|
Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 24, 2021 18:48:58 GMT -5
That’s what I think they should do also. It’s being proactive and avoid the constant unknown and moving around. New SBC Huron Port Clinton Edison Vermilion Willard Perkins Bellevue Clyde I know that leaves TC, Sandusky and Norwalk in the dark but something has to be done before it’s to late for some schools. In that case, send Norwalk to the OCC, ha! Since day one I said the NEW SBC was destined to fail, for the very reasons we're seeing now. And this won't help. Willard and Vermillion won't like it due to football.
|
|
|
Post by falcon87 on Mar 24, 2021 21:15:43 GMT -5
All this speculation but no movement by SBC schools correct? No failure yet?
|
|
|
Post by Mike Hula on Mar 25, 2021 7:10:55 GMT -5
In that case, send Norwalk to the OCC, ha! Since day one I said the NEW SBC was destined to fail, for the very reasons we're seeing now. And this won't help. Willard and Vermillion won't like it due to football. Nostradamus. Genius. Fail? I don't believe so.
|
|
|
Post by dude on Mar 25, 2021 7:27:33 GMT -5
Since day one I said the NEW SBC was destined to fail, for the very reasons we're seeing now. And this won't help. Willard and Vermillion won't like it due to football. Nostradamus. Genius. Fail? I don't believe so. More like NostraDumbass. Even the coaches inside the SBC said publicly this was not a good long term set up when it happened.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 10:38:27 GMT -5
The reason the river schools won't all bolt is because some of them have sports that the other river schools don't and staying in the larger sbc gives them ability to compete in some of those sports within a league (not as independents.) that is my understanding but it could be wrong
|
|
|
Post by sbclives on Mar 25, 2021 10:46:40 GMT -5
In that case, send Norwalk to the OCC, ha! Since day one I said the NEW SBC was destined to fail, for the very reasons we're seeing now. And this won't help. Willard and Vermillion won't like it due to football. Willard and Vermilion could be in the Firelands and they’d still struggle for wins. If Oak Harbor does leave then it’s going to be a mess for everyone in the SBC. I would hope ADs are making phone calls in case this does happen.
|
|
|
Post by Mike Hula on Mar 25, 2021 11:08:33 GMT -5
Since day one I said the NEW SBC was destined to fail, for the very reasons we're seeing now. And this won't help. Willard and Vermillion won't like it due to football. Willard and Vermilion could be in the Firelands and they’d still struggle for wins. If Oak Harbor does leave then it’s going to be a mess for everyone in the SBC. I would hope ADs are making phone calls in case this does happen. In the last five years there are NOT many schools that either would beat - except maybe Danbury and even then they might now.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 13:16:37 GMT -5
Since day one I said the NEW SBC was destined to fail, for the very reasons we're seeing now. And this won't help. Willard and Vermillion won't like it due to football. Willard and Vermilion could be in the Firelands and they’d still struggle for wins. If Oak Harbor does leave then it’s going to be a mess for everyone in the SBC. I would hope ADs are making phone calls in case this does happen. I'd venture to bet there are some local coaches, AD's, and/or admin that post on here regularly, or at least used to. I am sure these conversations have taken place, I don't think that the SBC will get caught in the rain on this (if this mess happens as you describe). The SBC will remain and they may have to rework the divisions over the years, but I do not forsee it going anywhere for the forseeable future.
|
|
|
Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 25, 2021 13:36:01 GMT -5
Since day one I said the NEW SBC was destined to fail, for the very reasons we're seeing now. And this won't help. Willard and Vermillion won't like it due to football. Nostradamus. Genius. Fail? I don't believe so. Wiser than you, didn't take a genius to see what would transpire. Vermilion is Vermilion, Willard should play football in the River.
