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Post by jafo on Aug 2, 2021 13:22:53 GMT -5
Buckeye fans will only get 2 seasons at most of Ewers at QB. And everyone will thank him for his service and move on to the next "superstar".
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 2, 2021 18:06:31 GMT -5
Buckeye fans will only get 2 seasons at most of Ewers at QB. Maybe none if Stroud wins the Heisman this year
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Post by Birdman on Aug 3, 2021 4:13:18 GMT -5
Buckeye fans will only get 2 seasons at most of Ewers at QB. I’ll take back to back national championships hahahah!
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 3, 2021 6:35:55 GMT -5
The Ewers decision. along with the Singletary opt out, completely changes the '22 recruiting rankings. Ohio State has dropped from 1st and a rating of 282.67, to 3rd and a rating of 257.66 There is room for a lot more committments in the '22 class, so things will change.
Ewers moving into the '21 class has the Buckeyes in a near virtual tie with Alabama, both with (7) 5 stars. The only difference being, Bama has 27 committed and the Buckeyes have 23 committs.
The important point in all this is, we are there! The Buckeyes are now, on the same eye level with Alabama and consistently, recruiting at their level. Think this important measurable is not really important? Think again, potential recruits monitor this and it fortifies our position for those top rated recruits who are considering all factors in their final decision.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 6, 2021 8:42:31 GMT -5
every QB not named Ewers will transfer before the start of the 2022 season so Day better start pitchin woo at Arch for 2023
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 6, 2021 8:54:42 GMT -5
Is there such a thing as over-recruiting? This years QB room is an embarrassment of riches. Other programs, eat your heart out!
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Post by dude on Aug 6, 2021 9:14:01 GMT -5
Is there such a thing as over-recruiting? This years QB room is an embarrassment of riches. Other programs, eat your heart out! NO. Nothing embarrassing in my eyes. To me it says a lot about a program when a player wants to be there even if it means being 2nd or 3rd string. Look what it did for Cardale Jones, Joe Burrow and Gunnar Hoak.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 6, 2021 19:31:36 GMT -5
every QB not named Ewers will transfer before the start of the 2022 season so Day better start pitchin woo at Arch for 2023 Stroud will still be that after winning the Heisman.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 7, 2021 7:11:43 GMT -5
every QB not named Ewers will transfer before the start of the 2022 season so Day better start pitchin woo at Arch for 2023 Stroud will still be that after winning the Heisman. Pretty safe to say, the Heisman won't be awarded to a Buckeye. If Stroud is the starter, expect McCord, Ewers and Miller to get late game snaps, in games already decided. Consequently, the stats won't be there, to conjure up a Heisman conversation IMO.
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Post by dude on Aug 7, 2021 8:46:36 GMT -5
Stroud will still be that after winning the Heisman. Pretty safe to say, the Heisman won't be awarded to a Buckeye. If Stroud is the starter, expect McCord, Ewers and Miller to get late game snaps, in games already decided. Consequently, the stats won't be there, to conjure up a Heisman conversation IMO. D Haskins had almost 1,000 more total yards in his last OSU season than T. Tebow did the year he won the Heisman. Stats are definitely a part of it but team success is a large part as well. J. Fields had a total 3,757 total yards in a season that saw his three backups get in a combined 27 games. His 3,757 total yards that season, ranks 16th on the complete list of Heisman winners ranked by total yards. IF Stroud is the starter and IF he is getting pulled early in the 4th quarter, it is because he has done a full day's work with good stats and the Bucks up big. That will put him in NY on Dec 11. IMO IF he is in the game late with the Bucks up big he will be handing it off, so no late game stats. IF the Bucks are not winning big, he will not be in the Heisman running.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 10:09:02 GMT -5
Stroud is +1500 to win the Heisman
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 7, 2021 11:22:26 GMT -5
McCord is the best QB on that roster currently.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 7, 2021 12:04:25 GMT -5
Pretty safe to say, the Heisman won't be awarded to a Buckeye. If Stroud is the starter, expect McCord, Ewers and Miller to get late game snaps, in games already decided. Consequently, the stats won't be there, to conjure up a Heisman conversation IMO. D Haskins had almost 1,000 more total yards in his last OSU season than T. Tebow did the year he won the Heisman. Stats are definitely a part of it but team success is a large part as well. J. Fields had a total 3,757 total yards in a season that saw his three backups get in a combined 27 games. His 3,757 total yards that season, ranks 16th on the complete list of Heisman winners ranked by total yards. IF Stroud is the starter and IF he is getting pulled early in the 4th quarter, it is because he has done a full day's work with good stats and the Bucks up big. That will put him in NY on Dec 11. IMO IF he is in the game late with the Bucks up big he will be handing it off, so no late game stats. IF the Bucks are not winning big, he will not be in the Heisman running. All, great points, but I'm thinking the odds for a 1st year QB to be at the Heisman awards in NYC are long. Most, usually have a track record from the previous season and some name recognition. Of this group, this year, my choice to be a starter is Kyle McCord, with the best ability to rope it to the cast of all-star receivers we have.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 7, 2021 12:10:49 GMT -5
