that school. State-record is maybe a different question, but no way should someone be in a school record book with 1,751 career points if he only scored 1,057 of them at said school. If that was the case, Fostoria claims Jon Diebler's 3,200+ because he played his freshman year at FHS. |
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Post by sportfan on May 26, 2020 15:00:27 GMT -5
Some unsanctioned schools play 30+ games a year. Of course those points would inflate a career total. I would venture to say points should only be accumulated and totaled for state sanctioned seasons.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 26, 2020 18:22:55 GMT -5
Stay at one school and enjoy the benefits.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 18:27:50 GMT -5
I like that name, The Cleveland Christian Ruffriders. You might be on to something.
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Post by dude on May 26, 2020 21:13:19 GMT -5
crimson5, I’m willing to bet I know why you’re asking as I saw something on social media recently that raised some questions. I was wondering something similar. I saw pictures with the signs reading 1000 dating back to last season but I noticed the Willard stats have him with under 950 for a career. |
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Post by sportsvideo on May 27, 2020 19:22:06 GMT -5
Yes,, lets say for the discussion. John Doe played at Arkansas Little Rock High School for 3 of his 4 years. His dad is transfered to Toledo Ohio, where the family moves to, the kid enrolls at Central Catholic. Lets say the kid scored 1500 points at arkansas, and scores 500 points for CC.. the 500 is what goes on the record for the OHSAA... not his 2000.. Reason being because each state is different on the amount of games played in a season, some states use a shot clock as well... Ok, putting State borders aside, what if John Doe played for the Cleveland Christian Ruffriders (non sanctioned OHSAA high school) for 1 year and scored 400 points. Then transfered to Toledo CC for the next 3 years and scored 900 more points. How many total points go in the record books? Again, not playing under OHSAA rules.. If you would allow this, why wouldnt you allow AAU scoring as well ?? What you score for a total as a school that is a member of the OHSAA is what is counted... Now if John Doe played at Sandusky, for 3 years scores 1500 points, then transfers to Perkins and scores 500 points... 2000 points goes into the record of the OHSAA... |
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Post by sportsvideo on May 27, 2020 19:59:22 GMT -5
In order for individual scoring records / point totals to be consider for State and School records, do ALL the points for that individual need to be scored while playing for an OHSAA sponsored school? Many kids play for a couple different high schools during their career, and typically the points scored by that kid at any school count toward his career total. But what if one of those schools was not sanctioned by OHSAA? If this has to do with what I think it does, for school records, it has to be at that school. State-record is maybe a different question, but no way should someone be in a school record book with 1,751 career points if he only scored 1,057 of them at said school. If that was the case, Fostoria claims Jon Diebler's 3,200+ because he played his freshman year at FHS. agree with you,,but that is up to the individual school... most schools won't honor what you did at another school,, only what you did for them....and thats really how it should be.. |
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Post by awebgsu on May 27, 2020 20:15:03 GMT -5
Ok, putting State borders aside, what if John Doe played for the Cleveland Christian Ruffriders (non sanctioned OHSAA high school) for 1 year and scored 400 points. Then transfered to Toledo CC for the next 3 years and scored 900 more points. How many total points go in the record books? Again, not playing under OHSAA rules.. If you would allow this, why wouldnt you allow AAU scoring as well ?? What you score for a total as a school that is a member of the OHSAA is what is counted... Now if John Doe played at Sandusky, for 3 years scores 1500 points, then transfers to Perkins and scores 500 points... 2000 points goes into the record of the OHSAA... I'd suspect the extent of the OHSAA record books is what they have listed on their website which right now requires 2200 points. They used to have the cut-off at 2000 points, and I'd be surprised if they actually maintained that list (or especially have added to it) when they deleted it from the website. If you threw in OJ Mayo's varsity points in Kentucky (as a 7th and 8th grader) and his Senior season at Huntington, WV he would surely qualify with over 2200 points. I did always enjoy the fact that Willard (or Willard fans) somewhere recognized Derek Heath as a 1,000 point scorer for them, even though he had already scored his 1,000 points at Buckeye Central before transferring for his Senior season. In inconsistent practices though, they include Paul Walker's 121 coaching wins from Kentucky as part of his career total while they considered him the states winningest coach. No mention that former National record holder Ralph Tasker's 1122 wins included 5 at Sulphur Springs, Ohio. |
