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Post by dude on Dec 11, 2022 14:03:16 GMT -5
The are has seen some running clocks to start this season. Ontario doing it in the third quarter to Clear Fork and it never turned off. |
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Post by mrsteel on Dec 11, 2022 15:54:52 GMT -5
The are has seen some running clocks to start this season. Ontario doing it in the third quarter to Clear Fork and it never turned off. when’s the last time you saw a free throw as time expired? |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 11, 2022 19:11:30 GMT -5
I didn't think the foul shooter would get the 2nd one off, he rushed it a little and drained both. Kid is gonna be a good player, very sound PG for a Freshman.
ALSO, when was the last time you saw a head coach jump out of his chair, hustle behind the scorers table to get the ball thrown out of bounds, then hurriedly toss it to an official, so his back ups could get as many seconds as possible with the running clock.
Makes sense for a coach to try to keep the score differential around 30, so he can get as many minutes possible for his back ups.
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 11, 2022 19:58:12 GMT -5
I didn't think the foul shooter would get the 2nd one off, he rushed it a little and drained both. Kid is gonna be a good player, very sound PG for a Freshman. ALSO, when was the last time you saw a head coach jump out of his chair, hustle behind the scorers table to get the ball thrown out of bounds, then hurriedly toss it to an official, so his back ups could get as many seconds as possible with the running clock. Makes sense for a coach to try to keep the score differential around 30, so he can get as many minutes possible for his back ups. Point shaving not for Vegas, but to avoid the running clock. That’s a balancing act 😂😂😂. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 11, 2022 20:11:54 GMT -5
River Valley 53 Pleasant 46 Now THAT score IS surprising |
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Post by dude on Dec 12, 2022 11:28:54 GMT -5
I didn't think the foul shooter would get the 2nd one off, he rushed it a little and drained both. Kid is gonna be a good player, very sound PG for a Freshman. ALSO, when was the last time you saw a head coach jump out of his chair, hustle behind the scorers table to get the ball thrown out of bounds, then hurriedly toss it to an official, so his back ups could get as many seconds as possible with the running clock. Makes sense for a coach to try to keep the score differential around 30, so he can get as many minutes possible for his back ups. Point shaving not for Vegas, but to avoid the running clock. That’s a balancing act 😂😂😂.   point shaving. It did not appear that either coach was interested in keeping this game close. |
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Post by 419bossman on Dec 12, 2022 15:02:44 GMT -5
Games for the Week of 12/12-12/17
Tuesday December 13th
Black River at Clear Fork
Galion at Lucas
Pleasant at North Union
Buckeye Valley at River Valley
Willard at Shelby
Friday December 16th
Pleasant at Clear Fork
Ontario at Galion
Shelby at Highland
Harding at River Valley
Saturday December 17th
Ontario at Norwalk
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Post by GHS 1999 on Dec 13, 2022 21:33:14 GMT -5
Clear Fork 64 Black River 44
Lucas 79 Galion 54
Shelby 80 Willard 72
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Post by whippetfan on Dec 13, 2022 23:52:03 GMT -5
Shelby with a good win tonight over Willard. Close game at the half but the Whippets stretched it out in the third and had a 19 point lead with 5:30 left before Willard made a furious comeback. Lots of lazy passes, some solid hustle defense and a three point barrage got it down to six with under a minute to go. Dawson was on fire and finished with 40 on eight from long distance. Shelby with good balance as they had four in double figures. I hand it to Willard though. They never gave up and played with basically five kids all night. A couple JV kids got a few minutes but most of those boys went all 32 minutes.
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Post by dude on Dec 16, 2022 11:53:33 GMT -5
Have to think Willard will begin to drop as the legs of their 5 players get tired. 30 minutes a night gets old during a 22 game season.
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Post by moacpops on Dec 16, 2022 21:59:27 GMT -5
Ontario 78
Galion 55
River Valley 61
Marion Harding 58
Shelby 93
Highland 63
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 17, 2022 10:10:34 GMT -5
Galion has improved. Unlike the past several years, they are competitive over the entirety of a game or a good portion of a game. They have a very good player in Kent and a decent supporting cast. They've had good players in the past, but not much to go with them. Their JV team is solid with a good post player. I think they win the game against Ontario if they'd made an effort to get him the ball more. My guess is he's 6-6, Ontario didn't have anyone over 6-2
Ontario's varsity can create match up problems for some teams. They in essence play 9 guards, which is not unusual these days. What is unusual is that 4 of them are 6-5, 6-4, 6-4 and 6-3. One of those 6-4 players was on Kent most of the game making it difficult for him to get off his deadly 3-point shot. Giving him credit, he put the ball on the floor more than he's had to and went to the basket for his points. In this case giving up 2 instead of 3 was better and it takes a lot more energy. I got a kick out of the Galion coach. Every time one of his players drove to the basket he'd jump up and yell "and one" over and over. It didn't matter if there was a foul or if a basket was made or not.
