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Post by shelbyrr11 on Nov 19, 2020 17:17:05 GMT -5
Let's not entirely overlook the decisions some schools have to make when going remote based on staffing. Contact tracing, unwilling substitute teachers (I know I had plenty who were retired teachers), and a heightened pressure to stay home if you are feeling sick has stretched out the staffing resources for most of these schools pretty thin. I have been subbing at the middle and high school in Shelby for about the past month. From what I gather, the anxiety to go remote for the next few weeks (from a Shelby vantage point) partially included the fear of approaching a threshold where there wouldn't be enough teaching bodies to go around. A few days before the announcement to move remote was announced by Shelby, I was asked to sub for a kindergarten class, with the stated alternative being they would have to be sent home for remote learning.
I haven't read the pressers from the other area schools who are temporarily going remote, but I have a feeling a similar calculus was beginning to rear its head.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 19, 2020 22:56:50 GMT -5
An interesting stat in the MNJ today. Senior has had 12 cases of students testing positive and 30 teachers testing positive.
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 20, 2020 2:57:27 GMT -5
An interesting stat in the MNJ today. Senior has had 12 cases of students testing positive and 30 teachers testing positive. This stat doesn’t surprise me. Usually, those that dish out the rules usually don’t follow the rules. Reminds me of our government. |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Nov 20, 2020 13:17:50 GMT -5
An interesting stat in the MNJ today. Senior has had 12 cases of students testing positive and 30 teachers testing positive. This stat doesn’t surprise me. Usually, those that dish out the rules usually don’t follow the rules. Reminds me of our government. Seems like a grand assumption unless you know more about their protocols and behaviors of the teachers in that district than the rest of us. If so, do tell. Otherwise, there's no need for you to lump all of them into whatever grievances you have. Besides, it isn't a widely kept secret that most teachers, if given a choice, would rather be conducting lessons in-person. Why deliberately shoot themselves in the foot? They are one of the biggest stakeholders here. |
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Post by dude on Nov 20, 2020 13:43:47 GMT -5
Seems like a grand assumption unless you know more about their protocols and behaviors of the teachers in that district than the rest of us. If so, do tell. Otherwise, there's no need for you to lump all of them into whatever grievances you have. Besides, it isn't a widely kept secret that most teachers, if given a choice, would rather be conducting lessons in-person. Why deliberately shoot themselves in the foot? They are one of the biggest stakeholders here. That is definitely a grand theory and noble assumption but it is common knowledge that a many of the Ohio teachers and the teacher's union made a loud push to not have school face to face back in July and August. |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Nov 20, 2020 16:50:35 GMT -5
True. I think there are two concepts to the statement "would teachers rather be in-person or online." The first would be from an academic standpoint, the second being a health standpoint. I wasn't being clear in my last post, but I was addressing the academic issue of the question.
I would say back in the summer, we didn't have a fantastic idea of how opening schools would/should go beyond what we saw some European nations doing. The prospect of doing in-person learning was definitely an unknown frontier since we didn't know if it would cause spikes, what the protocols would be, and how willing students would be to comply. Those uncertainties led to many teachers pushing for online, citing health concerns. Fair.
If you asked teachers again as of a few weeks ago when things were moving along pretty decently (all things considered), I bet the sentiment would have shifted to desiring an in-person element with teachers citing academics.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 20, 2020 20:21:17 GMT -5
Even though the teachers have a very powerful union, it should never be about what they want or what's best for them. It should ALWAYS be what's best for the students. With that said, every student is different. Every family is a different situation. My daughter's family is a microcosm. Her 2 youngest are in the 9th and 7th grade. She would NOT allow them to take in school classes. The Freshman was a B,C student and had a history of not paying attention in class. This year taking remote classes, he's acing every class. He'd like to take remote classes the next three years. His younger sister was a straight A student, but is struggling with remote classes. She'd like to go back to taking in school classes the 2nd semester, but her mother won't let her, since she is so far behind with her work. Her oldest son is a Senior, a leader, loves all sports and very competitive in everything he does. His mother didn't have the heart to tell him he couldn't take in school classes with his friends his Senior year. Their mother has a Masters Degree from North Carolina State and has done work toward a Doctorate and would like to be a college professor some day.
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Post by dude on Nov 20, 2020 23:04:46 GMT -5
Back in the summer, as you put it, the teachers/unions were very certain what would happen if the doors were opened.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 21, 2020 6:34:58 GMT -5
Going back to school did not cause this spike.
Opening gyms did not cause this spike.
Opening restaurants did not cause this spike.
All those things happened over two months ago. There is a lag time after a change is made, but not two plus months. This spike was inevitable. Coronaviruses, in general, are a winter things. How often do you get a cold in the summer? Why would this one be any different?
Proximity is a factor, but not exclusively or going back to school would have resulted in a pretty rapid spike. There are other factors. Temperature, humidity, ...and possible unknown factors. Why do you thing the common cold is still an issue after all our advances in medicine?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 21, 2020 18:38:56 GMT -5
THE biggest factor is people got tired of it. And found out that 99.9% of those who are healthy and under 60 don't get sick and die.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 24, 2020 14:33:44 GMT -5
Governor just asked schools to not have fans until at least Jan 1st.
