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Post by piratefan on Oct 3, 2020 8:21:32 GMT -5
Willard faithful do you finally agree to never field a football team again? We the top brass of Willard have diligently and cunningly dismantled the football program, buried it and left it in an unmarked grave. You all keep digging it up each year though, do you finally submit? We the top brass of Willard noticed a demographics shift to more and more Hispanics (30% of the student population now) and knew Soccer was the answer. We took notice of this but knew the Willard Faithful loved their football. We knew the only option was to sabotage the program. Hawkins made the playoffs in 99, 01 & 02 and we had to figure out a way to fire him, the fans would not let us fire him for no reason so we snitched on him to the OHSAA. That opened the door for us to suspend him for a game as a penalty for being a bad boy. Then we used his suspension as a reason to fire him as the coach. I hope you all noticed we kept him on as a teacher, that was a super cunning strategy. 1) that let all new hires know each day what we do to winning football coaches. 2) With Hawkins still walking the halls at WHS it made all subsequent coaching hires have to look over their shoulder and wonder if Hawkins was leaking info to opposing teams. Diabolical. Who leaked the game plan? I don't know...
For you Todd Fox fanboys, yes Todd Fox kept applying for the job, but he's not the top brass of Willard so he didn't know he had no shot, we don't want good football coaches. So long Toddy boy. We the top brass of Willard really thought paying some scientists at the Wuhan lab to create and release a virus would finally end this football debacle. But no, you guys kept sticking it out there to get slaughtered. Fair warning in 2021 - an alien invasion is still on the table. You don't want to go there. Just stop with the football because we still have time to call off the invasion. We need to leave the football players no choice but to join the Soccer program. We the top brass of Willard see all the possibilities of a fully backed Soccer program. No school our size in Ohio has disbanded the football program and gone solely with the Soccer program, we'd be innovators like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos. When you are the innovator you are the dominator. We would rack up 10+ State Titles IN A ROW before any other school could sabotage their football program and copy us. But we'd already be getting all the recruits move ins to play Soccer so we'd still have a leg up.
Soccer is the best Soccer is where it's at Soccer makes dreams come true Soccer makes people happy Soccer is a World Sport Soccer can stop an alien invasion
People in Willard keep digging football up because............. Soccer sucks!
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Post by dude on Oct 3, 2020 9:01:21 GMT -5
Any good coach will tell you..."athletes win games, not coaches". I agree with that on the college and professional levels. But on the high school level, the coaches are a much bigger influence on the outcome of the game / program. Mainly because high school athletes are much more impressionable than older athletes. Meaning, younger athletes look for guidance, positive reinforcement, teaching fundamentals, explanations, etc. They also need boundaries set, discipline, roll models, etc....where older athletes tend to already have alot of these things ingrained in them. Plain and simple, these kids do not respect most of these coaches. This is more a reflections of the parents then the kids.
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Post by dude on Oct 3, 2020 9:03:04 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. Kids need inspired. Kids need motivated. Kids need led. Your suggestion is that the kids in Willard are either genetically not made for football or there is something in the water that makes them inferior football players. They have the same kids every other similarly sized school district has. They just need someone who can convince as many as possible to go out, prepare them in the weight room, and teach them how to play the game. What I am saying is there is something more than just the coach. They have had many and the results have been fairly consistent.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 3, 2020 9:05:37 GMT -5
drugmart,if you want to talk about soccer than go the the room under fall sports whi sch includes soccer,if you hate willard football or football in general then stop being off topic and leave the football room and dont let the door hit you in the rear when you leave.we dont talk football in the fall sports room soccer. The thought, or should I say thoughtless, police has spoken.
