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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 9, 2021 10:15:26 GMT -5
Shelby v Shawnee should be a good game. The question is has the MOAC prepared SHS for Shawnee? Can Shelby match the Shawnee intensity of the Defensive end. Which big time player which each has owns the last 3 minutes Your obsession with strength of schedule is borderline insane. Shawnee is really good because they have one of the best players in Ohio. Not because of their schedule great player and more than adequate preparation.
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2021 11:29:24 GMT -5
Your obsession with strength of schedule is borderline insane. Shawnee is really good because they have one of the best players in Ohio. Not because of their schedule great player and more than adequate preparation. I think this is very accurate, they have a great player AND their schedule helps to prepare them.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 9, 2021 16:20:53 GMT -5
Has Shawnee done a better job of recruiting? I see Lima Catholic is down
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 9, 2021 16:25:38 GMT -5
I’ve said this before so some of you can echo my wife by chastising me for telling the same story but strength of schedule matters.
The best game is the one you barely win. You were pushed and rose to the challenge.
The second best is the game you barely lose. You were pushed and fell just short. Analyze the weaknesses and correct them.
Then comes the blowout win. At least it builds your confidence.
Big losses just suck.
JMO.
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Post by 419bossman on Mar 9, 2021 20:05:40 GMT -5
Who do you got?
Region 5 Akron St. Vincent-St Mary's Gates Mills Gilmour Academy Final- Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary's
Region 6 Akron Buchtel Lima Shawnee Final- Lima Shawnee
Region 7 Chillicothe Unioto Vincent-Warren Final- Vincent-Warren
Region 8 Tipp City Tippecanoe Cincinnati Archbishop McNicholas Final- Cincinnati Archbishop McNicholas
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Post by graffz06 on Mar 10, 2021 9:44:14 GMT -5
Here are the Regional Games and Sites Region 8 will be at Vandalia-Butler High School. The Regional Semis will be played on Thursday March 11th and The Final being played on Saturday March 13th @ 1:00pm. Game 1 @ 5:30pm- #7 Tipp City Tippecanoe vs. Dayton Chaminade Julienne Game 2 @ 8:00pm- Columbus Bishop Hartley vs. #13 Cincinnati Archbishop McNicholas State Semis Match ups Region 8 vs. Region 7 Region 5 vs. Region 6 In Region 8 it's Columbus Bishop Watterson not Hartley. Just FYI. Watterson defeated Heath in District finals. Same Heath that tied with D3 regional qualifier Johnstown in Licking County League - who will face off with Western Reserve tonight in D3 at Elida.
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Post by 419bossman on Mar 10, 2021 10:42:55 GMT -5
Here are the Regional Games and Sites Region 8 will be at Vandalia-Butler High School. The Regional Semis will be played on Thursday March 11th and The Final being played on Saturday March 13th @ 1:00pm. Game 1 @ 5:30pm- #7 Tipp City Tippecanoe vs. Dayton Chaminade Julienne Game 2 @ 8:00pm- Columbus Bishop Hartley vs. #13 Cincinnati Archbishop McNicholas State Semis Match ups Region 8 vs. Region 7 Region 5 vs. Region 6 In Region 8 it's Columbus Bishop Watterson not Hartley. Just FYI. Watterson defeated Heath in District finals. Same Heath that tied with D3 regional qualifier Johnstown in Licking County League - who will face off with Western Reserve tonight in D3 at Elida. Thanks for letting me know and I have fixed the error
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 10, 2021 14:02:16 GMT -5
Has Shawnee done a better job of recruiting? I see Lima Catholic is down their CB is 2... so doesn't appear to be..
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Post by dude on Mar 10, 2021 14:45:49 GMT -5
Has Shawnee done a better job of recruiting? I see Lima Catholic is down their CB is 2... so doesn't appear to be.. Shawnee is rural district so recruiting is not likely and not many of them rural schools recruit like Ontario's recruiter. Their CB is 10.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 10, 2021 19:18:35 GMT -5
Will Mangas and Pugh defend each other? They're both combo guards. Is one a better defensive player than the other?