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Post by unc4life on Nov 24, 2020 15:11:31 GMT -5
Governor just asked schools to not have fans until at least Jan 1st. I'm sure that is going to go over well with parents. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 16:19:17 GMT -5
Governor just asked schools to not have fans until at least Jan 1st. I'm sure that is going to go over well with parents. Parents will still be allowed |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 18:33:54 GMT -5
Even though the teachers have a very powerful union, it should never be about what they want or what's best for them. It should ALWAYS be what's best for the students. With that said, every student is different. Every family is a different situation. My daughter's family is a microcosm. Her 2 youngest are in the 9th and 7th grade. She would NOT allow them to take in school classes. The Freshman was a B,C student and had a history of not paying attention in class. This year taking remote classes, he's acing every class. He'd like to take remote classes the next three years. His younger sister was a straight A student, but is struggling with remote classes. She'd like to go back to taking in school classes the 2nd semester, but her mother won't let her, since she is so far behind with her work. Her oldest son is a Senior, a leader, loves all sports and very competitive in everything he does. His mother didn't have the heart to tell him he couldn't take in school classes with his friends his Senior year. Their mother has a Masters Degree from North Carolina State and has done work toward a Doctorate and would like to be a college professor some day. To be honest. Find a way persevere. Everyone is dealing with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 19:40:07 GMT -5
Even though the teachers have a very powerful union, it should never be about what they want or what's best for them. It should ALWAYS be what's best for the students. With that said, every student is different. Every family is a different situation. My daughter's family is a microcosm. Her 2 youngest are in the 9th and 7th grade. She would NOT allow them to take in school classes. The Freshman was a B,C student and had a history of not paying attention in class. This year taking remote classes, he's acing every class. He'd like to take remote classes the next three years. His younger sister was a straight A student, but is struggling with remote classes. She'd like to go back to taking in school classes the 2nd semester, but her mother won't let her, since she is so far behind with her work. Her oldest son is a Senior, a leader, loves all sports and very competitive in everything he does. His mother didn't have the heart to tell him he couldn't take in school classes with his friends his Senior year. Their mother has a Masters Degree from North Carolina State and has done work toward a Doctorate and would like to be a college professor some day. So you are basically saying a child’s life is more important than a teachers life. Who are the most likely to get this, it’s the teachers. I do agree with putting needs of children into consideration but the bottom line is the general safety of everyone. The state of Ohio and Dewine has already set the precedent that athletics is more important than education and safety of people. Let’s speak the truth, 50 percent of people complaining about virtual schools are those parents who want their babysitting service we call education. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 25, 2020 15:38:28 GMT -5
Education of a child is the reason we have teachers.
AGAIN....at Mansfield Senior there have been 12 students test positive and THIRTY teachers test positive. Looks like we need to worry about teachers giving THE virus to the children.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 25, 2020 17:59:45 GMT -5
Even though the teachers have a very powerful union, it should never be about what they want or what's best for them. It should ALWAYS be what's best for the students. With that said, every student is different. Every family is a different situation. My daughter's family is a microcosm. Her 2 youngest are in the 9th and 7th grade. She would NOT allow them to take in school classes. The Freshman was a B,C student and had a history of not paying attention in class. This year taking remote classes, he's acing every class. He'd like to take remote classes the next three years. His younger sister was a straight A student, but is struggling with remote classes. She'd like to go back to taking in school classes the 2nd semester, but her mother won't let her, since she is so far behind with her work. Her oldest son is a Senior, a leader, loves all sports and very competitive in everything he does. His mother didn't have the heart to tell him he couldn't take in school classes with his friends his Senior year. Their mother has a Masters Degree from North Carolina State and has done work toward a Doctorate and would like to be a college professor some day. So you are basically saying a child’s life is more important than a teachers life. Who are the most likely to get this, it’s the teachers. I do agree with putting needs of children into consideration but the bottom line is the general safety of everyone. The state of Ohio and Dewine has already set the precedent that athletics is more important than education and safety of people. Let’s speak the truth, 50 percent of people complaining about virtual schools are those parents who want their babysitting service we call education. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not every life has a value and some are greater than others. I’m a trained physician and my life is worth more than a 65 year old doctor and less than a 35 year old doctor. I’m not saying a 16 year old student is more valuable than a 65 year old teacher, but as a society we have to make that determination. Then we decide in person school or remote school. |
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Post by falcon87 on Nov 26, 2020 17:55:52 GMT -5
I'm from a family of many teachers and count many teachers as friends. I think some have taken concerns of teachers as meaning they did not want to go back into the classroom. All that I know want to be at school with their students under some strict standards. They were upset when their BOE squirmed when it was time to require masks for all students, make plans to have classrooms, furniture and common areas regularly cleaned, determine what criteria was going to be used for decisions on closure or hybrid learning and many other issues. When you have people directly in contact with students they feel they should be allowed to be a part of the process making decisions and have an expectation that their health is considered. The only way they can get a voice at the table appears to be through a union.
