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Post by truecrimson on Feb 4, 2021 19:18:52 GMT -5
I can tell you in Norwalk there aren't 80 in MS playing Football. Maybe 50. And I hate to say it, but this past season's 8th grade? Consistently beat by 40-50 points. My son was on that team, so very painful to endure. Okay, that is still 35 more than Willard. Point is, the MS in Willard is a HS killer for the program right now and everyone knows it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 23:11:23 GMT -5
Wasn't Willard testing the waters in the River, A few years back ? Prior to Shelby leaving the Bay, Cause it wasn't competitive enuff for the Whippets. I have heard rumblings Willard has asked the league to move to the river As for shelby... They could have played in the Lake... They wanted the Bay for football. But played in the Lake for everything else I believe. That seems like a long time ago.
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 7, 2021 9:12:53 GMT -5
Wasn't Willard testing the waters in the River, A few years back ? Prior to Shelby leaving the Bay, Cause it wasn't competitive enuff for the Whippets. I have heard rumblings Willard has asked the league to move to the river As for shelby... They could have played in the Lake... They wanted the Bay for football. But played in the Lake for everything else I believe. That seems like a long time ago. I hate the mentality of, we can’t compete in this league for whatever reason. kids are kids are kids and if you can’t compete you either have the wrong personnel in there or your system needs overhauled to fix the excuses.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 7, 2021 9:44:27 GMT -5
Coaching is very important no doubt. But there's other factors in Football that you don't have in other sports. First and formeost the # Number of kids in the football program is hugely important. Second the makeup of your student body. What sports do they like to play and follow. Case in point---from a % standpoint, I bet the # of kids watching or caring about watching the Super Bowl at Willard HS compared to say Oak Harbor, Huron, Tiffin , Clyde, Norwalk, Bellevue or a Colonel Crawford. I would bet WHS viewing it would be the bottom by a mile. It has a lot to do with poverty and the racial makeup of the student body.
The makeup of the student body is way way different from when I graduated in 1982 I know that.
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 7, 2021 9:53:38 GMT -5
I have heard rumblings Willard has asked the league to move to the river As for shelby... They could have played in the Lake... They wanted the Bay for football. But played in the Lake for everything else I believe. That seems like a long time ago. I hate the mentality of, we can’t compete in this league for whatever reason. kids are kids are kids and if you can’t compete you either have the wrong personnel in there or your system needs overhauled to fix the excuses. It was because of number of schools in other sports that teams bumped to even things out. Old Fort and New Riegel didn’t have football so for basketball (for instance), Margaretta and Willard bumped up and then Shelby bumped up to Lake. When Shelby left Vermilion replaced them in that regard and of course Willard stayed in Bay for everything. Willard has asked to be back in River but it isn’t happening.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 7, 2021 9:56:03 GMT -5
It's hurting us bigtime in the coaching search--100% fact. Not a guess. I'm speaking about being in the Bay for Football.
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 7, 2021 10:01:18 GMT -5
It's hurting us bigtime in the coaching search--100% fact. Not a guess. I'm speaking about being in the Bay for Football. Amongst many other factors.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 7, 2021 10:12:01 GMT -5
agreed
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 7, 2021 10:29:22 GMT -5
0% confidence in this selection process. They will bring someone in and in 3 years searching for another coach. If Saban applied for the position and was the only one that applied they would not bring him in because he would do things his way and they hate that, look at what happened to Hawkins. This is a waste of discussion time, they take the path of least resistance.
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 7, 2021 10:31:57 GMT -5
I hate the mentality of, we can’t compete in this league for whatever reason. kids are kids are kids and if you can’t compete you either have the wrong personnel in there or your system needs overhauled to fix the excuses. It was because of number of schools in other sports that teams bumped to even things out. Old Fort and New Riegel didn’t have football so for basketball (for instance), Margaretta and Willard bumped up and then Shelby bumped up to Lake. When Shelby left Vermilion replaced them in that regard and of course Willard stayed in Bay for everything. Willard has asked to be back in River but it isn’t happening. Like I said, people can come up with a million excuses and to be able to define a problem you have to first know what the problem is or acknowledge it. Now, if you had 15 kids playing football I would say, tough to compete, but you have 40 kids playing.
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Post by duckdude on Feb 7, 2021 11:05:29 GMT -5
As a parent of a freshman on this year's team I am hoping for the best. Last year was tough for everyone. There is some talent walking the halls we just need to get them to go out.