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Post by dude on Oct 3, 2020 9:05:51 GMT -5
My wife made a funny analogy on the way home last night from Vermilion. The more I think about it, the more it rings true. She said, "no football coach should be walking the sidelines wearing a pair of skinny jeans". I know, its really a superficial statement.....but is it really? Does this go for coaches of all sports? What is half the boys on the team have dads that wear them? Is it still wrong? I think skinny jeans on a man are wrong all the time so your answer has not affect on my opinion.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 3, 2020 9:11:20 GMT -5
SO, when football hits bottom in Willard DrugMart reveals himself. He's a racist, using demographics as a reason for poor football teams and a reason for soccer success.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 3, 2020 9:31:23 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. Kids need inspired. Kids need motivated. Kids need led. Your suggestion is that the kids in Willard are either genetically not made for football or there is something in the water that makes them inferior football players. They have the same kids every other similarly sized school district has. They just need someone who can convince as many as possible to go out, prepare them in the weight room, and teach them how to play the game. Respectfully, think about this. Do ALL basketball players in Willard, every year, that aren't 6-8 play football? You know, THE best athletes in Willard. I can go down a list over the past 20 years and the % is going to be low. Look at Ontario for example. Maybe not quite as bad as Willard, but similar. Do you think overnight the HC at Ontario became a football genius? Nope, the magic formula this year? EVERY good basketball player from a similar program to Willard's is playing football this year. Athletes that never played football to athletes that haven't played since Junior High. THE best group of skilled position players in the Joe Balogh era are playing football, that hasn't been the case for decades, if ever. Not saying Ontario's HC isn't a decent coach, but "players" DO make a difference, it is obvious. This is the best team Ontario has in 20 years. When a very good coach, Scott Valentine, left Ontario to take the job at Ashland. Maybe, the singular most important aspect of a coach these days is being a good recruiter. Convincing kids to play football. This year at Ontario there are 35 7th graders out for football, easily a record.
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Post by bat21 on Oct 3, 2020 9:35:33 GMT -5
My wife made a funny analogy on the way home last night from Vermilion. The more I think about it, the more it rings true. She said, "no football coach should be walking the sidelines wearing a pair of skinny jeans". I know, its really a superficial statement.....but is it really? Does this go for coaches of all sports? What is half the boys on the team have dads that wear them? Is it still wrong? I think skinny jeans on a man are wrong all the time so your answer has not affect on my opinion. This says a lot about the state of things ... dads wearing skinny jeans?!? Do they have a sweater tied around their next as well? This is the pussifaction of America people.
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Post by Vogel on Oct 3, 2020 9:37:12 GMT -5
I don't know how many coaches Willard had has in the last 21 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 9:37:30 GMT -5
I tried to watch Soccer on BCSN last week, Edison at Huron. Relaxing in my recliner, I watched both teams kicked the ball up & down the field, After 40 minutes of watching this, The score was tied 0-0. Then the 2nd half started, I fell asleep twice in that 40 minutes of watching the grass grow, The final score was 0-0. Soccer sure is fun to watch, Drugmart.
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 3, 2020 10:22:35 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. Kids need inspired. Kids need motivated. Kids need led. Your suggestion is that the kids in Willard are either genetically not made for football or there is something in the water that makes them inferior football players. They have the same kids every other similarly sized school district has. They just need someone who can convince as many as possible to go out, prepare them in the weight room, and teach them how to play the game. Respectfully, think about this. Do ALL basketball players in Willard, every year, that aren't 6-8 play football? You know, THE best athletes in Willard. I can go down a list over the past 20 years and the % is going to be low. Look at Ontario for example. Maybe not quite as bad as Willard, but similar. Do you think overnight the HC at Ontario became a football genius? Nope, the magic formula this year? EVERY good basketball player from a similar program to Willard's is playing football this year. Athletes that never played football to athletes that haven't played since Junior High. THE best group of skilled position players in the Joe Balogh era are playing football, that hasn't been the case for decades, if ever. Not saying Ontario's HC isn't a decent coach, but "players" DO make a difference, it is obvious. This is the best team Ontario has in 20 years. When a very good coach, Scott Valentine, left Ontario to take the job at Ashland. Maybe, the singular most important aspect of a coach these days is being a good recruiter. Convincing kids to play football. This year at Ontario there are 35 7th graders out for football, easily a record. Which is why I said “inspire” and “convince as many as possible to go out.”