|
|
|
Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 25, 2021 13:43:01 GMT -5
Since day one I said the NEW SBC was destined to fail, for the very reasons we're seeing now. And this won't help. Willard and Vermillion won't like it due to football. Willard and Vermilion could be in the Firelands and they’d still struggle for wins. Thank you for making my point. Why would they want to play football against the schools in the league proffered?
|
|
2112
All Conference
Posts: 210
|
Post by 2112 on Mar 25, 2021 21:13:12 GMT -5
In that case, send Norwalk to the OCC, ha! Since day one I said the NEW SBC was destined to fail, for the very reasons we're seeing now... This kind of activity is *exactly* why the NEW SBC came to be, and despite all the rumors and sliding around, it has not failed, it has worked exactly as it was intended. And when the dust settles on this latest round of realignment, it'll still be there, exactly as planned. As far as the rumors involving OH, Vermilion, and Willard... they aren't going to like *any* situation they're in. Some schools are like that. And, as I've explained before, schools on the edges of their conferences' footprints will always have longer drives regardless of what conference they end up in, so the idea of them being a threat to leave really is a wash. The only way they can truly improve their situation is by interesting the closest teams to them in the surrounding conferences to break away with them and form a new conference. Anybody really think OH, Vermilion, or Willard have that kind of stroke? Yeah, me neither. All three have built themselves a history of being chronic complainers, and at least in Vermilion's case, an unreliable conference-mate. Not exactly good positions from which to lead such efforts. But even if they didn't have these flaws, who thinks realistically we're going to see conferences consisting of the circles of patsies closest to any of these three? OH already turned down NBC's invite earlier this (or late last) year. They aren't going anywhere. And neither are Vermilion and Willard. Why? Because they understand that, of all the options available, the NEW SBC is the best for them.
|
|
|
Post by crimsonblooded on Mar 27, 2021 9:26:35 GMT -5
This SBC is great for wrestling with the exception of the Lake having their own conference tournament this year. Under the circumstances I guess that worked too for 2021. Didn’t agree with it but I haven’t agreed with anything this year. I do believe if 8 schools break off to form a league they will not have the stability they have now. They also may not get back what they have now. The SBC, NOL and the MAL all failed and the new SBC is where we are regardless of a school that leaves or complains. Besides they may or at least have the option to be back in two years. Flexibility is key for the SBC and that is the reality and thinking outside the traditional box is the only route. The conference doesn’t fix internal problems. Whether it be the Community or Administrative, unfortunately some suffer from both. Fix your chair and quit crying about the table!
|
|
|
Post by baldref on Mar 27, 2021 10:30:48 GMT -5
I would hardly call the NOL a failure. One of Ohio's longest standing leagues in operation from 1944 to 2017. The SBC I think was established in 1948.
|
|
|
Post by sbclives on Mar 27, 2021 10:59:17 GMT -5
Also the SBC wasn’t a failure. Margaretta and SMCC were just to small to compete. I do miss the days of an 8 team league but understand why the SBC 3 divisions is best at the current time. Obviously no league is forever and neither is this one. There will be movement as some point it’s just when.
|
|
|
Post by crimsonblooded on Mar 27, 2021 12:06:46 GMT -5
Yeah great success for many years but failed to stay 8 teams in the end. NOL and SBC were 7 teams with schools with double plus enrollment for boys in football between competing schools. That was a valid case for the small schools. As the Lake schools who call the little guys cry babies still doesn’t allow Fremont Ross in. Which is comparable in difference in size and not as bad in percentage. Just because this conference calls it’s self SBC it’s not the old SBC. It is a new conference. Hybrid multiple leagues. Anyhow the divisions were for Football. It’s the best deal as school can flex up or down which maybe a lot more relevant decade to decade rather than year to year. Some one is going to be small but it’s a better flexible option than the old failed format. Now Willard and Vermilion having internal problems not conference problems. Willard losing to firelands schools shows they need to improve but it’s not as bad as Sandusky putting 77 points on them. But yes those leagues do fail to continue under old format and this is the best setup. That is my point
|
|
|
Post by sbclives on Mar 27, 2021 18:20:38 GMT -5
So basically this all comes down to what is Woodmore and Oak Harbor going to do that will put the wheels in motion or not.
