MOAC 2021

[dude]

Apr 6, 2021 21:35:48 GMT -5 runriot742 said:

Apr 5, 2021 9:47:37 GMT -5 dude said:

I knew you would figure it our eventually. 

Thanks for always being jovial   and be willing to stay with me through these growing pains. How do you think the Cf coaching staff shakes out next year? I've heard that Rick and Jared are coaching freshman. Which is great, because they are both enthusiastic and understand the kids. Rick has the former head coaching experience, and Jared (his son), has success at the middle school level. With Clear Fork, it's also helpful they have a reliable option in Coach Bailey. He's coached the majority of future all-Ohio players for Clear Fork. I believe he's been there for over 20 years now. Is it true that McCorkle and Wirick are no longer with the program? If true, that's a shame. They were both young and enthusiastic coaches. Who the kids really liked playing for. 

Everyone likes the idea of bringing back former program players to be coaches. Usually because they have success somewhere else. 2 things you may want to remember, 1. It can be easier to focus on coaching if you are not the local stud or dud. 2. You currently have a former player as your coach.

[guy]

Apr 7, 2021 7:38:06 GMT -5 dude said:

Apr 6, 2021 21:35:48 GMT -5 runriot742 said:

Thanks for always being jovial   and be willing to stay with me through these growing pains. How do you think the Cf coaching staff shakes out next year? I've heard that Rick and Jared are coaching freshman. Which is great, because they are both enthusiastic and understand the kids. Rick has the former head coaching experience, and Jared (his son), has success at the middle school level. With Clear Fork, it's also helpful they have a reliable option in Coach Bailey. He's coached the majority of future all-Ohio players for Clear Fork. I believe he's been there for over 20 years now. Is it true that McCorkle and Wirick are no longer with the program? If true, that's a shame. They were both young and enthusiastic coaches. Who the kids really liked playing for. 

Everyone likes the idea of bringing back former program players to be coaches. Usually because they have success somewhere else. 2 things you may want to remember, 1. It can be easier to focus on coaching if you are not the local stud or dud. 2. You currently have a former player as your coach.

What do you suggest that they do then?

[dude]

Apr 7, 2021 9:16:31 GMT -5 guy said:

Apr 7, 2021 7:38:06 GMT -5 dude said:

Everyone likes the idea of bringing back former program players to be coaches. Usually because they have success somewhere else. 2 things you may want to remember, 1. It can be easier to focus on coaching if you are not the local stud or dud. 2. You currently have a former player as your coach.

What do you suggest that they do then?

I have no suggestion, only making conversation and pointing out that complaints are being made about a current coach who is a CF product so the answer may not be in finding more CF products. 

[guy]

Apr 7, 2021 10:43:56 GMT -5 dude said:

Apr 7, 2021 9:16:31 GMT -5 guy said:

What do you suggest that they do then?

I have no suggestion, only making conversation and pointing out that complaints are being made about a current coach who is a CF product so the answer may not be in finding more CF products. 

I was just asking if you had a suggestion or solution, no hostilities meant.

[dude]

Apr 7, 2021 10:52:06 GMT -5 guy said:

Apr 7, 2021 10:43:56 GMT -5 dude said:

I have no suggestion, only making conversation and pointing out that complaints are being made about a current coach who is a CF product so the answer may not be in finding more CF products. 

I was just asking if you had a suggestion or solution, no hostilities meant.

None taken. 

[guy]

Apr 7, 2021 11:32:50 GMT -5 dude said:

Apr 7, 2021 10:52:06 GMT -5 guy said:

I was just asking if you had a suggestion or solution, no hostilities meant.

None taken. 

So perfect world, what would you want to see happen?

[dude]

Apr 7, 2021 11:34:21 GMT -5 guy said:

Apr 7, 2021 11:32:50 GMT -5 dude said:

None taken. 

So perfect world, what would you want to see happen?

I have no cookies in that jar, so it really does not matter to me or anyone I am close with in CF since their kids are gone. But I assume the first plan would be to identify the problem on why you cannot get coaches to apply for openings there. Then you could look into eliminating the problem. "The first step in solving a problem is admitting you have one"

[Willard Fillmore]

As Dude suggests, nothing will change unless administrators think there IS a problem and then address perceived issues.

[guy]

Very doom and gloom in here eh?

[pirate80]

Any word on Harding and Pleasant? I didn't expect those openings especially this late.

[guy]

Apr 8, 2021 8:05:54 GMT -5 pirate80 said:

Any word on Harding and Pleasant? I didn't expect those openings especially this late.

I imagine It will be a promote from within at this point in time.