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Post by sportsvideo on May 27, 2020 20:22:33 GMT -5
Again, not playing under OHSAA rules.. If you would allow this, why wouldnt you allow AAU scoring as well ?? What you score for a total as a school that is a member of the OHSAA is what is counted... Now if John Doe played at Sandusky, for 3 years scores 1500 points, then transfers to Perkins and scores 500 points... 2000 points goes into the record of the OHSAA... I'd suspect the extent of the OHSAA record books is what they have listed on their website which right now requires 2200 points. They used to have the cut-off at 2000 points, and I'd be surprised if they actually maintained that list (or especially have added to it) when they deleted it from the website. If you threw in OJ Mayo's varsity points in Kentucky (as a 7th and 8th grader) and his Senior season at Huntington, WV he would surely qualify with over 2200 points. I did always enjoy the fact that Willard (or Willard fans) somewhere recognized Derek Heath as a 1,000 point scorer for them, even though he had already scored his 1,000 points at Buckeye Central before transferring for his Senior season. In inconsistent practices though, they include Paul Walker's 121 coaching wins from Kentucky as part of his career total while they considered him the states winningest coach. No mention that former National record holder Ralph Tasker's 1122 wins included 5 at Sulphur Springs, Ohio. i take their records with a "grain of salt" some coaches do not use film for stats, they rely on the eye test, of during the game recording stats.. of course now we can rely on Hudl..but even then the accuracy isnt always there.. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 27, 2020 21:14:41 GMT -5
Again, not playing under OHSAA rules.. If you would allow this, why wouldnt you allow AAU scoring as well ?? What you score for a total as a school that is a member of the OHSAA is what is counted... Now if John Doe played at Sandusky, for 3 years scores 1500 points, then transfers to Perkins and scores 500 points... 2000 points goes into the record of the OHSAA... I'd suspect the extent of the OHSAA record books is what they have listed on their website which right now requires 2200 points. They used to have the cut-off at 2000 points, and I'd be surprised if they actually maintained that list (or especially have added to it) when they deleted it from the website. If you threw in OJ Mayo's varsity points in Kentucky (as a 7th and 8th grader) and his Senior season at Huntington, WV he would surely qualify with over 2200 points. I did always enjoy the fact that Willard (or Willard fans) somewhere recognized Derek Heath as a 1,000 point scorer for them, even though he had already scored his 1,000 points at Buckeye Central before transferring for his Senior season. In inconsistent practices though, they include Paul Walker's 121 coaching wins from Kentucky as part of his career total while they considered him the states winningest coach. No mention that former National record holder Ralph Tasker's 1122 wins included 5 at Sulphur Springs, Ohio. Good stuff. |
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Post by dude on May 28, 2020 7:37:41 GMT -5
i take their records with a "grain of salt" some coaches do not use film for stats, they rely on the eye test, of during the game recording stats.. of course now we can rely on Hudl..but even then the accuracy isnt always there.. Many stats are judgement but points is the easiest to confirm I would say. |
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Post by truecrimson on May 28, 2020 7:44:06 GMT -5
In order for individual scoring records / point totals to be consider for State and School records, do ALL the points for that individual need to be scored while playing for an OHSAA sponsored school? Many kids play for a couple different high schools during their career, and typically the points scored by that kid at any school count toward his career total. But what if one of those schools was not sanctioned by OHSAA? If this has to do with what I think it does, for school records, it has to be at that school. State-record is maybe a different question, but no way should someone be in a school record book with 1,751 career points if he only scored 1,057 of them at said school. If that was the case, Fostoria claims Jon Diebler's 3,200+ because he played his freshman year at FHS. No way does a player get in said record books with 1751 points at Willard if a good portion of those points were scored at a non sanctioned OHSAA school. |
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Post by dude on May 28, 2020 8:07:10 GMT -5
If this has to do with what I think it does, for school records, it has to be at that school. State-record is maybe a different question, but no way should someone be in a school record book with 1,751 career points if he only scored 1,057 of them at said school. If that was the case, Fostoria claims Jon Diebler's 3,200+ because he played his freshman year at FHS. No way does a player get in said record books with 1751 points at Willard if a good portion of those points were scored at a non sanctioned OHSAA school. Just a question. Would it matter if those points were scored at a sanctioned school? I would support recognizing only the points scored at your school when it comes to your school's record books.. |
