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Post by baldref on Mar 6, 2021 19:50:02 GMT -5
Shelby big lead by pressuring and attacking. Go onto 4 corners mid 3rd quarter not their style. Taking foot off pedal. Strange
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 6, 2021 19:52:39 GMT -5
Stretching the defense and letting athletic guys drive. It’s working, too.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 6, 2021 19:53:00 GMT -5
AH, but you have to work on things like that. When you have a big lead you can work on things that need worked on in real game situations for games down the road in the tournament.
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Post by 4 on Mar 6, 2021 20:08:54 GMT -5
Shelby will have to play their best game of the season to beat Lima Shawnee and should-be mr basketball George Mangas. Shelby doesn’t have a big ti handle Tyson Elwer, tough matchup.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 6, 2021 20:33:13 GMT -5
Shawnee beat Lima Senior by 6, Shelby beat Lima Senior by 4
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Post by 4 on Mar 6, 2021 20:38:44 GMT -5
I believe senior was at full strength vs. Shawnee, wasn’t against Shelby.
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Post by moacpops on Mar 7, 2021 15:30:17 GMT -5
Congrats to the whippets. Shelby is the first MOAC boys team to win district since 2015-16 Pleasant team. Shelby was the first boys team to make district finals since 2015-16. Keep it going SHS!
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Post by gt1975 on Mar 8, 2021 20:55:43 GMT -5
Marion Harding is looking for a new coach.
Don Worstell was 75-77 in 7 seasons at Harding. This season they won their first tournament game since the 2010-11 season.
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Post by dude on Mar 8, 2021 21:59:01 GMT -5
Marion Harding is looking for a new coach. Don Worstell was 75-77 in 7 seasons at Harding. This season they won their first tournament game since the 2010-11 season. He has been at it for a long time and been at 4-5 different schools and had success at all of them.
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Post by 4 on Mar 9, 2021 0:58:22 GMT -5
Wow, didn’t expect him to go, at least yet. He’s been on some good teams. Before Harding too. One MOAC ship at Harding. Not sure where they go, they’ll have options. Freshman coach did a real good job, but he’s not coached above freshman, or else could be an option. Probably go from outside I assume.
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Post by 4 on Mar 11, 2021 22:34:37 GMT -5
Shelby got Mangas’d
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Post by whippetfan on Mar 11, 2021 23:12:24 GMT -5
Just got home from Elida. Mangas is a good player but any number of us could average 30 a game if we cherry picked and shot lay-ups all night. Don’t get me wrong he is a nice player, but from an overall gameplay standpoint, I’d pick Pugh every day of the week over him. Super proud of the effort Shelby displayed tonight battling back from a double digit deficit. I see that in the end it came down to a couple things. No one else stepped up to help Pugh offensively. Lantz was non-existent, and multiple players missed open threes. And the second thing was our inability to handle their box and one in the fourth quarter. Still one heck of a ride. If Pugh doesn’t get first team All Ohio after that effort then it’s a crime. Best player I have seen come through Shelby in a long time.
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Post by dude on Mar 12, 2021 0:09:43 GMT -5
Just got home from Elida. Mangas is a good player but any number of us could average 30 a game if we cherry picked and shot lay-ups all night. Don’t get me wrong he is a nice player, but from an overall gameplay standpoint, I’d pick Pugh every day of the week over him. Super proud of the effort Shelby displayed tonight battling back from a double digit deficit. I see that in the end it came down to a couple things. No one else stepped up to help Pugh offensively. Lantz was non-existent, and multiple players missed open threes. And the second thing was our inability to handle their box and one in the fourth quarter. Still one heck of a ride. If Pugh doesn’t get first team All Ohio after that effort then it’s a crime. Best player I have seen come through Shelby in a long time. Most coaches would not have allowed a kid to have that large of a lead running to their offensive end for the entire game. "Cherry picking" can be stopped by the defense but if they don't why not do it. Shelby's press was not effective and they did not get the layups they normally do. Andre Hill was good providing steals leading to points and hitting a couple 3's. Lantz had many chances to contribute but did very little anywhere. Shepard gave good minutes leading the team in rebounding.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 12, 2021 5:30:32 GMT -5
If Shelby played like they did in the second and third quarter all night it’s not even a game.
First quarter they gave up too many offensive rebounds, they turned the ball over without pressure, and they let Mangas cherry pick.
Fourth quarter they must have forgotten the first quarter because the let Mangas cherry pick again. Shooting percentage dropped.
You can’t front the post without backside help.
The defense in quarter two and three is what got them back into the game and leading for 3-4 possessions.
The main offense was clear out and let Pugh drive. Nobody else seemed involved except Hill and he created most of his points with defense and transition. He was the MVP of the game IMO. Defensive hustle, scoring. He was the spark when they were down.
It was a good run. They should be proud. The only disappointment is I think that was a very winnable game.