One thing Ontario does, that I've thought should be done more often in high school. They bring their leading scorer and best 3-point shooter off the bench. If any of the starters gets a quick 2 fouls or is having a bad early game he comes in, usually within the first few minutes of the 1st quarter, then plays just as many minutes or more than anyone. I've always felt it does NOT matter who the starters are, the 5 that are producing in a given game will get the most minutes. However, most mommies and daddies don't see it that way.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 17, 2022 22:39:06 GMT -5
Ontario 75, Norwalk 53 up at Norwalk
4 Warriors in double figures, 2 others with 7 and 8. All 9 players in their rotation scored, led by Braxton Miller with 20
Ontario made 27 of 56 shots, 11 were 3-pointers made by 5 players.
Two good wins on back to back nights on the road. Must have something to do with coaching, as this young team has not had a great deal of success at lower levels, but the schedule gets tougher in the next 4 weeks.
A Steve Gray team would not give up 75, can't imagine the last time it happened.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 17, 2022 22:47:03 GMT -5
Ontario 78 Galion 55 River Valley 61 Marion Harding 58 Shelby 93 Highland 63 Pleasant 54 Clear Fork 49 Up Date |
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Post by 419bossman on Dec 18, 2022 18:44:58 GMT -5
Games for the Week of 12/19-12/23
Tuesday December 20th
Clear Fork at Harding
Galion at Highland
Ontario at Pleasant
River Valley at Shelby
Thursday December 22nd
Galion at Mt. Gilead
Danville vs. Highland at MVNU
Harding at Big Walnut
Linsly(WV.) vs. Shelby at MVNU
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Post by buckeye33 on Dec 19, 2022 0:35:58 GMT -5
Ontario 75, Norwalk 53 up at Norwalk 4 Warriors in double figures, 2 others with 7 and 8. All 9 players in their rotation scored, led by Braxton Miller with 20 Ontario made 27 of 56 shots, 11 were 3-pointers made by 5 players. Two good wins on back to back nights on the road. Must have something to do with coaching, as this young team has not had a great deal of success at lower levels, but the schedule gets tougher in the next 4 weeks. A Steve Gray team would not give up 75, can't imagine the last time it happened. last year they gave up 75 to Ashland |
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Post by dude on Dec 19, 2022 7:02:02 GMT -5
Ontario 75, Norwalk 53 up at Norwalk 4 Warriors in double figures, 2 others with 7 and 8. All 9 players in their rotation scored, led by Braxton Miller with 20 Ontario made 27 of 56 shots, 11 were 3-pointers made by 5 players. Two good wins on back to back nights on the road. Must have something to do with coaching, as this young team has not had a great deal of success at lower levels, but the schedule gets tougher in the next 4 weeks. A Steve Gray team would not give up 75, can't imagine the last time it happened. last year they gave up 75 to Ashland They did the year before that as well. |
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Post by buckeye33 on Dec 19, 2022 9:24:20 GMT -5
Galion has improved. Unlike the past several years, they are competitive over the entirety of a game or a good portion of a game. They have a very good player in Kent and a decent supporting cast. They've had good players in the past, but not much to go with them. Their JV team is solid with a good post player. I think they win the game against Ontario if they'd made an effort to get him the ball more. My guess is he's 6-6, Ontario didn't have anyone over 6-2 Ontario's varsity can create match up problems for some teams. They in essence play 9 guards, which is not unusual these days. What is unusual is that 4 of them are 6-5, 6-4, 6-4 and 6-3. One of those 6-4 players was on Kent most of the game making it difficult for him to get off his deadly 3-point shot. Giving him credit, he put the ball on the floor more than he's had to and went to the basket for his points. In this case giving up 2 instead of 3 was better and it takes a lot more energy. I got a kick out of the Galion coach. Every time one of his players drove to the basket he'd jump up and yell "and one" over and over. It didn't matter if there was a foul or if a basket was made or not. One thing Ontario does, that I've thought should be done more often in high school. They bring their leading scorer and best 3-point shooter off the bench. If any of the starters gets a quick 2 fouls or is having a bad early game he comes in, usually within the first few minutes of the 1st quarter, then plays just as many minutes or more than anyone. I've always felt it does NOT matter who the starters are, the 5 that are producing in a given game will get the most minutes. However, most mommies and daddies don't see it that way. Galion has lost by 15, 57, 15, 23… |
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Post by dude on Dec 19, 2022 9:50:35 GMT -5
One thing Ontario does, that I've thought should be done more often in high school. They bring their leading scorer and best 3-point shooter off the bench. If any of the starters gets a quick 2 fouls or is having a bad early game he comes in, usually within the first few minutes of the 1st quarter, then plays just as many minutes or more than anyone. I've always felt it does NOT matter who the starters are, the 5 that are producing in a given game will get the most minutes. However, most mommies and daddies don't see it that way. Galion has lost by 15, 57, 15, 23… Someone needs to tell Galion's Coach Stover, Shelby's Coach Gallaway and RV's Coach Brown the Kent, Bruskotter and Smith need to be coming off the bench when a kid gets 2 fouls so they can be a better team. |
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Post by dude on Dec 19, 2022 9:52:09 GMT -5
Galion has lost by 15, 57, 15, 23… Who beat Galion by 57? |
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Post by winonesoon on Dec 19, 2022 10:35:07 GMT -5
Shelby Beat Galion 78 -31 last Saturday At Galion.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 19, 2022 10:44:14 GMT -5
Galion has lost by 15, 57, 15, 23… Someone needs to tell Galion's Coach Stover, Shelby's Coach Gallaway and RV's Coach Brown the Kent, Bruskotter and Smith need to be coming off the bench when a kid gets 2 fouls so they can be a better team. Someone needs to tell dude that those players are BY FAR the best players on those teams. AND not to put down players. In the above case, there are no stars, just 5 players who could lead the team in scoring on any given night. SO why not have the most versatile of the 5 be the 6th man. Who can come off the bench for any of the 5 who start the game and add an offensive spark with his 3-point shooting?? THINK about it! |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Dec 19, 2022 15:11:56 GMT -5
It's a good way to artificially generate "shifts" with mismatches.