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Post by truecrimson on May 29, 2020 5:36:13 GMT -5
No way does a player get in said record books with 1751 points at Willard if a good portion of those points were scored at a non sanctioned OHSAA school. Just a question. Would it matter if those points were scored at a sanctioned school? I would support recognizing only the points scored at your school when it comes to your school's record books.. Quite honestly, no. As someone stated earlier if it is for a state record, maybe the combined points hold water. The names on the leader boards at these schools are or should be points scored AT THAT SCHOOL (IMO). |
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Post by dude on May 29, 2020 6:35:05 GMT -5
Just a question. Would it matter if those points were scored at a sanctioned school? I would support recognizing only the points scored at your school when it comes to your school's record books.. Quite honestly, no. As someone stated earlier if it is for a state record, maybe the combined points hold water. The names on the leader boards at these schools are or should be points scored AT THAT SCHOOL (IMO). I agree with that. I know that Mansfield recognized a kid a few years back that scored points at a small D4 before transferring. |
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Post by awebgsu on May 29, 2020 7:31:18 GMT -5
Quite honestly, no. As someone stated earlier if it is for a state record, maybe the combined points hold water. The names on the leader boards at these schools are or should be points scored AT THAT SCHOOL (IMO). I agree with that. I know that Mansfield recognized a kid a few years back that scored points at a small D4 before transferring. I think it's fine for a school to recognize someone at the time they hit 1,000 (or some other arbitrary number) in their career. If your going to include their totals in any listings you have at the school, or in print though, it would be fine place to use an asterisk. This area has had a lot of players hit 1,000 between multiple schools, whether they were from consolidation on transfers. Jon Diebler (Fostoria & Upper Sandusky) Noland Robinson (Norwalk & Willard) Bob Hoyt (Butler & Clear Fork - consolidation) Jeremiah Diebler (Willard & Gibsonburg) Cooper Parrott (Western Reserve Academy & Willard) - My guess is this is the one that started the questions Derek Heath (Buckeye Central & Willard) Ed McCants (Marion Harding & Marion Catholic) David Groff (Union & Crestview - consolidation) Derek Goodman (Gilead Christian & Cardington) (Gilead Christian did not offer basketball his JR/SR season) Joel Guth (Clear Fork & Willard) Mason Campbell (St. Peter's & Madison) Nathan Shoup (Pleasant & Marion Catholic) Boyd Purcell (North Fairfield & South Central - consolidation) Mike Schifer (Mt. Zion & Wynford - consolidation) Jason Ellis (Ridgedale & Marion Harding) - I know they have his name hanging on a banner in the gym and it ****** off some alum Rod Brewer (Mt. Gilead & Northmor) Rick Smith (Attica & Seneca East - consolidation) Camron McCreary (Colonel Crawford & Upper Sandusky) Troy DuMonte (Carey & New Riegel) Tom Bogner (Republic & Tiffin Columbian) Maynard Goare (Chesterville & Edison [Morrow County]) Sam Gehbardt (Lykens & Holmes-Liberty - consolidation) Neil Walcher (North Fairfield & South Central - consolidation) Josh Alexander (Ontario & Wynford) Terrence Carmichael (Mansfield Malabar & Mansfield Senior - consolidation) Calvin Dietz (Crestline & Shelby) Don Givens (Sparta & Marengo - consolidation) Tony Augspurger (Twin Valley South & Willard) |
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Post by dude on May 29, 2020 7:52:10 GMT -5
Is anyone surprised how many times Willard is on this list?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 29, 2020 10:44:49 GMT -5
Not really....and those are just the ones with 1000 points scored.  |
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Post by usramfan on May 30, 2020 7:54:46 GMT -5
Upper has acknowledged both Dieblers and Cameron McCreary as 1,000-point scorers even though a portion of their points were earned at other schools.
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Post by dude on May 30, 2020 9:31:13 GMT -5
Upper has acknowledged both Dieblers and Cameron McCreary as 1,000-point scorers even though a portion of their points were earned at other schools. Acknowledging a 1,000 point scorer is one thing. Having them take a place in your school's record books can be something different. Diebler is the leading point scorer in Upper history even without his Fostoria points. McCreary may be top 5 with his CC points but may not be in the top 25 without them. |
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Post by awebgsu on May 30, 2020 22:13:23 GMT -5
Upper has acknowledged both Dieblers and Cameron McCreary as 1,000-point scorers even though a portion of their points were earned at other schools. The silly thing is Jake had around 1375 at Fostoria before he transferred to Upper. |
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