[wallpass]

Article in the Marion Star today says Pleasant is interviewing starting this week and hopes to announce a new coach at the April 26 BOE meeting.

[fanofthegame]

Interesting that Clear Fork is concerned about coaching after one down season.

I get that old school turns some kids away, but it does make boys into men which is part of what sports are for.

Maybe some coaches need the same.

You don’t win taking the easy path.

[sportsfan15]

Apr 9, 2021 18:44:04 GMT -5 fanofthegame said:

Interesting that Clear Fork is concerned about coaching after one down season.

I get that old school turns some kids away, but it does make boys into men which is part of what sports are for.

Maybe some coaches need the same.

You don’t win taking the easy path.

I dont believe anyone is complaining about "old school" ways as everyone in the area knows what the CF program is built upon. But multiple incidents over the course of many years that have driven many quality coaches from the CF program. I understand that quality is a relative term as well. However, belittling staff in front of players is uncalled for and is not good for any program. There are times and places for those conversations to be had in a more productive and responsible setting. I agree that winning does not include taking the easy way either.  At this point I am hearing that he is struggling to find coaches still. Over recent years it would seem that he has hired many "Yes Men" so that he can retain complete control and receive little to no input from them. As a coach wouldnt you want other coaches collectively collaborating and supporting one another throughout the week to week process?

[sportsfan15]

Apr 2, 2021 20:13:08 GMT -5 runriot742 said:

For Clear Fork's issues, I think that a really good guy they should try and bring back into the program and get involved is Coach Logan Slavisnki. He coached for senior high. He's a Clear Fork grad, the kids like him, he has the right temperament. He's a little younger. He played on the state championship baseball team, so he knows what it takes to win.

A little bit of a throwback, but I also think that Aaron Brokaw would be a good choice to bring onto staff. Both of them contributed to success during different periods in Clear Fork's history. Aaron Brokaw, played for coach Dan Sparks during the late 90s where they consistently finished 9-1. He then continued success being an offensive coordinator for a couple area programs. Logan Slavisnki, was a standout for some of Dave's team including the one that went 10-0 and lost during the playoffs over in Tiffin. Both have good relationships with the junior high staff.

They're both involved in the program. They both care about the community. I think it would be wise for the h/c to consider involving them.

Several people I have spoke with in the community over the last several years have said Slavinski would love to return to the program. But leaving Sr High was something he was not willing to do bc of relationships with his kids and the group that played for a State Title in '19. Those kids were a part of his first year at the school and he wanted to see things through, and who can blame him? Haha...  Rumor has it he has also mentioned his ultimate dream is being the next HC at CF. 

[runriot742]

I do not think it is very doom and gloom to acknowledge the fact that we have a coach who has ran several other coaches off. I don't think we are talking about a one off year--wherein covid-19 played a factor. I think any coach should get a pass for their w/l. However, this goes beyond wins and losses.

This isn’t about Clear Fork alumnus being concerned about coaching after one down season. This is not even about “old school” philosophy which may turn some kids away. Clear Fork kids are tough. This is not a boy’s to men conversation. However, alumnus have noticed that Dave belittles assistants. Regardless of success, that’s not good for any program. I’ve yet to see a complaint about Clear Fork which includes w/l’s and rather the coaching culture. Not even the culture of assistants, rather, it all starts with the head coach; who seems to be kind of my way or the highway kinda guy. Noone is insulting the kids, or the last year. Rather, they seem to be insulting a culture wherein the Coach abdicates responsibility and is rather negative—if not down right toxic.

[guy]

Apr 11, 2021 22:15:14 GMT -5 runriot742 said:

I do not think it is very doom and gloom to acknowledge the fact that we have a coach who has ran several other coaches off. I don't think we are talking about a one off year--wherein covid-19 played a factor. I think any coach should get a pass for their w/l. However, this goes beyond wins and losses.

This isn’t about Clear Fork alumnus being concerned about coaching after one down season. This is not even about “old school” philosophy which may turn some kids away. Clear Fork kids are tough. This is not a boy’s to men conversation. However, alumnus have noticed that Dave belittles assistants. Regardless of success, that’s not good for any program. I’ve yet to see a complaint about Clear Fork which includes w/l’s and rather the coaching culture. Not even the culture of assistants, rather, it all starts with the head coach; who seems to be kind of my way or the highway kinda guy. Noone is insulting the kids, or the last year. Rather, they seem to be insulting a culture wherein the Coach abdicates responsibility and is rather negative—if not down right toxic.

You seem to be the most keyed in to the situation indeed

[guy]

What would you like to see happen then runriot?

