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Post by 2112 on Apr 9, 2021 16:12:46 GMT -5
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Post by 2112 on Apr 12, 2021 21:38:17 GMT -5
OK, so Napoleon has announced they are all-NLL now and forever. So, now the idea of a 16-team big-small NLL seems much more realistic.
BG also stays. Expect Wauseon, Swanton, and Bryan to jump from the NWOAL, and Defiance from the WBL. NLL will convince Maumee to stay. *POOF* 16 teams.
Can also see a third tier coming together involving Archbold, Northwood, Liberty Center, Stritch, Ottawa Hills, Evergreen, and Delta. Maaaybe Montpelier. Big maybe. *POOF* 8 teams.
Maumee staying put will convince Elmwood and Woodmore to stay put in the NBC. They stay at 8 teams.
WBL will finally take Lima Senior to replace Defiance. Yeah, they're much bigger but the travel is sooo much better for everyone. Six of one, indeed.
As for the rest of the NWOAL, Patrick Henry acts on their invite to the BVC, keeping them at 10 after Cory-Rawson and Leipsic depart. The Williams County smalls apply to the GMC keeping them at 10 following Holgate's departure and Paulding's return. The TAAC small footballs left behind are kinda out of luck here along with the TRAC leavings.
The tie-back of all of this to the SBC? (1) The NLL got this idea from them, and (2) the realignment drama for the SBC is over. For now.
Consider my bracket locked in.
FIGHT!
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Post by chs71 on Apr 19, 2021 19:43:48 GMT -5
Maumee is gone to the NBC. Elmwood is gone to the BVC. They will not return.
Swanton wants to get away from Bryan and Wauseon, not start a new league with them.
The only person in Defiance interested in the 16 team NLL was the superintendent. Everybody else said no.
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Post by 2112 on May 6, 2021 20:21:54 GMT -5
Someone on Yappi posted something about Willard and Marion Pleasant voting in June on heading over to the N10. Anyone hear anything about this?
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Post by GHS 1999 on May 6, 2021 20:28:12 GMT -5
This was also posted on the MOAC forum. It is stated that a meeting may be taking place on June 13 to consider Pleasant and Willard.
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Post by dude on May 7, 2021 7:04:17 GMT -5
If Willard and OH exit the SBC would they still try to make 3 divisions?
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Post by Observer on May 7, 2021 9:07:42 GMT -5
Do you really think Port Clinton and Vermilion would stay if they had to move to the Lake?
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Post by Mike Hula on May 7, 2021 9:22:28 GMT -5
Here is the thing -
NBC does not have Tennis, Bowling, and Swimming N-10 does not have Tennis, Soccer, and Bowling
So make the move to "help your football program" but essentially have to fill out 6 full schedules in other "less important" sports.
Does one think the remainder of the SBC would play Willard/Oak Harbor in any sports 7-12?
A move from a large pool of schools such as the SBC to a pool of 8 or 10 will not necessarily help either school.
Besides who is running the show the BOE or the administrators at each of the schools? A big part of this is coaching. Think for a minute on Willard - it appears that they feel a switch in league will make wins. Try hiring a good coach! The last two have driven that program to where it is today.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 8, 2021 18:16:59 GMT -5
If the N10 takes Willard and Pleasant then Willard is gone. I think it is more of a question if the N10 takes them. Willard is desperate to salvage their football program. The question of Oak Harbor leaving just gives Willard more reason to leave. I think the River will end up being it’s own conference and the Lake moving on with what Bay division is left as its own conference. I think it would be good for wrestling for the two to stay together but these moves are not done for wrestling. Nor are they done for swimming, Tennis or Bowling. In June we will hear not gonna happen or it will drag out some more. I think more than likely it won’t happen. But if the N10 says yes then Willard is gone.
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Post by redskinfan04 on May 8, 2021 22:36:08 GMT -5
If the N10 takes Willard and Pleasant then Willard is gone. I think it is more of a question if the N10 takes them. Willard is desperate to salvage their football program. The question of Oak Harbor leaving just gives Willard more reason to leave. I think the River will end up being it’s own conference and the Lake moving on with what Bay division is left as its own conference. I think it would be good for wrestling for the two to stay together but these moves are not done for wrestling. Nor are they done for swimming, Tennis or Bowling. In June we will hear not gonna happen or it will drag out some more. I think more than likely it won’t happen. But if the N10 says yes then Willard is gone. With Ridgedale’s departure the N10 is at a perfect eight teams. Why would they bust that up to take Willard and/or Marion Plesant? Do you really think Port Clinton and Vermilion would stay if they had to move to the Lake? Where else would they go?