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Post by perwalk on Mar 10, 2021 20:15:19 GMT -5
Will Mangas and Pugh defend each other? They're both combo guards. Is one a better defensive player than the other? If I’m Shelbys coach in no way put Pugh on Mangus to disciplined and fundamental could spell foul trouble. 68-60 LS imo
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Post by utsherman on Mar 11, 2021 20:35:25 GMT -5
Shawnee 42 Whippets 36 Half
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Post by perwalk on Mar 11, 2021 21:23:13 GMT -5
Perwalk called it as Shawnee down after 3 pulls away late to advance...
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Post by 419bossman on Mar 11, 2021 21:52:47 GMT -5
Results from tonight's Games
Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary's 76 Struthers 37
Gates Mills Gilmour Academy 59 Youngstown Chaney 52
Akron Buchtel 68 Toledo Central Catholic 51
Lima Shawnee 76 Shelby 67
Columbus St. Francis DeSales 40 Chillicothe Unioto 37
Byesvilles Meadowbrook 52 Vincent Warren 51 OT
Dayton Chaminade-Julienne 58 Tipp City Tippecanoe 55
Columbus Bishop Watterson 48 Cincinnati Archbishop McNicholas 41 2OT
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Post by 419bossman on Mar 11, 2021 21:57:27 GMT -5
Regional Finals will be played on Saturday March 13th
Region 5 at Barberton High School @ 1:00pm Gates Mills Gilmour Academy vs. #1 Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary's
Region 6 at Elida High School @ 2:00pm #9 Akron Buchtel vs. #2 Lima Shawnee
Region 7 at Chillicothe Southeastern High School @ 3:00pm Byesville Meadowbrook vs. Columbus St. Francis DeSales
Region 8 at Vandalia-Butler High School @ 1:00pm Columbus Bishop Watterson vs. Dayton Chaminade-Julienne
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Post by 419bossman on Mar 11, 2021 22:51:22 GMT -5
Well the area teams didn't do so well in the Regionals 0-7. 0-4 for the boys(Shelby, Western Reserve, Carey, Lucas), 0-3 for the girls (Bellevue, Buckeye Central, and Willard). Don't get me wrong but all of the teams had excellent seasons despite the craziness. But when you get to this level it is a different animal. Hopefully some of these teams can make another run next year.
With the Shelby game, Shelby did do a great job coming back when they were down by 12 or 13 early in the game. Shawnee is a very good team and I think Shelby was just spent from coming back. You could tell that Shawnee had been in these types of situations before and handled it very well in the 4th once they took the lead there was no turning back, I didn't think Shelby had another run in them to crawl back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 5:50:36 GMT -5
Well the area teams didn't do so well in the Regionals 0-7. 0-4 for the boys(Shelby, Western Reserve, Carey, Lucas), 0-3 for the girls (Bellevue, Buckeye Central, and Willard). Don't get me wrong but all of the teams had excellent seasons despite the craziness. But when you get to this level it is a different animal. Hopefully some of these teams can make another run next year. With the Shelby game, Shelby did do a great job coming back when they were down by 12 or 13 early in the game. Shawnee is a very good team and I think Shelby was just spent from coming back. You could tell that Shawnee had been in these types of situations before and handled it very well in the 4th once they took the lead there was no turning back, I didn't think Shelby had another run in them to crawl back. Shelby had no answer to the zone Shawnee used in the 4th
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 12, 2021 7:03:05 GMT -5
Mangas and Pugh Both very good , colleges?
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 12, 2021 7:53:40 GMT -5
Mangas and Pugh Both very good , colleges? Pugh has 4-5 D2 verbals. Mangas has nothing. It doesn’t surprise me. My son and I were talking and he is the most unimpressive 30 point average kid we’ve seen. I know I’ll take flack for that comment. He was the D2 POY last year with zero offers so I’m not completely crazy. Half his points come from leaking out on defense when the shot goes up and receiving a baseball pass from a teammate. Now, I’m not faulting him, his coach, or the team. If nobody is going to take it away keep ringing that bell. He did hit a couple of threes when open and he pinned a couple of defenders in the post (he won’t get those points in college at his height). He’s a really good high school player, but too short for a 4 or 5 in college and not athletic enough for a 2 or 3. Kinda like Tim Tebow and the NFL.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 12, 2021 8:09:12 GMT -5
I agree fan. I said to myself last night — “he’s a cherry picker “. His teammates kinda make him what he is. To just look at him, not impressive physically. But he finishes around the basket really well. D3-D2 Max.