[Willard Fillmore]

Apr 11, 2021 22:15:14 GMT -5 runriot742 said:

I do not think it is very doom and gloom to acknowledge the fact that we have a coach who has ran several other coaches off. I don't think we are talking about a one off year--wherein covid-19 played a factor. I think any coach should get a pass for their w/l. However, this goes beyond wins and losses.

This isn’t about Clear Fork alumnus being concerned about coaching after one down season. This is not even about “old school” philosophy which may turn some kids away. Clear Fork kids are tough. This is not a boy’s to men conversation. However, alumnus have noticed that Dave belittles assistants. Regardless of success, that’s not good for any program. I’ve yet to see a complaint about Clear Fork which includes w/l’s and rather the coaching culture. Not even the culture of assistants, rather, it all starts with the head coach; who seems to be kind of my way or the highway kinda guy. Noone is insulting the kids, or the last year. Rather, they seem to be insulting a culture wherein the Coach abdicates responsibility and is rather negative—if not down right toxic.

The head football coach is like a General in an army. He might listen to the officers under him, but like it or not he makes all of the final decisions about the "highway". How does one "abdicate" if it's always "my way or the highway"?

[runriot742]

Apr 12, 2021 11:15:36 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Apr 11, 2021 22:15:14 GMT -5 runriot742 said:

I do not think it is very doom and gloom to acknowledge the fact that we have a coach who has ran several other coaches off. I don't think we are talking about a one off year--wherein covid-19 played a factor. I think any coach should get a pass for their w/l. However, this goes beyond wins and losses.

This isn’t about Clear Fork alumnus being concerned about coaching after one down season. This is not even about “old school” philosophy which may turn some kids away. Clear Fork kids are tough. This is not a boy’s to men conversation. However, alumnus have noticed that Dave belittles assistants. Regardless of success, that’s not good for any program. I’ve yet to see a complaint about Clear Fork which includes w/l’s and rather the coaching culture. Not even the culture of assistants, rather, it all starts with the head coach; who seems to be kind of my way or the highway kinda guy. Noone is insulting the kids, or the last year. Rather, they seem to be insulting a culture wherein the Coach abdicates responsibility and is rather negative—if not down right toxic.

The head football coach is like a General in an army. He might listen to the officers under him, but like it or not he makes all of the final decisions about the "highway". How does one "abdicate" if it's always "my way or the highway"?

I guess I should have been more clear with my use of abdicate. I am talking about when things don't go well there is a way to go about it where you can hold people accountable w/o becoming toxic. Now as far as what I would like to see happen is for some younger guys to get involved, as well as some of the older coaches. And even reach out to those who had previously coached within the program and maybe just ask to see what went well, why they left, and what could be improved on. I know that coaching is often thankless and unforgiving and is down right hard so lets try and figure things out so it doesn't have to more difficult than monday morning quarterbacks like myself (in this situation) make it to be. Now, as far as schematically goes, I have no idea. It has been so long since I have been involved with any program that I have limited knowledge with the way offenses and defenses are called and what works. But as far as culture goes, I think there probably just needs to be an evaluation of why people are leaving, and what adjustments can be made to attract and retain new coaching talent. I hope this answers your question. 

[guy]

Apr 12, 2021 13:03:10 GMT -5 runriot742 said:

Apr 12, 2021 11:15:36 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

The head football coach is like a General in an army. He might listen to the officers under him, but like it or not he makes all of the final decisions about the "highway". How does one "abdicate" if it's always "my way or the highway"?

I guess I should have been more clear with my use of abdicate. I am talking about when things don't go well there is a way to go about it where you can hold people accountable w/o becoming toxic. Now as far as what I would like to see happen is for some younger guys to get involved, as well as some of the older coaches. And even reach out to those who had previously coached within the program and maybe just ask to see what went well, why they left, and what could be improved on. I know that coaching is often thankless and unforgiving and is down right hard so lets try and figure things out so it doesn't have to more difficult than monday morning quarterbacks like myself (in this situation) make it to be. Now, as far as schematically goes, I have no idea. It has been so long since I have been involved with any program that I have limited knowledge with the way offenses and defenses are called and what works. But as far as culture goes, I think there probably just needs to be an evaluation of why people are leaving, and what adjustments can be made to attract and retain new coaching talent. I hope this answers your question. 

So you’re keyed into the situation, any word on staff?

[Willard Fillmore]

THE best scenario as far as coaches go, is if they're all teachers as well.

