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Post by runawaytrain on May 19, 2021 20:45:58 GMT -5
SMCC has a full league schedule this year so they better be planning on 11-man
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Post by sportsvideo on May 20, 2021 17:30:37 GMT -5
So... if Woodmore votes to join the SBC tomorrow night... and I'm betting they will... the River looks like this for football: Calvert Gibsonburg Hopewell-Loudon Lakota Margaretta SJCC Woodmore Obviously 8 is better. There's no way Willard getting into the N10. And OH ain't going to the NBC... especially now that the latter's decision to add Maumee is chasing smaller schools away. So... I think if I was Willard (and maybe the SBC) ... I'd be working Genoa hard to move to the SBC. Genoa would land in the Bay with similar size schools including PC and OH, bump Willard to the River where they'd be happy playing the smalls, and the conference would be back at 6-6-8 for football. Win, win, win, and win. Another option could be Firelands, but I don't think they'll come out of the LCL. Genoa would be a great option, but can we get them to do it?
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Post by 2112 on May 20, 2021 18:05:07 GMT -5
Genoa would be a great option, but can we get them to do it? I agree... they'd get their Ottawa County rivals in-conference and, while they both are a bit on the downsie right now, I'd love those yearly Huron-Genoa matchups. They'd also have room to schedule up to 5 of their former NBC rivals without having to worry about playing the bigs that the NBC seems to want to bring in. And it allows a stable escape from the currently imploding Toledo area conference sitch. But...the main sticking point is it would be somewhat increased travel for in-Bay matchups. And I don't have a good feel for the strength of their current conference rivalries. But hey... that's what negotiations are for :-)
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Post by runawaytrain on May 20, 2021 20:22:11 GMT -5
Woodmore board unanimously votes to join the SBC tonight
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Post by sbclives on May 20, 2021 20:54:14 GMT -5
So who’s the next smallest NBC school that won’t want to get kicked around by the bigger NBC schools?
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Post by 2112 on May 20, 2021 23:29:09 GMT -5
So who’s the next smallest NBC school that won’t want to get kicked around by the bigger NBC schools? The next five in terms of size are pretty even. If the rumors surrounding BG are true, and BG comes aboard, I could see some of them leaving. I find it difficult to believe Northwood would want to run into that buzzsaw if the TAAC holds together. The 2020 competively balanced enrollments look like this: 141 Woodmore (gone) 175 Elmwood (gone) 189 Otsego 192 Genoa 193 Lake 200 Eastwood 207 Fostoria 242 Rossford 285 Maumee (incoming) 162 Northwood (rumored) 362 Bowling Green (rumored) Hell, if BG came in and everybody got porky, the SBC could pick up Genoa, Lake, Eastwood, and Fostoria. With Woodmore jumping in and SMCC coming back, that could result in the fabled 8-8-8 if they could convince PC and Vermilion to bump up into the Lake. Those divisions would be VERY well balanced in terms of enrollment. And OH would have dat dere dreamy schedule.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 21, 2021 7:16:09 GMT -5
So who’s the next smallest NBC school that won’t want to get kicked around by the bigger NBC schools? The next five in terms of size are pretty even. If the rumors surrounding BG are true, and BG comes aboard, I could see some of them leaving. I find it difficult to believe Northwood would want to run into that buzzsaw if the TAAC holds together. The 2020 competively balanced enrollments look like this: 141 Woodmore (gone) 175 Elmwood (gone) 189 Otsego 192 Genoa 193 Lake 200 Eastwood 207 Fostoria 242 Rossford 285 Maumee (incoming) 162 Northwood (rumored) 362 Bowling Green (rumored) Hell, if BG came in and everybody got porky, the SBC could pick up Genoa, Lake, Eastwood, and Fostoria. With Woodmore jumping in and SMCC coming back, that could result in the fabled 8-8-8 if they could convince PC and Vermilion to bump up into the Lake. Those divisions would be VERY well balanced in terms of enrollment. And OH would have dat dere dreamy schedule. Why would they have to convince Port Clinton and Vermilion to join the Lake? Willard doesn’t think it works that way.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 7:48:35 GMT -5
Why would they have to convince Port Clinton and Vermilion to join the Lake? Willard doesn’t think it works that way. To bad Willard can't just get in the firelands conference.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 7:52:23 GMT -5
And OH ain't going to the NBC... especially now that the latter's decision to add Maumee is chasing smaller schools away. I wouldn't hedge my bets on that just yet.... sounds like its pretty split within the school about whether to make a run at the NBC or stay in the Bay. The least stable division in the SBC is the Bay, and it has the most schools who want to have their cake and eat it too in it. OH isn't a lock to stay in the SBC. Will be interesting to say the least. If the N10 would be willing to add one team, I'd say Willard has a shot, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 21, 2021 8:18:24 GMT -5
