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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 25, 2020 22:10:17 GMT -5
so it leads me to ask...if van wert, bellevue, huron, shelby, and keystone all finish 6-0 how in the world do you seed it ?? The question is already at hand how to seed them all at 5-0 (slide in Wauseon instead of Van Wert btw, VW lost tonight) The coaches vote this coming week (29th and 30th) and the brackets are being assembled on Thursday Oct 1. Week 6 won't matter when it comes to seeding. |
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 25, 2020 22:12:31 GMT -5
big highlights tonight... two pick 6's a 40 yard field goal, and an incredible 72 yard punt that wasn't even wind aided..all leading to a 25-6 win... so it leads me to ask...if van wert, bellevue, huron, shelby, and keystone all finish 6-0 how in the world do you seed it ?? Didn't Van Wert lose this evening? |
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Post by utsherman on Sept 25, 2020 22:16:16 GMT -5
big highlights tonight... two pick 6's a 40 yard field goal, and an incredible 72 yard punt that wasn't even wind aided..all leading to a 25-6 win... so it leads me to ask...if van wert, bellevue, huron, shelby, and keystone all finish 6-0 how in the world do you seed it ?? Didn't Van Wert lose this evening? Yes. OG beat them 35-34. I believe Van Wert may have failed on a 2-pt conversion, and subsequently failed to recover the onside kick. |
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 25, 2020 22:19:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't sleep on Wauseon in the seeding as well
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Post by utsherman on Sept 25, 2020 22:24:23 GMT -5
Wapak took down Kenton as well.
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Post by sportsvideo on Sept 25, 2020 22:33:45 GMT -5
big highlights tonight... two pick 6's a 40 yard field goal, and an incredible 72 yard punt that wasn't even wind aided..all leading to a 25-6 win... so it leads me to ask...if van wert, bellevue, huron, shelby, and keystone all finish 6-0 how in the world do you seed it ?? Didn't Van Wert lose this evening? ok i did see that... either or still a mess to sort out and not sure how you go about doing it.. everyone is going to bang their own drum sorta speak... |
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 25, 2020 22:35:57 GMT -5
As mentioned on the MOAC subforum, I imagine a lot of the coaches will have a look at Joe Eitel to see how the computer points shake out to aid them in some of their seeding choices.
On that note, Shelby should overtake Bellevue for #1 in that regard, after their win vs a 4-0 compared to ours against an 0-4. I think Keystone could possibly catch Bellevue too with their win over 4-0 Firelands, but I'm not doing the math.
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Post by sportsvideo on Sept 25, 2020 22:38:55 GMT -5
As mentioned on the MOAC subforum, I imagine a lot of the coaches will have a look at Joe Eitel to see how the computer points shake out to aid them in some of their seeding choices. On that note, Shelby should overtake Bellevue for #1 in that regard, after their win vs a 4-0 compared to ours against an 0-4. I think Keystone could possibly catch Bellevue too with their win over 4-0 Firelands, but I'm not doing the math. maybe they shouldve used it... alot of political opinions are going to take place.. and you can't always go by the scores... if i used scores,, there is no way in hell Huron does that to Port Clinton... i would've never guessed it off the film i saw... so i don't know... |
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 25, 2020 22:49:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'm all that concerned with Keystone.
A Bellevue-Shelby matchup?
Please and....... thank you!
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 25, 2020 23:08:05 GMT -5
Harbins are in on Eitel
Shelby #1, Bellevue and Keystone tied for #2, Huron #4, then Van Wert, Ontario Firelands and Kenton, undefeated Wauseon is #9 and Napoleon rounds out the top 10.
I imagine Wauseon will get a bump in the polling and end up with one of the 8 byes. Neat to see Ontario in the mix. Will be interesting to see where Clyde ends up, they are 17th in harbins, but I think they'll get a decent bump.