The easy example are the Spurs with Ginobili, but my Providence did something similar with their Big East 6th Man of the Year who averaged close to 30 minutes per game. He wasn't a clear cut best player, but he could have started just as easily as anyone. Something about him coming off the bench created a spark though.
I'm not one to be able to get deep in the head space of a coach and his lineups, but I imagine there are many teams who could benefit from a unique rhythm as far as subbing goes.
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Post by dude on Dec 19, 2022 22:56:01 GMT -5
It's a good way to artificially generate "shifts" with mismatches. The easy example are the Spurs with Ginobili, but my Providence did something similar with their Big East 6th Man of the Year who averaged close to 30 minutes per game. He wasn't a clear cut best player, but he could have started just as easily as anyone. Something about him coming off the bench created a spark though. I'm not one to be able to get deep in the head space of a coach and his lineups, but I imagine there are many teams who could benefit from a unique rhythm as far as subbing goes. Some times we can find teams who have 6 players capable of being starters but to imply that it is best for teams to have one of their better players come off the bench, shows what someone does not know. There is not a local HS team that should be compared to the Spurs. Most HS teams have 3-4 good players and then after that it's filling a position. I would bet that in most cases if a kid is coming off the bench, it's because in some way during practice the other 5 have won the starting spots. Sometimes starters can change based on matchups. |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Dec 20, 2022 7:54:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't call the strategy something to base an entire annual system on. The vast majority of teams will be designed and succeed in the traditional manner, but does that mean there is something left on the table as far as maximizing matchups? For some teams, maybe. Social pressures will dissuade the attempts in some instances where we could have known. There has been research that suggests a hockey team should pull their goalie with 11 minutes left if they are down by 2, but who's going to try to explain that decision to the media afterwards? We already have issues digesting two point conversions.
I view it as a niche area of sports that have the "could we be questioning this" angle to it. It isn't as rich with promise as baseball's "why are we even bunting" or Jeopardy's "I'm going to take the $1000 answers first", but I think there is more than nothing to it. It certainly has more weight than my theory about forcing football players to wear long-sleeves in cold weather, which is my Costanzanian project.
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Post by dude on Dec 20, 2022 8:32:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't call the strategy something to base an entire annual system on. The vast majority of teams will be designed and succeed in the traditional manner, but does that mean there is something left on the table as far as maximizing matchups? For some teams, maybe. Social pressures will dissuade the attempts in some instances where we could have known. There has been research that suggests a hockey team should pull their goalie with 11 minutes left if they are down by 2, but who's going to try to explain that decision to the media afterwards? We already have issues digesting two point conversions. I view it as a niche area of sports that have the "could we be questioning this" angle to it. It isn't as rich with promise as baseball's "why are we even bunting" or Jeopardy's "I'm going to take the $1000 answers first", but I think there is more than nothing to it. It certainly has more weight than my theory about forcing football players to wear long-sleeves in cold weather, which is my Costanzanian project. Coaching adjustments during the game is something completely different then going into the game. Have you ever heard of a team keeping there goalie on the bench to start the game so they can get the lead? |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 20, 2022 11:11:56 GMT -5
"Goalie"?? Now we're comparing hockey to basketball?
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Post by richrod on Dec 20, 2022 17:56:41 GMT -5
Shelby Beat Galion 78 -31 last Saturday At Galion. Galion has been in dire straights in boys bball for a few years now it seems. Makes you feel like it will take a herculean effort to get it going. Or going back to being the big school in a small school league |
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Post by moacpops on Dec 20, 2022 22:26:50 GMT -5
Marion Harding 59
Clear Fork 50
Shelby 70
River Valley 56
Galion 82
Highland 79
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 20, 2022 22:31:09 GMT -5
Ontario 56, Pleasant 45
Galion win was in OT
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