Why would they have to convince Port Clinton and Vermilion to join the Lake? Willard doesn’t think it works that way. To bad Willard can't just get in the firelands conference. Yeah especially that it sounds like the bay and river divisions may be growing northwest. I’m personally good with SBC wrestling but I know the football climate in Willard. But in all seriousness why would the SBC worry about who falls where in the future growth of the conference. Maybe the SBC makes another mid size division based on location for football with some crossover games with the bay.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 9:20:38 GMT -5
To bad Willard can't just get in the firelands conference. Yeah especially that it sounds like the bay and river divisions may be growing northwest. I’m personally good with SBC wrestling but I know the football climate in Willard. But in all seriousness why would the SBC worry about who falls where in the future growth of the conference. Maybe the SBC makes another mid size division based on location for football with some crossover games with the bay. they won't, they will try to keep it simple to be honest. They can use enrollment and if there are schools really close, like vermilion and bellevue were when the merger happened, they will likely look at totality of competitiveness in all sports (especially revenue sports). Plus, the Bay can be picky on who gets in there, or they appear to have been that way. I am also not on the inside of the decision making process so this is mostly hearsay from coaches and admin along with what is reported in news articles and such. There are others on here who are most definitely in the decision making process for this stuff
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Post by 2112 on May 21, 2021 11:12:17 GMT -5
I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that PC and Vermilion got into this with the understanding that they wouldn't have to be part of the Bay for football. Agreed, I was sure surprised when Willard was bumped up into the Bay on Shelby's exit... because I thought they had the same understanding. These thoughts may have been derived from reading too many posts here and overthinking it. :-D
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Post by sportsvideo on May 21, 2021 11:16:27 GMT -5
Genoa would be a great option, but can we get them to do it? I agree... they'd get their Ottawa County rivals in-conference and, while they both are a bit on the downsie right now, I'd love those yearly Huron-Genoa matchups. They'd also have room to schedule up to 5 of their former NBC rivals without having to worry about playing the bigs that the NBC seems to want to bring in. And it allows a stable escape from the currently imploding Toledo area conference sitch. But...the main sticking point is it would be somewhat increased travel for in-Bay matchups. And I don't have a good feel for the strength of their current conference rivalries. But hey... that's what negotiations are for :-) most of us are playing them in one sport or another.. i don't see it as a problem.. it would also allow willard to go to the river for football ..
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on May 21, 2021 16:17:55 GMT -5
Agreed, I was sure surprised when Willard was bumped up into the Bay on Shelby's exit Was it really that surprising that the SBC decided to go to a (at that time) 6-6-8 football setup instead of 6-5-9?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 11:39:02 GMT -5
I would have like to seen us be a little understanding with Willard, And let them be a River League Football member only, Bay Conference for all other sports. New Philadelphia in the Bay for Football only, Lake for all other sports. But, Only if New Philly was still willing to Pay us, If we let them schedule Dover. I like money, If they're not willing to Pony up, Then no deal.
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Post by jafo on May 22, 2021 14:40:32 GMT -5
I would have like to seen us be a little understanding with Willard, And let them be a River League Football member only, Bay Conference for all other sports. New Philadelphia in the Bay for Football only, Lake for all other sports. But, Only if New Philly was still willing to Pay us, If we let them schedule Dover. I like money, If they're not willing to Pony up, Then no deal. New Philadelphia is already headed to the OCC in 2022.
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Post by litebrite on May 24, 2021 9:22:42 GMT -5
So who’s the next smallest NBC school that won’t want to get kicked around by the bigger NBC schools? The next five in terms of size are pretty even. If the rumors surrounding BG are true, and BG comes aboard, I could see some of them leaving. I find it difficult to believe Northwood would want to run into that buzzsaw if the TAAC holds together. The 2020 competively balanced enrollments look like this: 141 Woodmore (gone) 175 Elmwood (gone) 189 Otsego 192 Genoa 193 Lake 200 Eastwood 207 Fostoria 242 Rossford 285 Maumee (incoming) 162 Northwood (rumored) 362 Bowling Green (rumored) Hell, if BG came in and everybody got porky, the SBC could pick up Genoa, Lake, Eastwood, and Fostoria. With Woodmore jumping in and SMCC coming back, that could result in the fabled 8-8-8 if they could convince PC and Vermilion to bump up into the Lake. Those divisions would be VERY well balanced in terms of enrollment. And OH would have dat dere dreamy schedule. Or 196 Oak Harbor (rumored) to the NBC....
