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Post by shelbyrr11 on Nov 2, 2021 18:17:25 GMT -5
I want to be invited to a Thanksgiving in Vanlue so I can see what 10% of the town thinks of the BVC at the 30 person gathering.
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Post by maddiev on Nov 2, 2021 22:04:23 GMT -5
Seriously going to get rid of Tiffin Bellevue battle? It's 45-44 rivalry..
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Nov 3, 2021 6:10:55 GMT -5
Seriously going to get rid of Tiffin Bellevue battle? It's 45-44 rivalry.. What makes you think it's going away?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 6:48:32 GMT -5
Seriously going to get rid of Tiffin Bellevue battle? It's 45-44 rivalry.. from what I gather, Tiffin is the one trying to make this into a big rivalry game. I'd say Clyde and Bellevue is the bigger rivalry type game. However, there is two guaranteed crossover games, so who knows how that will work out. I'd say its not completely off the table that they aren't going to play
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Nov 3, 2021 8:15:25 GMT -5
However, there is two guaranteed crossover games, so who knows how that will work out. They did the division lineups strictly by enrollment, so I would guess there's a pretty decent chance that the 2 mandatory crossover matchups will be based strictly on enrollment as well. Here's an attempt at figuring that out... The first set of crossover matchups is easy to figure, 1v1, 2v2 and so on:L1 vs B1 - Sandusky-Bellevue L2 vs B2 - Columbian-Vermilion L3 vs B3 - Norwalk-Port Clinton L4 vs B4 - Clyde-Huron L5 vs B5 - Perkins-Edison But then where to go from there? Shifting the the matchups up or down a slot causes a 1v5 matchup. In this one the 1v5 is not bad, but B2 has to play L1 and L2: L1 vs B2 - Sandusky-Vermilion L2 vs B3 - Columbian-Port Clinton L3 vs B4 - Norwalk-Huron L4 vs B5 - Clyde-Edison L5 vs B1 - Perkins-Bellevue In this version B1 plays L1 and L2, but now you have the largest playing the smallest (L1 vs B5):L1 vs B5 - Sandusky-Edison L2 vs B1 - Columbian-Bellevue L3 vs B2 - Norwalk-Vermilion L4 vs B3 - Clyde-Port Clinton L5 vs B4 - Perkins-Huron So here's the option I like best:L1 vs B2 - Sandusky-Vermilion L2 vs B1 - Columbian-Bellevue - L3 vs B4 - Norwalk-Huron L4 vs B5 - Clyde-Edison L5 vs B3 - Perkins-Port Clinton ^ with this one you lock in 1v2 and 2v1 at the top, then do a shift for 3-5 at the bottom in B5's favor. This ensures that the largest 2 Bay schools play the 2 largest Lake schools and that the smallest Bay school plays the 2 smallest Lake schools. Only disadvantage is that B4 has to play up 1 spot while B3 gets to play down 2 spots, but something has to give somewhere. You can't have biggest 2 vs biggest 2 and smallest 2 vs smallest 2 because that would mean 3 vs 3 would have no one to play for a 2nd game unless they played each other twice.
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Post by Keith on Nov 3, 2021 9:31:08 GMT -5
Seriously going to get rid of Tiffin Bellevue battle? It's 45-44 rivalry.. from what I gather, Tiffin is the one trying to make this into a big rivalry game. I'd say Clyde and Bellevue is the bigger rivalry type game. However, there is two guaranteed crossover games, so who knows how that will work out. I'd say its not completely off the table that they aren't going to play You can't "make" a game into a rivalry game. The team is either your rival or it isn't. That said, many teams have more than one big rival.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 10:38:29 GMT -5
from what I gather, Tiffin is the one trying to make this into a big rivalry game. I'd say Clyde and Bellevue is the bigger rivalry type game. However, there is two guaranteed crossover games, so who knows how that will work out. I'd say its not completely off the table that they aren't going to play You can't "make" a game into a rivalry game. The team is either your rival or it isn't. That said, many teams have more than one big rival. correct, and I am saying to my knowledge, those at Bellevue do not necessarily think of Tiffin as a rival the way Tiffin thinks of Bellevue. I know Lutz has tried to use the Urban Meyer B Team type stuff to generate a buzz with it. However, I'd argue Tiffin and Clyde is becoming a nice rivalry with some chippiness to it as well.
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Post by sbclives on Nov 16, 2021 14:23:57 GMT -5
Are the enrollment numbers being adjusted in the spring?
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Post by sportsvideo on Nov 16, 2021 14:46:59 GMT -5
here is where this can get screwy .. enrollments will change yearly.. but we will review them every two years? so lets say someone from the bay becomes bigger than someone in the lake? do they swap the following two years? and someone in the bay becomes smaller than someone in the river. do they swap for two years?