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Post by baldref on Mar 12, 2021 6:58:12 GMT -5
If Shelby played like they did in the second and third quarter all night it’s not even a game. First quarter they gave up too many offensive rebounds, they turned the ball over without pressure, and they let Mangas cherry pick. Fourth quarter they must have forgotten the first quarter because the let Mangas cherry pick again. Shooting percentage dropped. You can’t front the post without backside help. The defense in quarter two and three is what got them back into the game and leading for 3-4 possessions. The main offense was clear out and let Pugh drive. Nobody else seemed involved except Hill and he created most of his points with defense and transition. He was the MVP of the game IMO. Defensive hustle, scoring. He was the spark when they were down. It was a good run. They should be proud. The only disappointment is I think that was a very winnable game. As usual, fan is right on. Pugh was outstanding, so was hill. Turnovers killed shelby. At one point, 4 straight possessions were turnovers. Then at crunch time, a steal and a foul on a breakaway layup was essentially a 5- point turnaround. Cant make those mistakes in this type game. Great season for shelby nonetheless.
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Post by dude on Mar 12, 2021 8:34:22 GMT -5
If Shelby played like they did in the second and third quarter all night it’s not even a game. First quarter they gave up too many offensive rebounds, they turned the ball over without pressure, and they let Mangas cherry pick. Fourth quarter they must have forgotten the first quarter because the let Mangas cherry pick again. Shooting percentage dropped. You can’t front the post without backside help. The defense in quarter two and three is what got them back into the game and leading for 3-4 possessions. The main offense was clear out and let Pugh drive. Nobody else seemed involved except Hill and he created most of his points with defense and transition. He was the MVP of the game IMO. Defensive hustle, scoring. He was the spark when they were down. It was a good run. They should be proud. The only disappointment is I think that was a very winnable game. As usual, fan is right on. Pugh was outstanding, so was hill. Turnovers killed shelby. At one point, 4 straight possessions were turnovers. Then at crunch time, a steal and a foul on a breakaway layup was essentially a 5- point turnaround. Cant make those mistakes in this type game. Great season for shelby nonetheless. Shelby had maybe a dozen turnovers for the game which is maybe normal for them. Some of them were poorly timed but overall, not uncommon. I think this game came down to the support group of the two stars.
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 12, 2021 8:37:38 GMT -5
Shelby handled the physical play until the 4th. Mangas was just too much to overcome. They played a good game. Nothing to hang their heads about.
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Post by sweathog on Mar 12, 2021 10:37:15 GMT -5
Just got home from Elida. Mangas is a good player but any number of us could average 30 a game if we cherry picked and shot lay-ups all night. Don’t get me wrong he is a nice player, but from an overall gameplay standpoint, I’d pick Pugh every day of the week over him. Super proud of the effort Shelby displayed tonight battling back from a double digit deficit. I see that in the end it came down to a couple things. No one else stepped up to help Pugh offensively. Lantz was non-existent, and multiple players missed open threes. And the second thing was our inability to handle their box and one in the fourth quarter. Still one heck of a ride. If Pugh doesn’t get first team All Ohio after that effort then it’s a crime. Best player I have seen come through Shelby in a long time. Glad to see the coach's are in the stands still. From what I seen Mangas is a better over all player, more physical, has outside shot, much better defensive player, at lease last night. Pugh can handle ball better, the why it looks Shelby had good ride. Best player to come through Shelby in long time, big question mark for me!!
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Post by 4 on Mar 12, 2021 17:13:07 GMT -5
Yeah because cherry picking scored Mangas 2k points. He knocked down few tough jumpers, worked in the post and simply dominated inside. Shawnee plays quick, the leak outs happen. It’s beautiful to watch, unless you’re a fan of the other team. Any good coach would have made the adjustment needed to stop those. Mangas is mr basketball unless the junior Chris Livingston wins it.
Pugh and Mangas both have multiple D2 offers, both have D1 interest. Pugh is better on the ball, mangas is better off the ball. Mangas stronger inside, Pugh more athletic. I’d give mangas slight edge from deep. Kid scored 2k points, tough to do, has won every year and simply took it to Shelby last night, as he has every team they played.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 12, 2021 22:04:40 GMT -5
Just got home from Elida. Mangas is a good player but any number of us could average 30 a game if we cherry picked and shot lay-ups all night. Don’t get me wrong he is a nice player, but from an overall gameplay standpoint, I’d pick Pugh every day of the week over him. Super proud of the effort Shelby displayed tonight battling back from a double digit deficit. I see that in the end it came down to a couple things. No one else stepped up to help Pugh offensively. Lantz was non-existent, and multiple players missed open threes. And the second thing was our inability to handle their box and one in the fourth quarter. Still one heck of a ride. If Pugh doesn’t get first team All Ohio after that effort then it’s a crime. Best player I have seen come through Shelby in a long time. Glad to see the coach's are in the stands still. From what I seen Mangas is a better over all player, more physical, has outside shot, much better defensive player, at lease last night. Pugh can handle ball better, the why it looks Shelby had good ride. Best player to come through Shelby in long time, big question mark for me!! Pugh didn't "come through" Shelby. He arrived in Shelby his Sophomore year.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 12, 2021 22:20:45 GMT -5
Mangas is what's called a "scorer". He puts the ball through the hoop in a myriad of different ways. Don't hate on the kid for scoring when he leaks out. Hate on the Shelby coach for not stopping it. Don't hate on the Shawnee coach for having Mangas score that way. THE NUMBER ONE goal in basketball is to score more points than your opponent. Scoring by having a player leak out is about the easiest way to make a basket. It's not rocket science, ALL good coaches tell their players, that who ever is furthest back when a shot goes up, they MUST get back on defense.