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Post by crimson5 on Feb 8, 2021 18:39:50 GMT -5
As a parent of a freshman on this year's team I am hoping for the best. Last year was tough for everyone. There is some talent walking the halls we just need to get them to go out. Does anyone (Administration) take the time to ask the kids what they think? Of course not, that would make too much sense. Getting input from as many stakeholders as possible is always beneficial. I know this first hand... 1. Several key players are on the fence about playing next season (starting QB, best wide out in the league, another starting wide out) 2. Why? Because they are tired of getting humiliated on Friday night. 3. Practice during the week is a joke, no structure, no focus, no plan to improve. My son has asked my opinion several times. My advice has been first, have no regrets when you graduate. Second, what personal goals do you want to accomplish in football, and other sports. What goals are most important to you. How will playing football impact you achieving the goals that are most important to you. Lastly, again have no regrets when you graduate. The biggest downside in his mind of playing football is the inability to compete as a team. He says we are so far behind the other teams in our league that its not fun. Why play if you're not enjoying it.
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 8, 2021 23:19:44 GMT -5
As a parent of a freshman on this year's team I am hoping for the best. Last year was tough for everyone. There is some talent walking the halls we just need to get them to go out. Does anyone (Administration) take the time to ask the kids what they think? Of course not, that would make too much sense. Getting input from as many stakeholders as possible is always beneficial. I know this first hand... 1. Several key players are on the fence about playing next season (starting QB, best wide out in the league, another starting wide out) 2. Why? Because they are tired of getting humiliated on Friday night. 3. Practice during the week is a joke, no structure, no focus, no plan to improve. My son has asked my opinion several times. My advice has been first, have no regrets when you graduate. Second, what personal goals do you want to accomplish in football, and other sports. What goals are most important to you. How will playing football impact you achieving the goals that are most important to you. Lastly, again have no regrets when you graduate. The biggest downside in his mind of playing football is the inability to compete as a team. He says we are so far behind the other teams in our league that its not fun. Why play if you're not enjoying it. You know as well as I know they could give two poops about football in this town. The selection process is a joke, the hiring process is a joke and the vetting process is a joke. Tell your son to save his body for basketball, next year will be another rebuilding year, like we haven’t heard that a million times.
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Feb 10, 2021 6:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by goblue on Feb 10, 2021 6:14:56 GMT -5
With all the coaching turnover they have had. I'm curious what you guys think. Over/under next head coach to last 3 years.
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 10, 2021 8:28:17 GMT -5
With all the coaching turnover they have had. I'm curious what you guys think. Over/under next head coach to last 3 years. It will come down to the hiring process. They need to change their process because what they are doing obviously isn't working. If they get a pool of applicants that are considered "will do" then that number will be under 3. If they thoroughly do this the right way and give the coach complete control they may get someone in that can change the culture and start to build a program again. There are plenty of really good athletic kids roaming the halls at Willard. The commitment to a new coach is they will find a way to build a state of the art weight room and possibly an indoor training facility. I think those are the first steps to rebuilding this program.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 10, 2021 10:52:44 GMT -5
I'm def for building the indoor facility I know that. That would transform a number of our athletic programs. I'd even support with significant funds. Not sure the community would go for it if it meant tax dollars,,in fact I'm about 80% sure they wouldn't. But,,I'd listen if someone approached me with a donation request because I want our school to be successful and the momentum was there to do this privately without a tax request from the residents.
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 10, 2021 11:36:06 GMT -5
I'm def for building the indoor facility I know that. That would transform a number of our athletic programs. I'd even support with significant funds. Not sure the community would go for it if it meant tax dollars,,in fact I'm about 80% sure they wouldn't. But,,I'd listen if someone approached me with a donation request because I want our school to be successful and the momentum was there to do this privately without a tax request from the residents. It will take private funding and a hell of a fundraising project but it is doable. That is how you start to turn the tide.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 10, 2021 11:50:46 GMT -5
agree
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Post by jvchesster on Feb 10, 2021 12:02:57 GMT -5
Judging by the size of most of the athletes in Willard, they need a good weight trainer. It takes years of serious weight and agility training to compete physically in the sbc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 12:34:29 GMT -5
Drug Mart would agree with building an Indoor Facility, As long as the Soccer program gets to use it too, He might participate in the Fundraising for it. I took the Liberty, And thought I'd save him a post.
