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Post by shelbyrr11 on Mar 18, 2022 15:48:57 GMT -5
One day in and already 4-5 upsets, and 3 of them are major. Is this due to a covid year? IS the committee out of touch? Or multiple Cinderella stories? I was cheering for another with Akron. Play-in games are the most noticeable culprit. You wind up with "six" 16 seeds, four of which are squaring off on Tuesday and Wednesday. In previous years, some of those other six 16s would have been 15s, and the ripple effect goes from there. A 15 seed today may have been a 14 seed 10+ years ago. The transfer portal being what it is certainly cannot hurt. Providence has eight main players in their rotation. Two years ago, only two of them were Friars. The rest were at Indiana, South Carolina, North Florida, St. Joe's, La Salle, etc... Probably my most far-flung theory is the internet being what it is. A high school hooper can YouTube/TikTok his way into a litany of training programs, whether for skills or physical strength.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 18, 2022 18:28:57 GMT -5
Many of those 16 seeds would be in the NIT if there were just 64 total teams
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 18, 2022 20:44:40 GMT -5
Many of those 16 seeds would be in the NIT if there were just 64 total teams All 6 of them are automatic qualifiers. Everyone seeded 13-16 was an automatic qualifier. The extra 4 teams who would have been in the NIT are the ones who played each other in the 11 vs 11 and 12 vs 12 games in Dayton. The four 16 seeds who played in Dayton would have been the four 16 seeds in a 64 team bracket, while the two 16's who started in the first round would have been 15's.
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Post by browns624 on Mar 20, 2022 19:29:23 GMT -5
Wisconsin lost. Is the Big Ten always a little overrated? Had 9 teams in only have a chance for two teams to make the Sweet 16 and haven’t had a team win a title since 2000. Thoughts?
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 20, 2022 19:44:12 GMT -5
Was just going to post the same thing. Happens every year and then the defense always is “well they just beat up on each other all season long”. Methinks the Big Ten may be a little overrated.
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Post by baldref on Mar 20, 2022 20:06:10 GMT -5
I'll make a general statement and my opinion only -- watching many of these other teams, they are quicker and have better shooters. B1Gteams see. To play slower and more methodical. Just my opinion
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Mar 20, 2022 22:45:56 GMT -5
In the Big East, you must have a good basketball program because there is no football to distract fans. Villanova sets a standard that punishes you for making mistakes. Overall, the 1 and dones don't exist in the league. You win by playing good team ball.
I don't know as much with these other conferences, but the B1G has about as good of an excuse as anybody to be ok with a faltering basketball pedigree come March. My OSU friends have told me how they find the regular season to be meaningless. You won't find many Big East fans who agree with that, but I'm sure you'll find plenty of OSU fans who won't start tuning in until after bowl season.
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Post by browns624 on Mar 24, 2022 20:37:18 GMT -5
Every year it seems everybody says Gonzaga, Gonzaga, Gonzaga. Still no championships to show for it. This is what happens when you play Pepperdine, San Francisco , Portland, Etc twice a year.
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 24, 2022 20:45:10 GMT -5
Every year it seems everybody says Gonzaga, Gonzaga, Gonzaga. Still no championships to show for it. This is what happens when you play Pepperdine, San Francisco , Portland, Etc twice a year. While I don’t disagree necessarily about people picking them each year, their schedule this year did include Texas, Duke, UCLA, Alabama, and Texas Tech. Their conference schedule blows but they did have some legit programs on their non conference.
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 25, 2022 7:04:44 GMT -5
Arkansas removed Gonzaga from future conversation.