Other SBC teams current harbin ranking: PC 11th, Edison 15th, Perkins 23rd, Vermilion 24th.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 25, 2020 23:20:56 GMT -5
Note I split this discussion into its own thread so that we weren't hijacking a game thread anymore Also, the bracket will look something like this as far as the seeding pairings go. Though the OHSAA will have it with the better seeds on the top line at the start...and then from there on the home team will be determined by the team on the top line regardless of seed. (edit to update, they changed it to higher seeds hosts)  |
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Post by Skip Bayless on Sept 26, 2020 6:39:25 GMT -5
I watched that Huron - Port Clinton game online. Huron is loaded!! offense, defense and that punter WOW! he kicked that ball from the 15 yard line and it was downed on the 1 ! A linemen interception for a touchdown. They have it all working for them.
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Post by runshoot on Sept 26, 2020 7:51:57 GMT -5
I watched that Huron - Port Clinton game online. Huron is loaded!! offense, defense and that punter WOW! he kicked that ball from the 15 yard line and it was downed on the 1 ! A linemen interception for a touchdown. They have it all working for them. one of the port clinton parents said he thought huron was the best team they've played this year when it comes to offense, defense and specials. |
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 26, 2020 10:26:04 GMT -5
I will confess, in a potential Bellevue-Huron matchup, it'll be Special Teams that may enable Tigers get by Redmen.
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Post by richrod on Sept 26, 2020 12:28:20 GMT -5
I will confess, in a potential Bellevue-Huron matchup, it'll be Special Teams that may enable Tigers get by Redmen. I'll disagree. Based on the articles after the last two games Bellevue controlled the ball for over 30 minutes a game. Id say line play makes the difference over special teams. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 26, 2020 13:42:10 GMT -5
Harbins are in on Eitel Shelby #1, Bellevue and Keystone tied for #2, Huron #4, then Van Wert, Ontario Firelands and Kenton, undefeated Wauseon is #9 and Napoleon rounds out the top 10. I imagine Wauseon will get a bump in the polling and end up with one of the 8 byes. Neat to see Ontario in the mix. Will be interesting to see where Clyde ends up, they are 17th in harbins, but I think they'll get a decent bump. Other SBC teams current harbin ranking: PC 11th, Edison 15th, Perkins 23rd, Vermilion 24th. With coaches voting, I could see Ontario dropping a bunch of spots from their #6 seed. Maybe as low as #12. There are only 3 other MOAC teams, 6 SBC teams and the majority of schools are from western Ohio. No one has heard of Ontario when it comes to football. Different coaches for different reasons will move up Firelands, they're 4-1. Kenton, their history. Wausean they're 5-0. Napolean they're 4-1. Port Clinton, SBC. Edison 4-1 SBC. Clyde defending State Champs, SBC. Not saying any of them aren't reasonable reasons, but Harbin and Joe Eitel wouldn't think so. It will be interesting. In either case they'll get to host, but not many fans in the stands will be hard. Ontario has only made the playoffs twice. |
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 26, 2020 14:43:37 GMT -5
I will confess, in a potential Bellevue-Huron matchup, it'll be Special Teams that may enable Tigers get by Redmen. I'll disagree. Based on the articles after the last two games Bellevue controlled the ball for over 30 minutes a game. Id say line play makes the difference over special teams. I believe that's a solid point. I'm just reminded of 1992 game, Ha! My age is showing. |
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Post by 419bossman on Sept 26, 2020 16:02:30 GMT -5
Now this is totally hypothetical but if the coaches vote based on the harbin point system this is what the bracket will look like
#17 Clyde at #16 Galion winner plays #1 Shelby
#24 Vermillion at #9 Wauseon winner plays #8 Kenton
#20 Wooster Triway at #13 Bryan winner plays #4 Huron
#21 Clear Fork at #12 Rossford winner plays #5 Van Wert
#18 Lorain Clearview at #15 Edison winner plays #2 Bellevue
#23 Sandusky Perkins at #10 Napoleon winner plays #7 Firelands
#19 Brookside at #14 Lutheran West winner plays #3 Keystone
#22 Upper Sandusky at #11 Port Clinton winner plays #6 Ontario
Now I am not saying this is how the votes will go but I wouldn't be surprised that this is how the rankings would pan out. We will all see on October 1.
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Post by Birdman on Sept 26, 2020 22:44:35 GMT -5
This is going to be an exciting region, to see how the cards fall.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 28, 2020 17:06:37 GMT -5
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Post by baldref on Sept 28, 2020 19:49:25 GMT -5
Since when did cleveland.com give a rat's xxx about this region? Keystone perhaps?