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 9, 2021 4:43:38 GMT -5
The name change to the “Perfect 8 Conference” isn’t necessarily free. But that is the question, will they stay at eight or go back to the original ten. Is ten the goal? We will find out in June possibly. I for one am good in the SBC. But I’m thinking about other sports rather than Football. Leagues are built and destroyed over Football! So we will see
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Post by fbfan on May 9, 2021 8:20:53 GMT -5
The name change to the “Perfect 8 Conference” isn’t necessarily free. But that is the question, will they stay at eight or go back to the original ten. Is ten the goal? We will find out in June possibly. I for one am good in the SBC. But I’m thinking about other sports rather than Football. Leagues are built and destroyed over Football! So we will see Crestline left the N10 after the 2014-2015 school year. They've been at 9 since then. If 10 was the goal, they could have signed up Willard a long time ago. I think there was thought by some that Ridgedale would not be far behind Crestline, which has come true. Now they are at 8, which I believe is where they want to be.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 9, 2021 8:26:52 GMT -5
The name change to the “Perfect 8 Conference” isn’t necessarily free. But that is the question, will they stay at eight or go back to the original ten. Is ten the goal? We will find out in June possibly. I for one am good in the SBC. But I’m thinking about other sports rather than Football. Leagues are built and destroyed over Football! So we will see Crestline left the N10 after the 2014-2015 school year. They've been at 9 since then. If 10 was the goal, they could have signed up Willard a long time ago. I think there was thought by some that Ridgedale would not be far behind Crestline, which has come true. Now they are at 8, which I believe is where they want to be. Ridgedale didn’t play a varsity football schedule. So Willard would of made it nine for football. The response Willard got was that they needed two. That is why Marion Pleasant contacted Willard and they both are applying. So either they are good with eight or now that they have two they can go back to ten. We shall see
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Post by fbfan on May 9, 2021 9:35:53 GMT -5
Crestline left the N10 after the 2014-2015 school year. They've been at 9 since then. If 10 was the goal, they could have signed up Willard a long time ago. I think there was thought by some that Ridgedale would not be far behind Crestline, which has come true. Now they are at 8, which I believe is where they want to be. Ridgedale didn’t play a varsity football schedule. So Willard would of made it nine for football. The response Willard got was that they needed two. That is why Marion Pleasant contacted Willard and they both are applying. So either they are good with eight or now that they have two they can go back to ten. We shall see I'm not sure if entering with Pleasant will help or hurt Willard's chances. The N10's northern schools are losing their longest league road trips for all the sports with the exit of Ridgedale. I'm not sure replacing them with even longer trips to south of Marion on weeknights is what they signed up for when they joined the N10. One of the reason's the N10 was formed was the proximity of the schools and short travel. Willard of course is no problem and could be played non conference occasionally by them, if desired. As you said, we shall see.
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Post by jvchesster on May 9, 2021 9:55:17 GMT -5
Ridgedale didn’t play a varsity football schedule. So Willard would of made it nine for football. The response Willard got was that they needed two. That is why Marion Pleasant contacted Willard and they both are applying. So either they are good with eight or now that they have two they can go back to ten. We shall see I'm not sure if entering with Pleasant will help or hurt Willard's chances. The N10's northern schools are losing their longest league road trips for all the sports with the exit of Ridgedale. I'm not sure replacing them with even longer trips to south of Marion on weeknights is what they signed up for when they joined the N10. One of the reason's the N10 was formed was the proximity of the schools and short travel. Willard of course is no problem and could be played non conference occasionally by them, if desired. As you said, we shall see. Willard was a good fit geographically. With pleasant in, not so much. May as well stick with the sbc bay division, even tho the football is much tougher.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 9, 2021 12:09:52 GMT -5
Ridgedale didn’t play a varsity football schedule. So Willard would of made it nine for football. The response Willard got was that they needed two. That is why Marion Pleasant contacted Willard and they both are applying. So either they are good with eight or now that they have two they can go back to ten. We shall see One of the reason's the N10 was formed was the proximity of the schools and short travel. Willard of course is no problem and could be played non conference occasionally by them, if desired. As you said, we shall see. Not true, Galion and Ontario(the schools not wanted) were closer to Bucyrus/Wynford/CC/Crestline than Mohawk, Carey, Ridgedale and SE. THE TRUTH, the powers to be, no longer wanted to deal with Galion football and Ontario basketball.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 9, 2021 12:15:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure if entering with Pleasant will help or hurt Willard's chances. The N10's northern schools are losing their longest league road trips for all the sports with the exit of Ridgedale. I'm not sure replacing them with even longer trips to south of Marion on weeknights is what they signed up for when they joined the N10. One of the reason's the N10 was formed was the proximity of the schools and short travel. Willard of course is no problem and could be played non conference occasionally by them, if desired. As you said, we shall see. Willard was a good fit geographically. With pleasant in, not so much. May as well stick with the sbc bay division, even tho the football is much tougher. Willard is further North than all N-10 schools and a lot further North than the power brokers.