|
|
|
Post by crimsonblooded on Mar 27, 2021 18:28:28 GMT -5
So basically this all comes down to what is Woodmore and Oak Harbor going to do that will put the wheels in motion or not. It disrupts but doesn’t change the SBC 3 divisions. Maybe Fremont Ross gets in. If so the Lake competitiveness doesn’t change and Ross doesn’t dominate or even win it in the near future. It is the answer for the next ten years anyhow.
|
|
|
Post by sbclives on Mar 27, 2021 19:01:42 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure Fremont Ross will never be in the SBC.
|
|
|
Post by gridiron58 on Mar 27, 2021 19:27:35 GMT -5
So basically this all comes down to what is Woodmore and Oak Harbor going to do that will put the wheels in motion or not. It disrupts but doesn’t change the SBC 3 divisions. Maybe Fremont Ross gets in. If so the Lake competitiveness doesn’t change and Ross doesn’t dominate or even win it in the near future. It is the answer for the next ten years anyhow. Bellevue and Clyde are afraid of Ross for some reason and since they control the SBC, Ross will never get in.
|
|
|
Post by crimsonblooded on Mar 27, 2021 19:46:08 GMT -5
It disrupts but doesn’t change the SBC 3 divisions. Maybe Fremont Ross gets in. If so the Lake competitiveness doesn’t change and Ross doesn’t dominate or even win it in the near future. It is the answer for the next ten years anyhow. Bellevue and Clyde are afraid of Ross for some reason and since they control the SBC, Ross will never get in. I think it has been more Clyde and Perkins. I don’t think Bellevue is afraid of Ross. Bellevue isn’t afraid of anybody and I thought about mentioning that but I thought it was well understood. My bad!
|
|
|
Post by gridiron58 on Mar 27, 2021 20:15:58 GMT -5
Bellevue and Clyde are afraid of Ross for some reason and since they control the SBC, Ross will never get in. I think it has been more Clyde and Perkins. I don’t think Bellevue is afraid of Ross. Bellevue isn’t afraid of anybody and I thought about mentioning that but I thought it was well understood. My bad! I respectfully disagree.... The Bellevue and Clyde AD's run that league and I've heard many times over the years that Bellevue is against Ross because they think they are too big. Technically by the numbers they are bigger, but the fact that Sandusky and Tiffin have competed and often beat Ross for many many years, I'm just not sure what they are really afraid of? Surely location wise Fremont is a great fit.
|
|
|
Post by sbclives on Mar 27, 2021 20:49:46 GMT -5
When you’re on top of the league like Bellevue, Clyde and TC have been, you don’t want to give that up. If Fremont Ross goes on an upswing in talent and goes on a 5-10 year run in football, Bellevue and Clyde would be none to happy they allowed them in their league.
|
|
|
Post by crimsonblooded on Mar 27, 2021 21:35:44 GMT -5
I think it has been more Clyde and Perkins. I don’t think Bellevue is afraid of Ross. Bellevue isn’t afraid of anybody and I thought about mentioning that but I thought it was well understood. My bad! I respectfully disagree.... The Bellevue and Clyde AD's run that league and I've heard many times over the years that Bellevue is against Ross because they think they are too big. Technically by the numbers they are bigger, but the fact that Sandusky and Tiffin have competed and often beat Ross for many many years, I'm just not sure what they are really afraid of? Surely location wise Fremont is a great fit. Bellevue technically could had been in the Bay one year and still went to the Lake. Maybe your right but I always heard Perkins and Clyde. But there is 6 schools in the Lake and two votes don’t run anything but then again I don’t know the bylaws for adding new members. But I’m sure Perkins had more concerns than Bellevue or Columbian. Obviously Sandusky doesn’t have a problem with Ross and not sure about Norwalk. If two votes keep them out it would be Clyde and Perkins. I don’t understand Clyde because they would have beaten Ross the last ten years but I know they don’t want Ross.
|
|
|
Post by broccolirob on Mar 28, 2021 23:46:47 GMT -5
When has it become fact that Vermilion is whining, having "internal issues", or since joining the SBC have they been an unreliable conference mate?