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Post by falcon87 on May 24, 2021 17:43:45 GMT -5
So who’s the next smallest NBC school that won’t want to get kicked around by the bigger NBC schools? The next five in terms of size are pretty even. If the rumors surrounding BG are true, and BG comes aboard, I could see some of them leaving. I find it difficult to believe Northwood would want to run into that buzzsaw if the TAAC holds together. The 2020 competively balanced enrollments look like this: 141 Woodmore (gone) 175 Elmwood (gone) 189 Otsego 192 Genoa 193 Lake 200 Eastwood 207 Fostoria 242 Rossford 285 Maumee (incoming) 162 Northwood (rumored) 362 Bowling Green (rumored) Hell, if BG came in and everybody got porky, the SBC could pick up Genoa, Lake, Eastwood, and Fostoria. With Woodmore jumping in and SMCC coming back, that could result in the fabled 8-8-8 if they could convince PC and Vermilion to bump up into the Lake. Those divisions would be VERY well balanced in terms of enrollment. And OH would have dat dere dreamy schedule. Nobody historically really wanted Fostoria and only a really desperate conference would think about it now.
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Post by kingmartinez on May 24, 2021 18:57:26 GMT -5
The next five in terms of size are pretty even. If the rumors surrounding BG are true, and BG comes aboard, I could see some of them leaving. I find it difficult to believe Northwood would want to run into that buzzsaw if the TAAC holds together. The 2020 competively balanced enrollments look like this: 141 Woodmore (gone) 175 Elmwood (gone) 189 Otsego 192 Genoa 193 Lake 200 Eastwood 207 Fostoria 242 Rossford 285 Maumee (incoming) 162 Northwood (rumored) 362 Bowling Green (rumored) Hell, if BG came in and everybody got porky, the SBC could pick up Genoa, Lake, Eastwood, and Fostoria. With Woodmore jumping in and SMCC coming back, that could result in the fabled 8-8-8 if they could convince PC and Vermilion to bump up into the Lake. Those divisions would be VERY well balanced in terms of enrollment. And OH would have dat dere dreamy schedule. Or 196 Oak Harbor (rumored) to the NBC.... Picking up serious steam. We will see what tomorrow night brings.
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Post by jafo on May 24, 2021 20:37:21 GMT -5
Or 196 Oak Harbor (rumored) to the NBC.... Picking up serious steam. We will see what tomorrow night brings. What's happening tomorrow night?
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 24, 2021 20:49:15 GMT -5
If Oak Harbor is out does that mean Lakota to the Bay?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 24, 2021 21:47:10 GMT -5
If they make Lakota move up, they'll be looking elsewhere
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Post by sbclives on May 25, 2021 4:14:13 GMT -5
Could you imagine if they tried combining the Lake and Bay if Oak Harbor and Willard left?
Schools like Huron, Edison and PC really don’t have any other options.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 6:53:12 GMT -5
the best part of this, is if the Bay blows up. They were the pickiest teams in terms of who they wanted to play, and who they wanted in the Bay.
I don't see Margaretta or Lakota wanting to play football in the Bay. Good time to be a Lake school.
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Post by litebrite on May 25, 2021 7:04:40 GMT -5
Oak Harbor NBC MapSaw this on Yappi. Oak Harbor wouldn't have terrible drives in the NBC. Otsego and Fostoria would be the road trips. This map included BGHS which is also rumored to be an NBC future member.
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Post by jafo on May 25, 2021 8:18:57 GMT -5
If they make Lakota move up, they'll be looking elsewhere When they move a school to a different division who decides that and does the school have any choice?
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 25, 2021 9:40:43 GMT -5
If they make Lakota move up, they'll be looking elsewhere When they move a school to a different division who decides that and does the school have any choice? Willard got moved up to the Bay in football from the River and they had no choice. Not sure who decided it other than SBC members
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Post by dude on May 25, 2021 9:46:11 GMT -5
When they move a school to a different division who decides that and does the school have any choice? Willard got moved up to the Bay in football from the River and they had no choice. Not sure who decided it other than SBC members Looking at the enrollment of the schools, it was the right move.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 25, 2021 11:53:09 GMT -5
Willard got moved up to the Bay in football from the River and they had no choice. Not sure who decided it other than SBC members Looking at the enrollment of the schools, it was the right move. Yeah we kinda went over that already but the example being Willard, therefore if Oak Harbor goes then the right move would be Lakota to the Bay. So we shall see how consistent things are if this scenario happens. 👀
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 12:05:58 GMT -5
Looking at the enrollment of the schools, it was the right move. Yeah we kinda went over that already but the example being Willard, therefore if Oak Harbor goes then the right move would be Lakota to the Bay. So we shall see how consistent things are if this scenario happens. 👀 which can be the domino to the death knell of the current SBC set up. The Bay portion of the league will have some tough choices ahead.
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