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Post by whsbcs88 on Feb 10, 2021 16:33:31 GMT -5
Hearing it is already in motion, the OC will likely get the job. Who was the Oc? The oc was Preston See from crestview and coached at madison seems to have his heart in it and wants to be totally invested already is pushing kids to the weight room for two sessions 3 days a week... the problem I seen last year was practice wasn’t taken seriously by the kids and that falls on the head coach he only coached the running backs didn’t have his hand in much. As for the need to get involved in thunder bolts that won’t happen that’s not affiliated with the school and they don’t want coaches from the football program involved they need to bring back camps for kids get them interested in football and do a school affiliated biddy program and ran by coaches and varsity players have everyone invested not just the coaches in the end juniors and seniors is what younger kids look up to
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 10, 2021 18:11:27 GMT -5
The oc was Preston See from crestview and coached at madison seems to have his heart in it and wants to be totally invested already is pushing kids to the weight room for two sessions 3 days a week... the problem I seen last year was practice wasn’t taken seriously by the kids and that falls on the head coach he only coached the running backs didn’t have his hand in much. As for the need to get involved in thunder bolts that won’t happen that’s not affiliated with the school and they don’t want coaches from the football program involved they need to bring back camps for kids get them interested in football and do a school affiliated biddy program and ran by coaches and varsity players have everyone invested not just the coaches in the end juniors and seniors is what younger kids look up to Tough on kids changing coaches every few years and changing a system they have learned. I agree, lot more involvement from the head coach and more say over what happens in the entire program, whether that is camps, biddy or educating parents. Need to get someone in there that is firm and can put a solid foundation around himself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 18:17:01 GMT -5
The oc was Preston See from crestview and coached at madison seems to have his heart in it and wants to be totally invested already is pushing kids to the weight room for two sessions 3 days a week... the problem I seen last year was practice wasn’t taken seriously by the kids and that falls on the head coach he only coached the running backs didn’t have his hand in much. As for the need to get involved in thunder bolts that won’t happen that’s not affiliated with the school and they don’t want coaches from the football program involved they need to bring back camps for kids get them interested in football and do a school affiliated biddy program and ran by coaches and varsity players have everyone invested not just the coaches in the end juniors and seniors is what younger kids look up to Tough on kids changing coaches every few years and changing a system they have learned. I agree, lot more involvement from the head coach and more say over what happens in the entire program, whether that is camps, biddy or educating parents. Need to get someone in there that is firm and can put a solid foundation around himself. you need capable assistants as well along with a board and admin who will support and give time... every article you read in the paper involving Willard admin and board is usually eluding to dysfunction but I could be wrong as I am not on the inside.
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Post by goflashes on Feb 11, 2021 15:08:46 GMT -5
any update on the search?
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Post by clb6110 on Feb 11, 2021 18:10:36 GMT -5
I ask you BK but I doubt you know the answer and that's ok too. In a situation like this I know the new coach hires his staff...of course.Do those new staff members get priority on new school openings? I was told from a reliable source,VERY Reliable, that a few teaching openings were filled by FB staff members last season cause Cade needed them. Now he's gone,does the new hire get any say in the placing of his staff members in possible new openings in the system? My very close source was told last fall she was equally qualified and down to the last 2 for an opening but the new coach needed a certain asst for his staff and he got the teaching job. Is there ever talk about what school openings there are for not just head coach,I get that, but possible asst coaches? If so it sure seems like a poor way to hire teachers.
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Post by whsbcs88 on Feb 11, 2021 18:22:57 GMT -5
I ask you BK but I doubt you know the answer and that's ok too. In a situation like this I know the new coach hires his staff...of course.Do those new staff members get priority on new school openings? I was told from a reliable source,VERY Reliable, that a few teaching openings were filled by FB staff members last season cause Cade needed them. Now he's gone,does the new hire get any say in the placing of his staff members in possible new openings in the system? My very close source was told last fall she was equally qualified and down to the last 2 for an opening but the new coach needed a certain asst for his staff and he got the teaching job. Is there ever talk about what school openings there are for not just head coach,I get that, but possible asst coaches? If so it sure seems like a poor way to hire teachers. Only one coach joined the staff that was a teacher last year the oc and Kade didn’t know him personally... didn’t recruit him either and the year before that Kade was the only new teacher that was on the staff also
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Feb 11, 2021 18:49:04 GMT -5
Post by clb6110 on Feb 11, 2021 18:49:04 GMT -5
Fair enough. But they did hire an OC as a teacher that the HC didn't know personally? I guess we know how that worked out.
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Post by whsbcs88 on Feb 11, 2021 18:59:03 GMT -5
Fair enough. But they did hire an OC as a teacher that the HC didn't know personally? I guess we know how that worked out. they hired a teacher then asked if he wanted to coach, he said yea and Kade didn’t have an oc so he went with him.
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Feb 11, 2021 19:13:11 GMT -5
Post by clb6110 on Feb 11, 2021 19:13:11 GMT -5
Ok Thanks for responding.
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Post by clb6110 on Feb 11, 2021 19:42:36 GMT -5
BTW Good Luck tonight. Bring home a winner!!
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