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Post by dude on Mar 12, 2021 8:49:47 GMT -5
Well the area teams didn't do so well in the Regionals 0-7. 0-4 for the boys(Shelby, Western Reserve, Carey, Lucas), 0-3 for the girls (Bellevue, Buckeye Central, and Willard). Don't get me wrong but all of the teams had excellent seasons despite the craziness. But when you get to this level it is a different animal. Hopefully some of these teams can make another run next year. With the Shelby game, Shelby did do a great job coming back when they were down by 12 or 13 early in the game. Shawnee is a very good team and I think Shelby was just spent from coming back. You could tell that Shawnee had been in these types of situations before and handled it very well in the 4th once they took the lead there was no turning back, I didn't think Shelby had another run in them to crawl back. Shelby had no answer to the zone Shawnee used in the 4th Shawnee played the box-1 at different times during the game. Early on it it was allowing Pugh to get into the lane coming off a ball screen with good results for Shelby because they were concerned about the screener scoring. Late in the game Shawnee started to show a trap on Pugh and left the screener open.
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Post by dude on Mar 12, 2021 8:51:08 GMT -5
Mangas and Pugh Both very good , colleges? Mangas has an offer from Findlay and Pugh has one from Ashland, Fairmont St and Malone.
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Post by dude on Mar 12, 2021 9:01:49 GMT -5
Mangas and Pugh Both very good , colleges? Pugh has 4-5 D2 verbals. Mangas has nothing. It doesn’t surprise me. My son and I were talking and he is the most unimpressive 30 point average kid we’ve seen. I know I’ll take flack for that comment. He was the D2 POY last year with zero offers so I’m not completely crazy. Half his points come from leaking out on defense when the shot goes up and receiving a baseball pass from a teammate. Now, I’m not faulting him, his coach, or the team. If nobody is going to take it away keep ringing that bell. He did hit a couple of threes when open and he pinned a couple of defenders in the post (he won’t get those points in college at his height). He’s a really good high school player, but too short for a 4 or 5 in college and not athletic enough for a 2 or 3. Kinda like Tim Tebow and the NFL. Both are 2-star recruits. Some valid points but what is wrong with being a good high school player and not going to college? Being D POY has not college offer attached. I would disagree about him being unimpressive. I would say he can score a quiet 30 a game. What is impressive is the way he does it, basket cuts, guard post ups, transition, hitting open threes and strong drives to the rim. The kid just manufactures points. Many colleges can use that guy. IMO
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Post by dude on Mar 12, 2021 9:02:52 GMT -5
I agree fan. I said to myself last night — “he’s a cherry picker “. His teammates kinda make him what he is. To just look at him, not impressive physically. But he finishes around the basket really well. D3-D2 Max. If you know what Findlay has built their program on, I think he can be a perfect fit their.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Mar 12, 2021 9:31:53 GMT -5
Pugh has 4-5 D2 verbals. Mangas has nothing. It doesn’t surprise me. My son and I were talking and he is the most unimpressive 30 point average kid we’ve seen. I know I’ll take flack for that comment. He was the D2 POY last year with zero offers so I’m not completely crazy. Half his points come from leaking out on defense when the shot goes up and receiving a baseball pass from a teammate. Now, I’m not faulting him, his coach, or the team. If nobody is going to take it away keep ringing that bell. He did hit a couple of threes when open and he pinned a couple of defenders in the post (he won’t get those points in college at his height). He’s a really good high school player, but too short for a 4 or 5 in college and not athletic enough for a 2 or 3. Kinda like Tim Tebow and the NFL. Both are 2-star recruits. Some valid points but what is wrong with being a good high school player and not going to college? Being D POY has not college offer attached. I would disagree about him being unimpressive. I would say he can score a quiet 30 a game. What is impressive is the way he does it, basket cuts, guard post ups, transition, hitting open threes and strong drives to the rim. The kid just manufactures points. Many colleges can use that guy. IMO I don't think there is anything wrong if he doesn't pursue the next level. I agree with the sentiments of the others though - absent of bona-fide collegiate talent, it takes a very competent basketball mind to score 2000 points. Mangus is just that. He has great positioning and is consistently making defenses panic to make sure they are covering him (I caught myself panicking when we weren't in an good set-up to double-team him in the post). That being said, I do not think there are many who left the gym last night without recognizing that Pugh has more talent overall. And, quite frankly, 99% of us would prefer the lesser player if it meant watching the team basketball that Shawnee played. That is no knock to Shelby - Shawnee is top-class.