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Post by sbclives on Nov 16, 2021 15:01:10 GMT -5
here is where this can get screwy .. enrollments will change yearly.. but we will review them every two years? so lets say someone from the bay becomes bigger than someone in the lake? do they swap the following two years? and someone in the bay becomes smaller than someone in the river. do they swap for two years? I was looking at the ODE numbers for schools as of right now and if they are accurate then Huron should be Div. 5 in football come next year. Like you said if they become smaller then Willard are they going to send Willard up to the Bay? Or let’s say they both became smaller then Lakota. You really going to send Lakota up to the Bay? I really think that Huron and Edison need to go their own way with Willard and Margaretta and get 4 other schools on board. Let the 8 remaining Bay and Lake schools be a league on their own.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 16, 2021 15:51:28 GMT -5
here is where this can get screwy .. enrollments will change yearly.. but we will review them every two years? so lets say someone from the bay becomes bigger than someone in the lake? do they swap the following two years? and someone in the bay becomes smaller than someone in the river. do they swap for two years? OHSAA numbers only change every two years.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 16, 2021 15:54:29 GMT -5
here is where this can get screwy .. enrollments will change yearly.. but we will review them every two years? so lets say someone from the bay becomes bigger than someone in the lake? do they swap the following two years? and someone in the bay becomes smaller than someone in the river. do they swap for two years? I was looking at the ODE numbers for schools as of right now and if they are accurate then Huron should be Div. 5 in football come next year. Like you said if they become smaller then Willard are they going to send Willard up to the Bay? Or let’s say they both became smaller then Lakota. You really going to send Lakota up to the Bay? I really think that Huron and Edison need to go their own way with Willard and Margaretta and get 4 other schools on board. Let the 8 remaining Bay and Lake schools be a league on their own. That may be accurate but OHSAA uses enrollment from grades 09-11 from fall of 2021 for enrollment for sports during fall 22 through spring 24 (two school years).
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Post by sbclives on Nov 16, 2021 16:40:00 GMT -5
I was looking at the ODE numbers for schools as of right now and if they are accurate then Huron should be Div. 5 in football come next year. Like you said if they become smaller then Willard are they going to send Willard up to the Bay? Or let’s say they both became smaller then Lakota. You really going to send Lakota up to the Bay? I really think that Huron and Edison need to go their own way with Willard and Margaretta and get 4 other schools on board. Let the 8 remaining Bay and Lake schools be a league on their own. That may be accurate but OHSAA uses enrollment from grades 09-11 from fall of 2021 for enrollment for sports during fall 22 through spring 24 (two school years). I know they don’t count current seniors towards the new enrollment numbers. I know the ODE has Hurons biggest class being the current seniors so if the numbers are correct for the other 3 grades then Huron should fall into Div. 5.
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Post by sportsvideo on Nov 16, 2021 16:41:21 GMT -5
I was looking at the ODE numbers for schools as of right now and if they are accurate then Huron should be Div. 5 in football come next year. Like you said if they become smaller then Willard are they going to send Willard up to the Bay? Or let’s say they both became smaller then Lakota. You really going to send Lakota up to the Bay? I really think that Huron and Edison need to go their own way with Willard and Margaretta and get 4 other schools on board. Let the 8 remaining Bay and Lake schools be a league on their own. That may be accurate but OHSAA uses enrollment from grades 09-11 from fall of 2021 for enrollment for sports during fall 22 through spring 24 (two school years). right but that doesn't answer the real question.. if for example Bellevue numbers increase and clyde decrease would they swap in two years...if huron numbers decrease below willard do they swap in two years... trust me i do not want to play in the river EVER... not when all these teams are in my back yard, but just saying is this how they're going to play it ??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 18:03:25 GMT -5
Yes sportsvideo. Read the article that came out In the register again. Can change every 2 years.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 16, 2021 18:28:49 GMT -5
Yes sportsvideo. Read the article that came out In the register again. Can change every 2 years. Correct but 23-24 and 24-25 are set. They are meeting next fall to use the new numbers for 25-26 and 26-27.
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Post by sbclives on Nov 16, 2021 19:05:00 GMT -5
No way is that going to fly with Willard and Lakota if they were told you’re going to have to play in the Bay and might be staying there depending on enrollments. I think some schools will be making phone calls shortly to end this divisions stuff.
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Post by sportsvideo on Nov 16, 2021 19:24:53 GMT -5
No way is that going to fly with Willard and Lakota if they were told you’re going to have to play in the Bay and might be staying there depending on enrollments. I think some schools will be making phone calls shortly to end this divisions stuff. YEP bingo.. and it is very very likely to happen..
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 16, 2021 19:53:21 GMT -5
Lakota is never moving to the Bay. Ever. Willard and a Bay school like Edison or Huron could theoretically switch enrollment sizes but neither Huron nor Edison want to play in River nor would Willard want to switch to Bay so this isn’t really a concern.
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Post by sbclives on Nov 16, 2021 22:01:59 GMT -5
Lakota is never moving to the Bay. Ever. Willard and a Bay school like Edison or Huron could theoretically switch enrollment sizes but neither Huron nor Edison want to play in River nor would Willard want to switch to Bay so this isn’t really a concern. Rules are rules and it states that each schools enrollment decides where each school will end up. If Hurons enrollment drops below willards then Willard will have to swap spots with Huron. If say Willard and Hurons enrollment got smaller then Lakotas then yes Lakota would have to go to the Bay. Those are the rules.