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Post by sportsvideo on May 9, 2021 16:23:24 GMT -5
Crestline left the N10 after the 2014-2015 school year. They've been at 9 since then. If 10 was the goal, they could have signed up Willard a long time ago. I think there was thought by some that Ridgedale would not be far behind Crestline, which has come true. Now they are at 8, which I believe is where they want to be. Ridgedale didn’t play a varsity football schedule. So Willard would of made it nine for football. The response Willard got was that they needed two. That is why Marion Pleasant contacted Willard and they both are applying. So either they are good with eight or now that they have two they can go back to ten. We shall see traditionally Pleasant is as good as any sbc bay school... Wynford is about as good as any bay school, seneca east is about as good as any bay school , so with that in mind they could get running clock in 1/2 of those conference games as well.. Basketball wise Willard fits anywhere boys and girls..
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Post by jvchesster on May 9, 2021 16:29:58 GMT -5
Willard was a good fit geographically. With pleasant in, not so much. May as well stick with the sbc bay division, even tho the football is much tougher. Willard is further North than all N-10 schools and a lot further North than the power brokers. Oak harbor is about a hour drive. Looks like pleasant would be a touch over. Sucks for Willard to have to travel that far. The nol was perfect logistically, but size was becoming a issue. Wouldn’t have mattered in most sports, but the football team was having trouble competing and the brass felt it would be better to play in a smalller conference. The n10 could’ve thrown them a bone but for some reason they didn’t. It’s a good fit tho. Teams like bucyrus and buckeye would offer Willard a competitive game in football and Willard would’ve been one of the front runners in hoops the last several seasons in basketball. The girls team has beaten the top team in the n10 the last 3 years. (Regular season) And the boys have played in the district finals 2 of the last 3 years. Lasting longer than any n10 team in those particular 2 years. But for some reason the n10 thinks it’s a bad fit?? Smh. Maybe now that Willard has graduated some good players they are worthy now? We will see.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 9, 2021 16:33:29 GMT -5
Ridgedale didn’t play a varsity football schedule. So Willard would of made it nine for football. The response Willard got was that they needed two. That is why Marion Pleasant contacted Willard and they both are applying. So either they are good with eight or now that they have two they can go back to ten. We shall see traditionally Pleasant is as good as any sbc bay school... Wynford is about as good as any bay school, seneca east is about as good as any bay school , so with that in mind they could get running clock in 1/2 of those conference games as well.. Basketball wise Willard fits anywhere boys and girls.. No doubt Willard will lose games but Willard can win games in the N10, they are not going to win games in the bay. But that’s is really not my point. My point is will Willard get in. They are wanting to get in beside what I feel about it. I personally think the SBC is a great league to be in. But it is all about football. If N10 doesn’t take Pleasant and Willard then it will probably be 8 for a long time. SBC is a better fit for Willard besides Football. I’m good with that but the question at this point is will N10 take them? Willard is already committed to join N10 your feelings or point on Willard is irrelevant. They are wanting to join the N10 it is now up to the N10 to decide.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 6:50:10 GMT -5
N10 won's take Pleasant because of the drive times for one because the I could see Seneca East voting against adding them because of that. They are the northern most team.