A friend of mine who works in a school (non-teacher) is currently in the ICU with COVID. Her life revolves around her church, her adult children and finally her job. No huge social life, no risky behavior and I personally cannot see anything she did that would have been risky behavior besides working in a school. And the union didn't put her in the hospital. She needs prayers not judgement.
If you talk with students, parents, and teachers a couple issues will come to light. Parents are still sending ill children to school. Some parents refuse to get their kids tested even after they spend multiple days unable to get out of bed. Students who were never tested will be sent back to school almost immediately after their illness. And in some districts we still have parents fighting the mask, social distancing and modification of events. I really think the fight from teachers, which is limited in my perspective, is the result of expectations of cooperation. Cover mouths and noses at events and school, take care of the health of your children, and make sure our schools are safe so it will work. As the parent of a 2020 Senior I wish we had the opportunity last spring that were given this fall and winter.
Final thought, I wish I could speak to my grandparents that lived through the Great Depression and WWII to hear their thoughts about those unwilling to make small sacrifices to work through this inconvenience.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 30, 2020 14:03:09 GMT -5
Hearing momentum is building quickly to stop sports until mid-January. Could have an announcement this week.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 30, 2020 14:18:47 GMT -5
WTF is going to be different in Mid January compared to December 1?? Don't kid yourself, if the power hungry shut sports down now, there will be no winter sports.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 30, 2020 14:37:30 GMT -5
My guess is 2-3 weeks after Christmas gatherings is why mid-January is the rumor. By week's end it may be more clear of the thought process although it's not expected to change anyone's feelings on the situation.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 30, 2020 14:48:16 GMT -5
99.99% of healthy teenagers don't die from the virus, they barely know they have it when they test positive. By the middle of January all of the vulnerable should be vaccinated. WHAT difference does it make? Other than those in power are making a last stand to control the populace.
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Post by falcon87 on Nov 30, 2020 19:34:46 GMT -5
I get where you’re coming from on kids/teenagers but school are struggling with bus drivers, aides, cooks, custodians, secretaries and teachers. If they can’t operate from 8-3 it seems odd to open up from 3-9 for EXTRA-curricular.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 30, 2020 22:25:17 GMT -5
Very few of those listed have anything to do with EXTRA-curricular.
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Post by dude on Nov 30, 2020 22:55:27 GMT -5
Hearing momentum is building quickly to stop sports until mid-January. Could have an announcement this week. You are laughable. I read your posts and think you are cheering for closure. In my opinion it is very sad to want to take something away from someone else because others have a fear. If enough people feel that the sun causes cancer can they stop everyone from going outside? |
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Post by crimson5 on Nov 30, 2020 23:03:50 GMT -5
Hearing momentum is building quickly to stop sports until mid-January. Could have an announcement this week. You are laughable. I read your posts and think you are cheering for closure. In my opinion it is very sad to want to take something away from someone else because others have a fear. If enough people feel that the sun causes cancer can they stop everyone from going outside? I agree with Dude on this. King does come across as a strong supporter of shutting stuff down. King didn't have alot of respect before, now he has even less. |
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Post by kingmartinez on Dec 1, 2020 8:52:44 GMT -5
Simmer. I don't think anyone on hear supporting or discouraging winter sports is going to have any impact on what is decided.
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Post by dude on Dec 1, 2020 9:13:37 GMT -5
Simmer. I don't think anyone on hear supporting or discouraging winter sports is going to have any impact on what is decided. I never said you had any impact at all. What I said was it's sad that you seem to be cheering for the delay in high school sports. When data shows kids to be at no risk and adults can make their own choices for themselves. |
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Post by mcm1019 on Dec 1, 2020 9:13:53 GMT -5
I get where you’re coming from on kids/teenagers but school are struggling with bus drivers, aides, cooks, custodians, secretaries and teachers. If they can’t operate from 8-3 it seems odd to open up from 3-9 for EXTRA-curricular. The difference is instead of being around 20 adults all day, a few of whom might be infected, they're only around their coach. Our district is struggling right now with employees testing positive and then kids getting sent home due to contact tracings, it's not so much the kids who are positive (at least in our district). Our county health commissioner has actually urged Superintendents to keep kids in school, where they can follow mandates and you know where they are most of the day. If you go remote, kids tend to gather with other kids throughout the day and not use safety measures. Just my opinion. |
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Post by unc4life on Dec 1, 2020 9:19:34 GMT -5
Here is the thing. If they shut down sports for a few weeks does it really matter? No, probably not. Here is my problem. Show me that youth sports are spreading the virus. Show me restaurants are spreading the virus. Until you show me where this is spreading, I cant take shutting down random things as a serious option. Let me tell you, I feel way less safe walking through WalMart with 1,000 people then I would sitting at a basketball game with 50.
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