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Post by sbclives on Nov 17, 2021 3:24:45 GMT -5
No way is that going to fly with Willard and Lakota if they were told you’re going to have to play in the Bay and might be staying there depending on enrollments. I think some schools will be making phone calls shortly to end this divisions stuff. YEP bingo.. and it is very very likely to happen.. Could you imagine the crossover games for Willard or Lakota. Having to play Clyde, Bellevue, Sandusky or Perkins would be good games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 7:51:08 GMT -5
No way is that going to fly with Willard and Lakota if they were told you’re going to have to play in the Bay and might be staying there depending on enrollments. I think some schools will be making phone calls shortly to end this divisions stuff. What if Lakota and Willard never have to move to the Bay? Then your point is moot. It looks like enrollment wise that will be the case. Honestly, if Huron left the league would continue on without them and be just fine. Where would these schools go anyway? The Lorain County League is solid and doesn't want them. So where are they going to go? If this is also the case of schools looking to bail, better change your name to sbcfolds as the league would cease to live
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 17, 2021 9:09:11 GMT -5
Lakota is never moving to the Bay. Ever. Willard and a Bay school like Edison or Huron could theoretically switch enrollment sizes but neither Huron nor Edison want to play in River nor would Willard want to switch to Bay so this isn’t really a concern. Rules are rules and it states that each schools enrollment decides where each school will end up. If Hurons enrollment drops below willards then Willard will have to swap spots with Huron. If say Willard and Hurons enrollment got smaller then Lakotas then yes Lakota would have to go to the Bay. Those are the rules. I am sure there is actually a process in place to appeal any moves. Believe it happened with Vermilion a couple years ago so on the surface it appears cut and dry but there is built-in fluidity because this conference has to be flexible to make it work.
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Post by sbclives on Nov 17, 2021 11:17:05 GMT -5
No way is that going to fly with Willard and Lakota if they were told you’re going to have to play in the Bay and might be staying there depending on enrollments. I think some schools will be making phone calls shortly to end this divisions stuff. What if Lakota and Willard never have to move to the Bay? Then your point is moot. It looks like enrollment wise that will be the case. Honestly, if Huron left the league would continue on without them and be just fine. Where would these schools go anyway? The Lorain County League is solid and doesn't want them. So where are they going to go? If this is also the case of schools looking to bail, better change your name to sbcfolds as the league would cease to live I don’t want to see the SBC fold or for Huron to leave. I also don’t want to see Huron in the River. The gates and travel would stink. I’m just stating the bylaws of the league are if your enrollment is smaller then a school in another division then those two would swap. If you’re going to make exceptions for everyone then why even bother with the divisions. Just throw all ten schools in one league and call it a day. Let the River division be a league on their own. Problem solved.
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Post by tonyperkis on Nov 17, 2021 13:05:06 GMT -5
kick sandusky and tiffin's *** out eliminate the bay and make one happy SBC let the river go on their own. all problems solved.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 17, 2021 14:20:55 GMT -5
kick sandusky and tiffin's *** out eliminate the bay and make one happy SBC let the river go on their own. all problems solved. That sounds worse than the old SBC for Huron and Edison.
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Post by sbclives on Nov 17, 2021 14:51:58 GMT -5
kick sandusky and tiffin's *** out eliminate the bay and make one happy SBC let the river go on their own. all problems solved. That sounds worse than the old SBC for Huron and Edison. That would probably be the best option for Huron and Edison. The NLL is still at 11 and needs one more to make it work and Sandusky or Columbian would be good fits. It’s obvious that unless there’s a shakeup in another league that Huron and Edison really have nowhere else to go and obviously the River is not a good option. I know it more then likely won’t happen but the other eight schools together wouldn’t be a bad league. New SBC Bellevue Clyde Edison Huron Norwalk Perkins Port Clinton Vermilion
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 17, 2021 16:03:44 GMT -5
What if Lakota and Willard never have to move to the Bay? Then your point is moot. It looks like enrollment wise that will be the case. Honestly, if Huron left the league would continue on without them and be just fine. Where would these schools go anyway? The Lorain County League is solid and doesn't want them. So where are they going to go? If this is also the case of schools looking to bail, better change your name to sbcfolds as the league would cease to live I don’t want to see the SBC fold or for Huron to leave. I also don’t want to see Huron in the River. The gates and travel would stink. I’m just stating the bylaws of the league are if your enrollment is smaller then a school in another division then those two would swap. If you’re going to make exceptions for everyone then why even bother with the divisions. Just throw all ten schools in one league and call it a day. Let the River division be a league on their own. Problem solved. I know rules are rules, but it would be stupid if Huron had one fewer boy or even several, than a school in the River. Then MADE a school move up and Huron move down when neither wanted to move.
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Post by sbclives on Nov 17, 2021 16:41:26 GMT -5
Then at that point don’t have any rules and just put the Lake and Bay together and have the River do their own thing. Problem solved and those ten teams would only need to find one out of conference game. Either break up this divisions BS or keep them around and have to play by the rules. It’s one or the other.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 17, 2021 19:19:27 GMT -5
Change and outside the box thinking is really hard for some, especially adults. It even makes some angry.
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