McCord is a true freshman, Stroud is the guy who is primed and ready to have a big year THIS SEASON. I am a huge fan of Stroud, like a HUGE fan. I just (selfishly) want to see us get as many starting years as we can out of Stroud/McCord/Ewers, I assumed when Ewers committed that Miller would be the odd man out but now there is a real log jam. Hope we don't spend two years developing a guy that goes out and Burrows for another B10 program or National Conpetitor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 12:21:54 GMT -5
McCord is a true freshman, Stroud is the guy who is primed and ready to have a big year THIS SEASON. I am a huge fan of Stroud, like a HUGE fan. I just (selfishly) want to see us get as many starting years as we can out of Stroud/McCord/Ewers, I assumed when Ewers committed that Miller would be the odd man out but now there is a real log jam. Hope we don't spend two years developing a guy that goes out and Burrows for another B10 program or National Conpetitor. I can see Miller end up back out west closer to home
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Post by ronburgandy on Aug 7, 2021 12:27:01 GMT -5
McCord is a true freshman, Stroud is the guy who is primed and ready to have a big year THIS SEASON. I am a huge fan of Stroud, like a HUGE fan. I just (selfishly) want to see us get as many starting years as we can out of Stroud/McCord/Ewers, I assumed when Ewers committed that Miller would be the odd man out but now there is a real log jam. Hope we don't spend two years developing a guy that goes out and Burrows for another B10 program or National Conpetitor. I can see Miller end up back out west closer to home Thats my thought too. One of the Arizona schools maybe.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 7, 2021 12:56:31 GMT -5
Stroud will still be that after winning the Heisman. Pretty safe to say, the Heisman won't be awarded to a Buckeye. If Stroud is the starter, expect McCord, Ewers and Miller to get late game snaps, in games already decided. Consequently, the stats won't be there, to conjure up a Heisman conversation IMO. So you're saying starters Rattler, Young and Uiagalelei will get the late game snaps for Oklahoma, Georgia and Clemson in games already decided??
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 8, 2021 16:53:53 GMT -5
Pretty safe to say, the Heisman won't be awarded to a Buckeye. If Stroud is the starter, expect McCord, Ewers and Miller to get late game snaps, in games already decided. Consequently, the stats won't be there, to conjure up a Heisman conversation IMO. So you're saying starters Rattler, Young and Uiagalelei will get the late game snaps for Oklahoma, Georgia and Clemson in games already decided?? Good point, when looking at it like that, all things can be relative in nature. I think it's going to be an intense competition between McCord & Stroud, with everyone watching Ewers as the season progresses, will he get on the field? The whole football world will be watching the Buckeyes QB situation.
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Post by ronburgandy on Aug 16, 2021 18:33:04 GMT -5
With Coach Day basically naming Stroud the starter today(as everyone figured), now it’ll get interesting to see how the QB situation plays out over the next few years. Sounds like Mccord has also surpassed Miller for the 2nd spot.
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Post by dude on Aug 17, 2021 4:14:28 GMT -5
Even back in the spring game, Mccord was outplaying Miller.
Miller 17-30 passing 128yds 0-TD 1-INT McCord 12-17 passing 184yds 2-TD 0-INT
Each one of them saw time with both teams.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 17, 2021 7:57:47 GMT -5
All problems have a way of sorting themselves out and the QB situation is doing just that. By all appearances, C.J. is our starter and destined to become the next, great OSU QB. Looking through the eyes of a coach, there are a lot of intangibles, beyond the physical aspect and one of the most important is leadership and how his teamates react and respond, is so crucial.
McCord has done everything right so far and impressed, with passing prowess that is in the realm of 'special'. I am excited about McCord being a great, great QB, who has shown poise in the pocket, delivers deep balls with precision and accuracy. He is still learning the system, however. A great backup.
After all the hoopla and accolades have died down a bit, it has become apparent, Quinn Ewers understands that he has a lot of learning to do, in his development. The more I think about it, the more I understand the infinite wisdom to begin training under the careful guidance and expertise of Ryan Day and Corey Dennis, instead of high school coaches. This should accelerate the developmental curve, toward that day when his number will finally be called upon. Early indications from Quinn are encouraging. He is not the spoiled and pampered child, that expects to have the keys to the car handed to him. I think he understands, there is a process and he is at the very beginning of that process.