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Post by whippetfan on Mar 13, 2021 7:05:24 GMT -5
Okay, you all corrected me and made good points. Yes, Mangas does deserve a lot of credit for scoring 2,000 points regardless if a majority of them are lay-ups. Just saying Pugh is much more creative with the ball and has a variety of ways in which he puts points on the board. Very good body control and doesn’t have to run through people to get to the basket. And yes he didn’t grow up in Shelby, so let me correct my wording to say he’s one of the best players I have seen in my lifetime to have put on a Whippet uniform (just so you know that’s 50 years worth of ball). Other than Siegfried he’s scored more points than anyone else in school history. Does he have things to work on? Of course, everyone does. I wish nothing but the best for him and all these boys as they move onto college.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 13, 2021 7:19:18 GMT -5
Fact. People who evaluate talent for a living say 5 to 1 Pugh is more equipped for the next level than Mangas or Pugh wouldn’t have five times as many offers. They clearly see some of the same things that others posting on here and I saw. Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion, but those guys are paid for theirs. Having a job each year requires that they be pretty good at it.
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Post by mrsteel on Mar 13, 2021 13:12:24 GMT -5
Fact. People who evaluate talent for a living say 5 to 1 Pugh is more equipped for the next level than Mangas or Pugh wouldn’t have five times as many offers. They clearly see some of the same things that others posting on here and I saw. Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion, but those guys are paid for theirs. Having a job each year requires that they be pretty good at it. Links to these talent scouts?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 13, 2021 13:54:10 GMT -5
Fact. People who evaluate talent for a living say 5 to 1 Pugh is more equipped for the next level than Mangas or Pugh wouldn’t have five times as many offers. They clearly see some of the same things that others posting on here and I saw. Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion, but those guys are paid for theirs. Having a job each year requires that they be pretty good at it. Agree, but this was a high school basketball game. Mangas scored more than enough to beat Shelby in a high school basketball game. His job for Shawnee. I don't know him, but I would surmise that at this point in time, he could care less about playing basketball in college. His sole purpose now is to get to the State Final Four. I'm certain that was Pugh's current goal as well. Mangas's team won.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 13, 2021 14:56:55 GMT -5
Fact. People who evaluate talent for a living say 5 to 1 Pugh is more equipped for the next level than Mangas or Pugh wouldn’t have five times as many offers. They clearly see some of the same things that others posting on here and I saw. Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion, but those guys are paid for theirs. Having a job each year requires that they be pretty good at it. Links to these talent scouts? verbalcommits.com Both are listed on the site with their offers. You can just Google their names and it’s one of the top hits.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 13, 2021 14:57:59 GMT -5
Fact. People who evaluate talent for a living say 5 to 1 Pugh is more equipped for the next level than Mangas or Pugh wouldn’t have five times as many offers. They clearly see some of the same things that others posting on here and I saw. Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion, but those guys are paid for theirs. Having a job each year requires that they be pretty good at it. Agree, but this was a high school basketball game. Mangas scored more than enough to beat Shelby in a high school basketball game. His job for Shawnee. I don't know him, but I would surmise that at this point in time, he could care less about playing basketball in college. His sole purpose now is to get to the State Final Four. I'm certain that was Pugh's current goal as well. Mangas's team won. No argument there.
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Post by dude on Mar 13, 2021 20:23:18 GMT -5
Looks as if Pugh has 4 offers and Mangas has 1. That small difference could be from a lack of college visits.
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Post by dude on Mar 14, 2021 11:59:59 GMT -5
Fact. People who evaluate talent for a living say 5 to 1 Pugh is more equipped for the next level than Mangas or Pugh wouldn’t have five times as many offers. They clearly see some of the same things that others posting on here and I saw. Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion, but those guys are paid for theirs. Having a job each year requires that they be pretty good at it. Mangas finished with 40 against Buchtel on 14-22 shooting, with 38 of them coming in three quarters.
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Post by gt1975 on Apr 2, 2021 18:29:47 GMT -5
Galion finished the season 0-23 on a program worst 34 game losing streak. The second winless season, first since 1988/89. Their average scoring margin was -25.04, worst in school history (2nd is 20.05, 1941/42). They lost 6 games by at least 40 pts and 2 by 50+.
Gossom is now 2-44 at Galion, 2-86 overall coaching Boys (Lucas and Galion), and 5-127 coaching Boys and Girls (3-41 at Crestline). He has coached 4 Boys seasons and was winless in 3 of them. He has the 2 worst scoring margins at Lucas and now has the worst scoring margin at Galion.
Last I heard there has been no decision on his future at Galion. Many want him out, but I heard the AD does not want to hire another coach after having to hire volleyball and track coaches.
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