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Post by dude on Mar 25, 2022 8:14:22 GMT -5
Every year it seems everybody says Gonzaga, Gonzaga, Gonzaga. Still no championships to show for it. This is what happens when you play Pepperdine, San Francisco , Portland, Etc twice a year. While I don’t disagree necessarily about people picking them each year, their schedule this year did include Texas, Duke, UCLA, Alabama, and Texas Tech. Their conference schedule blows but they did have some legit programs on their non conference. What Gonzaga is showing us is that a team that is regularly considered in the top 5 nationally, who only has to prepare for 4-5 tough games in a 30 game season season, cannot put a 5 game run against good competition.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 25, 2022 8:18:27 GMT -5
Every year it seems everybody says Gonzaga, Gonzaga, Gonzaga. Still no championships to show for it. This is what happens when you play Pepperdine, San Francisco , Portland, Etc twice a year. hey, lay off Pepperdine; beautiful campus in Malibu and a mile from the Ocean, Ha!
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 25, 2022 9:56:00 GMT -5
While I don’t disagree necessarily about people picking them each year, their schedule this year did include Texas, Duke, UCLA, Alabama, and Texas Tech. Their conference schedule blows but they did have some legit programs on their non conference. What Gonzaga is showing us is that a team that is regularly considered in the top 5 nationally, who only has to prepare for 4-5 tough games in a 30 game season season, cannot put a 5 game run against good competition. They did make it to the title game last year so they were able to string those games together last year. And I believe they made the title game a few years ago as well. I read earlier that Gonzaga has made the tournament 23 consecutive years but still no title to show for it. That has to sting a bit.
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Post by dude on Mar 25, 2022 11:04:55 GMT -5
What Gonzaga is showing us is that a team that is regularly considered in the top 5 nationally, who only has to prepare for 4-5 tough games in a 30 game season season, cannot put a 5 game run against good competition. They did make it to the title game last year so they were able to string those games together last year. And I believe they made the title game a few years ago as well. I read earlier that Gonzaga has made the tournament 23 consecutive years but still no title to show for it. That has to sting a bit. Since they played the 2021 tournament with games against Norfolk St and Creighton, I would say they did not have a run of 5 tough games, but I get your point. A few years ago they beat a Cinderella team from Xavier late in the bracket to advance. Mark Few's worst season with the Bulldogs was 23-11. 11 of those wins were conference and he also went 3-3 against top 25 team that season.
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 25, 2022 11:54:14 GMT -5
I don’t think we can really fault a team for who they beat in the tournament, they just play who the committee puts in front of them. If Purdue goes on to win the title this year, that means they would have beaten Cinderella St. Peter’s tonight, it’d not Purdue’s fault they made it this far.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Mar 25, 2022 12:17:11 GMT -5
I find it funny when there is criticism for the lack of competition a #1 seed gets as they progress through the tournament. Isn't that the point of wanting a #1? I've rooted for an #11, #10, #8, etc. many times and I personally find it more enjoyable to start out with South Dakota State in the first round instead of UNC, USC, Texas A&M, etc... Just my take.
I think Gonzaga can receive a lot of grief for not being able to put it together, but Kansas is one 3 pointer away from having zero titles during a 31 year consecutive stretch of making the tournament. That includes being a #1 seed 13 times and being no worse than a #4 seed since the turn of the century. If Mario Chalmers misses that shot, we are looking at a team with even fewer excuses than Gonzaga. They have the historical prestige, they have the recruits, they have the yearlong non-con and conference quality opponents.
I am in no way sure if I am hard-core jinxing my Friars with all this.
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Post by dude on Mar 25, 2022 12:33:50 GMT -5
I don’t think we can really fault a team for who they beat in the tournament, they just play who the committee puts in front of them. If Purdue goes on to win the title this year, that means they would have beaten Cinderella St. Peter’s tonight, it’d not Purdue’s fault they made it this far. I wasn't trying to fault anyone for who they play in the Big Dance. Just some games are much tougher than others and putting together 5 games in the tournament can be easier for some and harder for others depending on who the committee puts in their region. Every year we hear the educated analysts comment on who has the easiest path to the Final Four so this is nothing new. If Purdue can win tonight they will make the Elite 8 and be very happy. But if you ask Painter if he would rather play St Pete's or Kentucky, I'm pretty confident who he would answer with.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Mar 25, 2022 13:32:03 GMT -5
Speaking of easy paths...