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Post by piratefan on Oct 3, 2020 10:22:43 GMT -5
I tried to watch Soccer on BCSN last week, Edison at Huron. Relaxing in my recliner, I watched both teams kicked the ball up & down the field, After 40 minutes of watching this, The score was tied 0-0. Then the 2nd half started, I fell asleep twice in that 40 minutes of watching the grass grow, The final score was 0-0. Soccer sure is fun o watch, Drugmart. Exactly! I honestly don't know how anyone can be a fan of soccer. That's THE MOST BORING game man ever came up with.
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 3, 2020 10:27:17 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. Kids need inspired. Kids need motivated. Kids need led. Your suggestion is that the kids in Willard are either genetically not made for football or there is something in the water that makes them inferior football players. They have the same kids every other similarly sized school district has. They just need someone who can convince as many as possible to go out, prepare them in the weight room, and teach them how to play the game. What I am saying is there is something more than just the coach. They have had many and the results have been fairly consistent. Agreed. As bad as it is in Willard right now it will either require an exceptional coach or an exceptional group of athletes. Both would be even better. In Shelby coach Will was pretty good. He was a great motivator and a decent X’s and O’s guy. He had exceptional athletes. Things turned around.
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 3, 2020 10:33:40 GMT -5
I tried to watch Soccer on BCSN last week, Edison at Huron. Relaxing in my recliner, I watched both teams kicked the ball up & down the field, After 40 minutes of watching this, The score was tied 0-0. Then the 2nd half started, I fell asleep twice in that 40 minutes of watching the grass grow, The final score was 0-0. Soccer sure is fun to watch, Drugmart. The whole world can’t be wrong. We have to acknowledge as never having played soccer there is some subtlety in the game that escapes us. For example, the NBA has changed rules to make the game interesting to non-basketball players. Short shot clock, illegal defense, the circle you can’t draw a charge inside of. All those rules produce more last second shots, dunks, one on one posters. If you played basketball you appreciate a drawn charge, good help side defense, a well run patient offense that gets a good look. You see those things whereas someone who never played does not. I never played soccer and, like you, don’t get it. Make the goal bigger, shackle the goalie, allow fewer defenders on that end and excitement and scoring go up. We like it, but someone who played will not.
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Post by dude on Oct 3, 2020 10:37:59 GMT -5
What I am saying is there is something more than just the coach. They have had many and the results have been fairly consistent. Agreed. As bad as it is in Willard right now it will either require an exceptional coach or an exceptional group of athletes. Both would be even better. In Shelby coach Will was pretty good. He was a great motivator and a decent X’s and O’s guy. He had exceptional athletes. Things turned around. "As bad as it is in Willard right now it will either require an exceptional coach, which Willard will struggle to get, or an exceptional group of athletes, which would improve a season or two.
Changing a football program atmosphere can take time. Other sports can be instant but football can be a longer process without potential D1 college players in the program..
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Post by buckeyekid on Oct 3, 2020 10:42:50 GMT -5
I tend to look at how many of the players go on and play in college as to whether there was "talent" on the roster. Not right every time, but most times. And,,I'm talking D3,,,not D1
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Post by dude on Oct 3, 2020 11:00:23 GMT -5
I tend to look at how many of the players go on and play in college as to whether there was "talent" on the roster. Not right every time, but most times. And,,I'm talking D3,,,not D1 This can be a factor. If you have 5 or more kids every year going on to PLAY college football and the high school team is regularly 3-7 then something can be wrong with the coach or maybe you play the toughest schedule in the state. LOL Lots of kids can walk onto a D3 and even D2 football roster and never see any action or quit before junior year. This also can be telling, if kids are not want to give the time to be better than good.