It is becoming increasingly clear, Jack Miller may be the odd man out. This could change, but as things move toward more focus, Jack may be the one entering the transfer portal, at some point in time.
All problems have a way of sorting themselves out, indeed.
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Post by dude on Aug 17, 2021 9:47:17 GMT -5
I have been impressed with McCord as well. I just hope he gets a chance to showcase his skills in Columbus.
I keep reminding myself about how much Tate Martel was publicized when he arrived and look where he is now.
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Post by ronburgandy on Aug 17, 2021 10:02:36 GMT -5
I wonder if there could be a situation where Mccord never even really plays at OSU before transferring? If Stroud is starter next two seasons(assuming he then bolts for NFL), Ewers most likely steps in next. There’s going to be so much pressure to play Ewers(even next season too), especially since he’s one of the top recruits ever, by ratings.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 17, 2021 10:45:02 GMT -5
^ i think that will be the case which is a *shame* in some aspect because McCord is fantastic ^
also, Ewers will not sit this year and next, at least i don't think so...if Sarkesian gets things humming at Texas it wouldn't shock me to see Ewers tranfer back there if Stroud starts for 2 years
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Post by dude on Aug 17, 2021 10:46:22 GMT -5
Remembering what Coach Day said on media day. The thing these guys should be worrying about is development. Being recruited and rated high is great in high school. As I said, Tate Martel was rated the 5th best QB in the country for his class, and he has thrown 1 TD so far in his 4 year college career.
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Post by ronburgandy on Aug 17, 2021 10:51:20 GMT -5
^ i think that will be the case which is a *shame* in some aspect because McCord is fantastic ^ also, Ewers will not sit this year and next, at least i don't think so...if Sarkesian gets things humming at Texas it wouldn't shock me to see Ewers tranfer back there if Stroud starts for 2 years Thats what I’m wondering about too. How long does Ewers wait? He’ll most likely be better than Stroud so how long will be sit around, when he knows he could go anywhere and start right away. And as I mentioned, there’s going to be so much pressure to play him. Has there ever been a scenario like this at the QB position in college football?
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Post by dude on Aug 17, 2021 11:30:51 GMT -5
I would hope that if everyone knows Ewers is better than Stroud at some point, then Ewers would not be sitting behind Stroud.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 17, 2021 11:34:04 GMT -5
Ewers does not need to be the starter before his Junior year. As long as he's the starting QB for Ohio State by his third year, he's the #1 pick in the NFL draft. The same holds true for McCord. One or the other, the one that feels they will lose the competition for the starting job, will transfer sometime during or after next season. The one who is not the back up next year.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 17, 2021 11:39:30 GMT -5
I would hope that if everyone knows Ewers is better than Stroud at some point, then Ewers would not be sitting behind Stroud. If Ohio State gets to the Finals of the playoffs this year and Stroud looks good doing it. No way does Ryan Day replace him next year with McCord OR Ewers, unless he is injured of falls on his face next season.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 17, 2021 14:33:49 GMT -5
Ewers does not need to be the starter before his Junior year. As long as he's the starting QB for Ohio State by his third year, he's the #1 pick in the NFL draft. The same holds true for McCord. One or the other, the one that feels they will lose the competition for the starting job, will transfer sometime during or after next season. The one who is not the back up next year. I have little doubt, Quinn Ewers, his parents and Ryan Day have had serious, protracted discussions, bent on laying out a plan of development that will most benefit young Ewers, looking at the immediate and long term future, that will also fit within the football programs vision of things. One thing we can be certain of, the Ohio State football program and Coach Day will not allow themselves to be languishing in the realm of uncertainty. I'm certain, there will be a designed plan in place and if it is not workable, McCord then takes his rightful step forward. We do know this, Quinn will be working with Mickey Marotti on his physical conditioning and working closely with Coach Dennis and Coach Day on his technique & mental development. As Day just stated, that "Ewers has a long way to go yet". As good as he is, he is in his infancy and a project. (kinda like tweaking and fine tuning a Ferrari, you might say) Next year, he will be the equivalent of a freshman, but with the advantage of a full year of top notch coaching (that he would not have had, otherwise). By the time year three rolls around, he will know the playbook forward and backwards, be primed and ready for the big time and 'Ewers' and 'Heisman' will be mentioned in the same breath. Anything short of that, would be a tremendous disservice to this tremendously talented, young athlete.
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