Let's say Providence beats Kansas tonight. They'll be matched up with their third double digit seed in this tournament. Probably one of the more gleefully easy paths to a final four berth that I can think of...but that shirt I would buy would still say Final Four. And that shirt Uconn fans get to buy still says Regular Season 3rd Place. I'm a fan of that outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 18:54:49 GMT -5
I was hoping 15 St. Peter would beat 3 Purdue, Until I see they're wearing their Racist T shirts too, Like Iowa, No thanks. Go Purdue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 19:00:51 GMT -5
I was hoping 15 St. Peter would beat 3 Purdue, Until I see they're wearing their Racist T shirts too, Like Iowa, No thanks. Go Purdue. If you think a shirt that has the word racism crossed out is racist, then you’re a racist. But we already knew that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 19:26:22 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the back of the shirt. I just don't think there should be a political statement being displayed in the NCAA, Like the NBA allows. Unless true equality is displayed by letting all races wear their favorite shirts.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 25, 2022 20:19:44 GMT -5
I was hoping 15 St. Peter would beat 3 Purdue, Until I see they're wearing their Racist T shirts too, Like Iowa, No thanks. Go Purdue. If you think a shirt that has the word racism crossed out is racist, then you’re a racist. But we already knew that SO, what is the shirt trying to say? That racism exists?? DUH!!!
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Post by browns624 on Mar 25, 2022 20:33:01 GMT -5
I don’t get worked up about T-shirts. Peacocks unreal story ! Dancing to the elite 8
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 20:47:03 GMT -5
If you think a shirt that has the word racism crossed out is racist, then you’re a racist. But we already knew that SO, what is the shirt trying to say? That racism exists?? DUH!!! hey old guy, nobody says duh anymore
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 25, 2022 20:51:56 GMT -5
B1G coming up little again.
New name should be L1G
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 25, 2022 21:27:51 GMT -5
Number of double digit seed wins in the Sweet 16:
16 - 0 15 - 1 (2022 St. Peters) 14 - 0 13 - 0 12 - 2 (2002 Missouri and 2021 Oregon State) 11 - 9 10 - 9 (edit to include Miami's win after this post)
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Post by jmorgret07 on Mar 25, 2022 22:52:31 GMT -5
We are one win by Duke and one win by North Carolina away from seeing Duke vs. North Carolina in the tournament. If it happens, it only seems fitting since this is it for Mike Krzyzewski at Duke, right?
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Post by sbclives on Mar 25, 2022 23:36:47 GMT -5
I was hoping 15 St. Peter would beat 3 Purdue, Until I see they're wearing their Racist T shirts too, Like Iowa, No thanks. Go Purdue. But you’re a racist so that should be your team to root for.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 26, 2022 6:37:38 GMT -5
SO, what is the shirt trying to say? That racism exists?? DUH!!! hey old guy, nobody says duh anymore Allow me to educate our dim witted myopic teenie once again. According to English Stack Exchange, "duh" first appeared in the 1800s and became popular in the 1960s when it was realized there was no known comeback. As was proven by this misplaced quip. To this day it is a common retort on the likes of Snapchat, WhatsApp, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Tik Tok. Websters says it will be included in their next printing...finally...so it is not becoming archaic just yet. Would me saying Null!!! have pleased your sensitive senses more?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 7:12:03 GMT -5
hey old guy, nobody says duh anymore Allow me to educate our dim witted myopic teenie once again. According to English Stack Exchange, "duh" first appeared in the 1800s and became popular in the 1960s when it was realized there was no known comeback. As was proven by this misplaced quip. To this day it is a common retort on the likes of Snapchat, WhatsApp, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Tik Tok. Websters says it will be included in their next printing...finally...so it is not becoming archaic just yet. Would me saying Null!!! have pleased your sensitive senses more? Rent free
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