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 3, 2020 12:09:30 GMT -5
Agreed. As bad as it is in Willard right now it will either require an exceptional coach or an exceptional group of athletes. Both would be even better. In Shelby coach Will was pretty good. He was a great motivator and a decent X’s and O’s guy. He had exceptional athletes. Things turned around. "As bad as it is in Willard right now it will either require an exceptional coach, which Willard will struggle to get, or an exceptional group of athletes, which would improve a season or two.
Changing a football program atmosphere can take time. Other sports can be instant but football can be a longer process without potential D1 college players in the program.. I don’t think we’re that far apart. I just have a hard time putting the success or failure of a program on the innate discipline and motivation of 15-18 year old children. They’re lumps of clay that need molded into disciplined, hard working, tough, motivated young men. I’ve deduced over the years that you have some high school coaching experience. You defend them too strongly. I think you’ll be more on my side when I acknowledge that the coaches can’t do that alone. It requires the same expectation of all those characteristics from parents and school personnel. A coaching staff can’t do it by themselves.
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Post by dude on Oct 3, 2020 13:25:31 GMT -5
I don’t think we’re that far apart. I just have a hard time putting the success or failure of a program on the innate discipline and motivation of 15-18 year old children. They’re lumps of clay that need molded into disciplined, hard working, tough, motivated young men. I’ve deduced over the years that you have some high school coaching experience. You defend them too strongly. I think you’ll be more on my side when I acknowledge that the coaches can’t do that alone. It requires the same expectation of all those characteristics from parents and school personnel. A coaching staff can’t do it by themselves. I'm not giving blame. I'm saying not every kid is a football player and not every school has a 10-0 team walking the halls regardless of the coach. The successful programs that some schools want to be, are just not who they are. The kids that attend Marion Local are not the same kids attending Plymouth. Changing coaches will not change that. And before anyone jumps, I picked those two schools randomly. You can insert any two you like.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 3, 2020 13:46:23 GMT -5
Congrats to Vermillion! Proof positive that if you keep grinding keep fighting and keep getting better it will pay off.
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Post by ScarletFever on Oct 3, 2020 14:08:01 GMT -5
I understand there are differences of opinion and I also understand that I may not know everything.
However this one fact remains the same. No matter what happened during the moronic wrestling incident long ago(Willard boys sports archduke Ferdinand moment that we still haven’t recovered from), Mr. Fox was asked to reapply for the football position just a couple of years ago. That tells me that that incident was no longer an automatic denial.
So it was not the incident or any rule that automatically kept Fox from being the coach, they simply did not choose him.
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Post by kingmartinez on Oct 3, 2020 15:16:10 GMT -5
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 3, 2020 15:18:09 GMT -5
I don’t think we’re that far apart. I just have a hard time putting the success or failure of a program on the innate discipline and motivation of 15-18 year old children. They’re lumps of clay that need molded into disciplined, hard working, tough, motivated young men. I’ve deduced over the years that you have some high school coaching experience. You defend them too strongly. I think you’ll be more on my side when I acknowledge that the coaches can’t do that alone. It requires the same expectation of all those characteristics from parents and school personnel. A coaching staff can’t do it by themselves. I'm not giving blame. I'm saying not every kid is a football player and not every school has a 10-0 team walking the halls regardless of the coach. The successful programs that some schools want to be, are just not who they are. The kids that attend Marion Local are not the same kids attending Plymouth. Changing coaches will not change that. And before anyone jumps, I picked those two schools randomly. You can insert any two you like. Not every kid is a football kid, but statistically Willard has a many as every other similarly sized schools. Some years a little more. Some years a little less. Plus they have some athletes that are baseball or basketball first and willing to play football. Statistically the same as similarly sized schools. Very few schools have 10-0 teams in the locker room. Almost everybody has an 8-2 team on a good year and a 5-5 team on a bad year with the right coaching and a little bit of tradition. I believe tradition can be changed. I also believe you can be a football AND a basketball school. I went to one.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 3, 2020 18:28:41 GMT -5
According to Joe Eitel, Willard has scheduled Upper Sandusky, South Central and Plymouth in weeks 9, 10 and 11, all at home.