If "internal issues" equals having a long, painful drought in football, I suppose you could say that, but I don't think that means they're looking to run away from the SBC. For the most part, they've been at least occasionally competitive in most other sports and I think they realize they're in a good spot from a conference standpoint and generally pleased with how things have worked out.
If the geographic "gravity" of the league changes significantly with more teams from the west and/or south of the current configuration, or if there's an unexpected surge of interest in Vermilion from Lorain County schools, I suppose that could change. But otherwise they're happy with their conference home.
I know there were issues long ago due to the reconfiguration of their old league affiliations and the short-term presence of a rogue AD who made conference alignment decisions more out of self-interest than in the best interest of the school and kids, but that's now ancient history.
Vermilion has always been a tweener geographically and in terms of their size, and those have been huge contributors to past conference alignment challenges.
It is the westernmost town in Northeast Ohio, and the easternmost town in Northwest Ohio, a lake town straddling Erie and Lorain County with no options to the North. In that sense the current SBC fit is about as good as it gets. The only other logical option would be the Lorain County 8 with Firelands and some old Lakeland Conference rivals like Clearview, Oberlin, and Wellington. It's a weak football league where they would be more competitive, but I think they recognize the SBC is a better league and a better fit when looking at everything.
Also, as far as size is concerned they're a bigger small school, but not big enough to consistently hang with bigger schools year in and year out. That's another factor why the SBC is the right home for them and why the only other viable option is the Lorain County 8. The SBC tweener issues between the Lake and Bay divisions are child's play compared to all other options to the east of Vermilion, which would involve bigger schools like Amherst, Midview, Lorain, Elyria, and North Ridgeville and/or trips into Cuyahoga County with former conference mates that no longer make any sense (Lakewood, Rocky River, etc.).
|
|
|
Post by sbclives on Mar 29, 2021 10:43:48 GMT -5
If anything Vermilion has it pretty good now in the SBC. I remember not long ago when they were making very long trips with the leagues they were in and I’m sure parents and fans like this travel in the SBC much more then what they used to have.
This is the same for a lot of schools in north central Ohio. Where else would Huron, Vermilion, Edison, Willard or even PC go?
Unless 8 schools got together to make a league there’s just no other options for these schools.
|
|
|
Post by broccolirob on Mar 29, 2021 13:51:48 GMT -5
Totally agree. The options are fewer and further between than ever before.
|
|
|
Post by sbclives on Mar 29, 2021 16:27:20 GMT -5
If anyone ever wants to complain about their situation then take a look at what Vermilon had to go through in the old OHC. I also remember some of the leagues Sandusky has been in that had some major travel issues.
|
|
|
Post by broccolirob on Mar 29, 2021 17:20:07 GMT -5
Yes, the old OHC was the prize for Vermilion after the games of musical chairs stopped everywhere else. Four years of trips of 1 hour or (much) more each way, with Ashland the closest at 41 miles and Marion at 80 miles each way.
All for the pleasure of being completely overmatched and going 1-22 in football over a 4 year stretch. Talk about a character builder.
|
|
|
Post by dude on Mar 30, 2021 7:42:04 GMT -5
Travel is a much bigger part of the decisions today.
|
|
|
Post by maplecityjake on Mar 30, 2021 8:00:31 GMT -5
Personally, Bellevue's thinking is backwards, and I don't like saying this. Even if Ross goes on an upswing, it's another school to battle test the Redmen for potential tournament success. Conference trophies are nice, but tournament trophies are nicer.
|
|