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Post by sportsvideo on Sept 28, 2020 21:15:36 GMT -5
before they begin to worry about a potential matchup against the other unbeatens,, probably should focus on winning their first one first..... and voting shelby 4th shows what idiots cleveland . com really is.. they have no clue... |
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Post by smitty1974 on Sept 28, 2020 21:35:13 GMT -5
totally agree with you sportsvideo.. cleveland.com is prejudice for teams in their coverage area like keystone and firelands and the lorain county league dont stand next to shelby,huron,bellvue,clyde napoleon,van wert and wauseon who play tougher schedules and maybe firelands and keystone might not beat edison and port clinton.
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 29, 2020 0:46:41 GMT -5
Shelby is no worse than second. I think I'm fine with Bellevue #1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 6:00:06 GMT -5
People are complaining that someone did a write up about this region? Wish I could say I’m surprised but I’m not lol
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Post by baldref on Sept 29, 2020 8:35:00 GMT -5
People are complaining that someone did a write up about this region? Wish I could say I’m surprised but I’m not lol Think the point is that some yahoo at a desk in Cleveland who has never seen Bellevue, Huron, Shelby, Van Wert, Ontario, Kenton, Napoleon, Wauseon etc play and has no idea of the caliber of play these teams have exhibited this season is writing an article in a major statewide publication basically pushing his Lorain County team. Cleveland.com has probably never covered an SBC, OCC, etc or(other than a Lorain County League) other area league game but yet they are now experts in this region? Someone else posted at one point that the OHSAA did away with the popularity=type poll to get into playoffs and rankings and used the computer rankings in the past but went back to the voting system this year. I think the coaches know the game and region and will vote accordingly, perhaps weighing their league teams a little more favorably, but that is to be expected. Otherwise this guys opinion has about as much relevance and importance as your or my opinion .... be just has a bigger podium to preach from. |
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 29, 2020 8:49:16 GMT -5
Someone else posted at one point that the OHSAA did away with the popularity=type poll to get into playoffs and rankings and used the computer rankings in the past but went back to the voting system this year. This will be the first and only year that opinion polls are used for the OHSAA playoffs. The Harbin computer point system has been the only criteria for qualifying for the playoff since the tournament began in 1972. The computer points system has only had two minor tweaks since then: relegating Level 3 points to tiebreaker status only, and adding a divisor system to account for differences in games played. The biggest change to the playoffs over the years has been the addition of more divisions and more qualified teams per region. The "popularity type" opinion polls refers to the pre-1972 era when there were no playoffs at all and the only way state champions were crowned was via polls like the AP. |
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 29, 2020 9:18:20 GMT -5
The popularity vote loved Massillon pre-1972.
The playoff system hasn't loved Massillon, since.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 9:54:25 GMT -5
People are complaining that someone did a write up about this region? Wish I could say I’m surprised but I’m not lol Think the point is that some yahoo at a desk in Cleveland who has never seen Bellevue, Huron, Shelby, Van Wert, Ontario, Kenton, Napoleon, Wauseon etc play and has no idea of the caliber of play these teams have exhibited this season is writing an article in a major statewide publication basically pushing his Lorain County team. Cleveland.com has probably never covered an SBC, OCC, etc or(other than a Lorain County League) other area league game but yet they are now experts in this region? Someone else posted at one point that the OHSAA did away with the popularity=type poll to get into playoffs and rankings and used the computer rankings in the past but went back to the voting system this year. I think the coaches know the game and region and will vote accordingly, perhaps weighing their league teams a little more favorably, but that is to be expected. Otherwise this guys opinion has about as much relevance and importance as your or my opinion .... be just has a bigger podium to preach from. I don’t see anyone from this area writing an article about the region. It’s 2020...all writers should have social media. Makes the area you cover less relevant. Good for Cleveland.com that they have people that write informative articles |
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Post by 419bossman on Sept 29, 2020 21:29:07 GMT -5
Talked to a coach tonight and gave me some insight about the seeding and the votes. He told me that on Sunday he sent the state a profile of his team and the current record and the record from last year.
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