Arbiterlive also shows those 3 opponents, plus a game at Margaretta in week 8. All of those can't be right though, as you are only allowed to play 10 total games (unless you are making a deep playoff run), and those 4 plus the playoff game would be 11 games.
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Post by clb6110 on Oct 3, 2020 18:46:46 GMT -5
Hear,Hear, This is all well and good the discussions regarding kid talent vs.coaches ability but more importantly what the f***? are....skinny jeans?
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Post by jmorgret07 on Oct 3, 2020 18:49:20 GMT -5
According to Joe Eitel, Willard has scheduled Upper Sandusky, South Central and Plymouth in weeks 9, 10 and 11, all at home. Arbiterlive also shows those 3 opponents, plus a game at Margaretta in week 8. All of those can't be right though, as you are only allowed to play 10 total games (unless you are making a deep playoff run), and those 4 plus the playoff game would be 11 games. Someone can confirm yay or nay, but I thought I read you could still do 10 regular-season games plus the playoffs.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 3, 2020 19:24:52 GMT -5
You're right, just checked the OHSAA website and it does specify "regular season" on that 10 game limit. The only extra limitation beyond that is you can't schedule anything after Nov 14.
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Post by duckdude on Oct 3, 2020 20:06:44 GMT -5
I enjoy reading the comments. I have a freshman on the team. Just looking at the senior banners on the fence and seeing what we are loosing unless we can get students out that are not currently playing there could be a seven or eight player net loss for next year. That will add to the up hill battle. We are certainly going to be young.
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Post by dude on Oct 4, 2020 8:01:23 GMT -5
Not every kid is a football kid, but statistically Willard has a many as every other similarly sized schools. Some years a little more. Some years a little less. Plus they have some athletes that are baseball or basketball first and willing to play football. Statistically the same as similarly sized schools. Very few schools have 10-0 teams in the locker room. Almost everybody has an 8-2 team on a good year and a 5-5 team on a bad year with the right coaching and a little bit of tradition. I believe tradition can be changed. I also believe you can be a football AND a basketball school. I went to one. Statistically Willard can have the same number of kids as OG but they are not the same kids. Although high numbers play part, it is only a part. Marion Local beats bigger schools every year. I would disagree that every school has a certain winning record. To some, 5-5 can be a good year and to others 8-2 may be below their normal. OF course I am talking about teams that keep a consistent schedule of teams and do not change their schedule to collect wins. Tradition is your past and that can't change but your culture or atmosphere can. I do believe a school can be a success in multiple sports like football and basketball. There are many in Ohio that are, but their are more that are not. I also attended a school that was and is successful in many sports at the state level. And since then I have been in many hallways and that is why I think the kids are the most important and largest piece. Using an earlier reference, Plymouth will never be Marion Local. Just like other schools of similar size will never be OG, Trotwood Madison or Mentor. Good coaching is definitely a big part, but what I'm saying is take the OG coach to Willard and the results are not the same.
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Post by crimson5 on Oct 10, 2020 23:02:17 GMT -5
Any good coach will tell you..."athletes win games, not coaches". I agree with that on the college and professional levels. But on the high school level, the coaches are a much bigger influence on the outcome of the game / program. Mainly because high school athletes are much more impressionable than older athletes. Meaning, younger athletes look for guidance, positive reinforcement, teaching fundamentals, explanations, etc. They also need boundaries set, discipline, roll models, etc....where older athletes tend to already have alot of these things ingrained in them. Plain and simple, these kids do not respect most of these coaches. This is more a reflections of the parents then the kids. You couldn't be more wrong.
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