[dude]

Apr 13, 2021 17:53:58 GMT -5 guy said:

Apr 12, 2021 13:03:10 GMT -5 runriot742 said:

I guess I should have been more clear with my use of abdicate. I am talking about when things don't go well there is a way to go about it where you can hold people accountable w/o becoming toxic. Now as far as what I would like to see happen is for some younger guys to get involved, as well as some of the older coaches. And even reach out to those who had previously coached within the program and maybe just ask to see what went well, why they left, and what could be improved on. I know that coaching is often thankless and unforgiving and is down right hard so lets try and figure things out so it doesn't have to more difficult than monday morning quarterbacks like myself (in this situation) make it to be. Now, as far as schematically goes, I have no idea. It has been so long since I have been involved with any program that I have limited knowledge with the way offenses and defenses are called and what works. But as far as culture goes, I think there probably just needs to be an evaluation of why people are leaving, and what adjustments can be made to attract and retain new coaching talent. I hope this answers your question. 

So you’re keyed into the situation, any word on staff?

By the summer if not already, the positions will be filled with guys wanting to coach.

[guy]

So no one has heard anything about the staff? I was under the impression you all were keyed into the situation and had information

[dude]

Apr 14, 2021 8:43:16 GMT -5 guy said:

So no one has heard anything about the staff? I was under the impression you all were keyed into the situation and had information

It's possible that you misunderstood.

[guy]

Apr 14, 2021 10:23:07 GMT -5 dude said:

Apr 14, 2021 8:43:16 GMT -5 guy said:

So no one has heard anything about the staff? I was under the impression you all were keyed into the situation and had information

It's possible that you misunderstood.

That is a possibility, but some of these posts seemed to insinuate there was some inside information 

[dude]

Apr 14, 2021 10:28:00 GMT -5 guy said:

Apr 14, 2021 10:23:07 GMT -5 dude said:

It's possible that you misunderstood.

That is a possibility, but some of these posts seemed to insinuate there was some inside information 

If someone knows a past coach they can comment on what they have discussed with such a person with accurate information. OR if someone knows a school board member they may have been told a few pieces of information about a process. IF you want all the answers you could go to your Athletic Director to find out what is going on.

[Willard Fillmore]

Apr 14, 2021 10:28:00 GMT -5 guy said:

Apr 14, 2021 10:23:07 GMT -5 dude said:

It's possible that you misunderstood.

That is a possibility, but some of these posts seemed to insinuate there was some inside information 

Insinuation is often in the eye of the beholder

[runriot742]

Apr 14, 2021 10:58:43 GMT -5 dude said:

Apr 14, 2021 10:28:00 GMT -5 guy said:

That is a possibility, but some of these posts seemed to insinuate there was some inside information 

If someone knows a past coach they can comment on what they have discussed with such a person with accurate information. OR if someone knows a school board member they may have been told a few pieces of information about a process. IF you want all the answers you could go to your Athletic Director to find out what is going on.

According to the 2010 census Butler had a population of 933, and Bellville had a population of 1,918.Lets say that geographical school zone approximatively had double that. That's 6k, and you expect no-one to know the school board. Also, with that being said, ,the valley--- as I refer to it-- is a close knit community. Everyone knows a past coach,, school board member, or administrator. Of course there is going to be rumors and facts. Also, it is possible that someone may ask a question to either seek further information, or for an invitation for further debate, or a confirmation. 

I would also suggest that it is a forum, therefore, there are no credentials. 

This also discounts as to whether or not that person did go to the athletic director to find out what was going on. They may not have, however, it still remains a possibility they don't think that comment " if someone knows a past coach...etc," is ridiculous. 

[dude]

Apr 14, 2021 23:12:30 GMT -5 runriot742 said:

Apr 14, 2021 10:58:43 GMT -5 dude said:

If someone knows a past coach they can comment on what they have discussed with such a person with accurate information. OR if someone knows a school board member they may have been told a few pieces of information about a process. IF you want all the answers you could go to your Athletic Director to find out what is going on.

According to the 2010 census Butler had a population of 933, and Bellville had a population of 1,918.Lets say that geographical school zone approximatively had double that. That's 6k, and you expect no-one to know the school board. Also, with that being said, ,the valley--- as I refer to it-- is a close knit community. Everyone knows a past coach,, school board member, or administrator. Of course there is going to be rumors and facts. Also, it is possible that someone may ask a question to either seek further information, or for an invitation for further debate, or a confirmation. 

I would also suggest that it is a forum, therefore, there are no credentials. 

This also discounts as to whether or not that person did go to the athletic director to find out what was going on. They may not have, however, it still remains a possibility they don't think that comment " if someone knows a past coach...etc," is ridiculous. 

There are many ways to get informed in the "valley". Some of them will even give you the whole truth.