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Post by dude on Mar 12, 2021 10:37:00 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything wrong if he doesn't pursue the next level. I agree with the sentiments of the others though - absent of bona-fide collegiate talent, it takes a very competent basketball mind to score 2000 points. Mangus is just that. He has great positioning and is consistently making defenses panic to make sure they are covering him (I caught myself panicking when we weren't in an good set-up to double-team him in the post). That being said, I do not think there are many who left the gym last night without recognizing that Pugh has more talent overall. And, quite frankly, 99% of us would prefer the lesser player if it meant watching the team basketball that Shawnee played. That is no knock to Shelby - Shawnee is top-class. The fact that Findlay gave him an offer tells me he can play at a lot of places IF he would want to. I've seen both of them play multiple times of the last couple years. Both could be a part of good D2 college programs if that's what they want.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 12, 2021 12:48:52 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with being a great high school player. I’m not knocking him at all.
Half of his points were cherry picking. That means the other half he produced on his own with the skills Dude cited. I agree he knocked down a couple of threes. They weren’t contested or as a result of a good move. They were feet set, relatively open threes. He did make some nice post moves which was fun to watch as that’s a disappearing art. I’m not sure he’ll get those at the next level. He’s undersized for a 4 or 5. He didn’t seem too quick which means the dribble drive isn’t going to be his strength at the next level as quickness increases in college and that may also make him a defensive liability. I could see him contributing at a D3 school.
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Post by dude on Mar 12, 2021 13:23:46 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with being a great high school player. I’m not knocking him at all. Half of his points were cherry picking. That means the other half he produced on his own with the skills Dude cited. I agree he knocked down a couple of threes. They weren’t contested or as a result of a good move. They were feet set, relatively open threes. He did make some nice post moves which was fun to watch as that’s a disappearing art. I’m not sure he’ll get those at the next level. He’s undersized for a 4 or 5. He didn’t seem too quick which means the dribble drive isn’t going to be his strength at the next level as quickness increases in college and that may also make him a defensive liability. I could see him contributing at a D3 school. The term "cherry picking" shows your age. Today it is called "leaking out in transition". HA HA HA Let's not reduce his stats. The kid finished with 39 points and scored 5 from the line, had 2 threes, another 2 jumpers from maybe 8-12 feet, I remember at least 3 hi-lo entry scores, 2 or 3 drives and a couple easy put backs or loose balls that he came up with. I would agree he had 10-12 points "cherry picking" during a change of possession. But when Lantz or Pugh did it was a reason to cheer. Bottom line for me is that it was a great game to watch and both teams had chances to win. I don't see anything wrong with the Shawnee kid's game or Pugh's. Both could have solid college careers if they choose wisely.
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Post by Ohio Nut on Mar 12, 2021 13:38:35 GMT -5
was a good game to watch and I'd rather see that game then a team who goes out and recruits its players like the akron teams do
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 12, 2021 15:27:10 GMT -5
Mangas and Pugh Both very good , colleges? Pugh has 4-5 D2 verbals. Mangas has nothing. It doesn’t surprise me. My son and I were talking and he is the most unimpressive 30 point average kid we’ve seen. I know I’ll take flack for that comment. He was the D2 POY last year with zero offers so I’m not completely crazy. Half his points come from leaking out on defense when the shot goes up and receiving a baseball pass from a teammate. Now, I’m not faulting him, his coach, or the team. If nobody is going to take it away keep ringing that bell. He did hit a couple of threes when open and he pinned a couple of defenders in the post (he won’t get those points in college at his height). He’s a really good high school player, but too short for a 4 or 5 in college and not athletic enough for a 2 or 3. Kinda like Tim Tebow and the NFL. "Pugh has 4-5 verbals". Illegal and impossible for any athlete. Can have multiple offers, but only allowed to "verbal" to ONE college at a time.
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