Willard however, I could see them getting in, but they need a partner I assume
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Post by fbfan on May 10, 2021 7:35:20 GMT -5
I've never said Willard is a bad fit. What I do say is that the N10 members are under no obligation to admit new members just because they want in. What additional benefit would the N10 schools receive by changing the number of schools? The whole question comes down to which is a better number for this league with their current membership. Is it 8, 9, or 10? Most would agree that it's not 9. In order for it to be 10, 6 of the eight members would have to be thinking that 10 works better than 8. I don't think it does, and I don't think there will be enough members that think it does. I suppose they could be convinced, but just saying that "we want in because we're unhappy where we are, and could fit into your league" is not going to do it.
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Post by runawaytrain on May 10, 2021 9:07:26 GMT -5
I think it all boils down to how much you trust your other league members. If you think there's a flight risk or two, add. If you trust them all to stay, don't. The N10 probably has rid themselves of any flight risk, but I guess one can never be too sure.
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Post by jvchesster on May 10, 2021 17:43:50 GMT -5
I've never said Willard is a bad fit. What I do say is that the N10 members are under no obligation to admit new members just because they want in. What additional benefit would the N10 schools receive by changing the number of schools? The whole question comes down to which is a better number for this league with their current membership. Is it 8, 9, or 10? Most would agree that it's not 9. In order for it to be 10, 6 of the eight members would have to be thinking that 10 works better than 8. I don't think it does, and I don't think there will be enough members that think it does. I suppose they could be convinced, but just saying that "we want in because we're unhappy where we are, and could fit into your league" is not going to do it. What’s wrong with 9? Why would most say that?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 10, 2021 22:10:28 GMT -5
You're not an AD.
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Post by falcon87 on May 11, 2021 6:06:24 GMT -5
I've never said Willard is a bad fit. What I do say is that the N10 members are under no obligation to admit new members just because they want in. What additional benefit would the N10 schools receive by changing the number of schools? The whole question comes down to which is a better number for this league with their current membership. Is it 8, 9, or 10? Most would agree that it's not 9. In order for it to be 10, 6 of the eight members would have to be thinking that 10 works better than 8. I don't think it does, and I don't think there will be enough members that think it does. I suppose they could be convinced, but just saying that "we want in because we're unhappy where we are, and could fit into your league" is not going to do it. What’s wrong with 9? Why would most say that? One team will always get a bye with an odd number of teams. In weeks 6-10 it is tough to find non-conference games that are at the correct competitive level and geographically reasonable making it too much work for the AD if just an impossible task. And when a game is scheduled in this situation everyone from grandparents to the band complains when it produces small crowds or long travel.
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Post by sportsvideo on May 11, 2021 15:57:04 GMT -5
N10 won's take Pleasant because of the drive times for one because the I could see Seneca East voting against adding them because of that. They are the northern most team. Willard however, I could see them getting in, but they need a partner I assume i'd take seneca east in the bay... if they wanted to switch with willard.. i'd hate to see willard go based on the good people i know from there..and there are many... but gotta do whats best for your kids ..
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Post by 2112 on May 19, 2021 12:33:52 GMT -5
So... if Woodmore votes to join the SBC tomorrow night... and I'm betting they will... the River looks like this for football:
Calvert Gibsonburg Hopewell-Loudon Lakota Margaretta SJCC Woodmore
Obviously 8 is better. There's no way Willard getting into the N10. And OH ain't going to the NBC... especially now that the latter's decision to add Maumee is chasing smaller schools away. So... I think if I was Willard (and maybe the SBC) ... I'd be working Genoa hard to move to the SBC. Genoa would land in the Bay with similar size schools including PC and OH, bump Willard to the River where they'd be happy playing the smalls, and the conference would be back at 6-6-8 for football. Win, win, win, and win.
Another option could be Firelands, but I don't think they'll come out of the LCL.
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Post by falcon87 on May 19, 2021 15:13:24 GMT -5
I heard St Mary’s is planning to field 11-man while at the SBC track meet. Source was a better than average connection from another River school. Anybody got confirmed info on them?
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Post by kingmartinez on May 19, 2021 18:27:31 GMT -5
I heard St Mary’s is planning to field 11-man while at the SBC track meet. Source was a better than average connection from another River school. Anybody got confirmed info on them? That’s accurate.
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