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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 8, 2016 22:13:49 GMT -5
Edison won last year 38-28
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Post by donutshopguy on Oct 9, 2016 9:04:08 GMT -5
Huron will never give up but they just don't have the horses to finish a game. They could have had at least a couple more wins but either the coaching or athletic talents are not available to deal a win. Again, there are as many kids on the soccer team as the football team. This has not happened in the last 20 some years. Sign of the times?
Huron 14 Edison 35
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Post by fanfromafar on Oct 9, 2016 11:13:13 GMT -5
Funny how everyone wants to tip-toe around the situation and not say what the real problem is ......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 11:30:47 GMT -5
I'm not tip toeing, I see the coaching being most of the problem, Not Sam or the few that stayed, But the guys that were added are the ones I don't have confidence in.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 9, 2016 13:56:54 GMT -5
Huron will never give up but they just don't have the horses to finish a game. They could have had at least a couple more wins but either the coaching or athletic talents are not available to deal a win. Again, there are as many kids on the soccer team as the football team. This has not happened in the last 20 some years. Sign of the times? Huron 14 Edison 35 You're saying Huron has fewer than 40 out for football 9th through 12th and there are more than 40 out for soccer 9th through 12th? What's Huron's soccer record? |
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Post by fanfromafar on Oct 9, 2016 16:05:00 GMT -5
Well IMO Huron football is in a downward spiral ----Player numbers are down, H-Team numbers are down, fan turn-out is at an all time low --- could it be that maybe they picked the wrong guy for the coaching job?  I have had dealings with him in the past... Maybe it's finally catching up to him --- karma is a B**** ..... |
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Post by concreteman89 on Oct 9, 2016 18:44:20 GMT -5
Hteam members are down because of the old risheam retiring with Legando and the underclassmen fathers not getting involved for whatever reason. 47 kids on the team and only a very small handful of fathers help out. More has to be done to get fathers involved and I'm not sure who's job that is.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 9, 2016 19:00:58 GMT -5
Did you mean "regime"?
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Post by fanfromafar on Oct 9, 2016 19:26:31 GMT -5
Agreed -- some left when Tony retired but is it safe to say that recruiting should start at the top and work it's way down --- getting people excited/involved about Tiger football ? Think back at how many people were involved this past year with the golf outings, brunch at Sawmill etc... compared to years past. The New guy doesn't have the support Tony did nor probably ever will --- as I stated earlier maybe his past dealings are finally catching up with him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 19:37:34 GMT -5
Welcome concreteman89! Glad you found us, Been missing your thoughts on stuff. Some of these dads have to work from sun up to sun down, along with their wives, so they can afford the big suvs, pick ups, motorcycles, boats and huge houses in this becoming industry depressed area. Don't have time for the kids and they're games anymore, plus they have their own lives to live, why should they inconvenience their lives to volunteer for anything. Well, I don't know Sam personally, but I didn't like a few he chose for his staff, I think these kids are under achieving with them.
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Post by fanfromafar on Oct 9, 2016 22:04:57 GMT -5
Good post Mark ---- lot of agreement there...
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Post by sbc on Oct 10, 2016 8:36:24 GMT -5
You guys have no idea LOL. Sam Hohler and his staff are not the problem. Look at the talent he has to work with. I'm sorry, and I hate putting down high school kids, but it's the players fault they are 2-5. I played for Legando, and had Sam Hohler as a D coordinator, and you won't find a guy on that staff that was more respected by the players than Coach Hohler, hence why he got the job. They have a former All-Ohio QB in Harkelroad calling the plays. I haven't been to enough games to pass judgement on other facets of the game, but I assume Hohler is the one calling the D, as he has been for 10+ years. You look out there and there are very few playmakers, the toughness is lacking, and that's the reason they are 2-5. Obviously the down numbers play a part in this, but I believe that is also on the kids, as they are in the hallways/class every day with the others who chose not to play football. When I was in school, if there was even rumors about a kid not playing football, especially if the kid had talent, the guys would sit him down and pick his brain and assure him that the team needed him. It's just a changing of the guard I suppose. These kids now a days are babied by their parents, not held accountable by their classmates, and it shows when you watch them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 10:47:15 GMT -5
I'm not tip toeing, I see the coaching being most of the problem, Not Sam or the few that stayed, But the guys that were added are the ones I don't have confidence in. Not hip on the Huron football culture? I thought I read on here that one them had slides/flip flops on the a few fridays ago |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 10, 2016 13:30:40 GMT -5
Hteam members are down because of the old risheam retiring with Legando and the underclassmen fathers not getting involved for whatever reason. 47 kids on the team and only a very small handful of fathers help out. More has to be done to get fathers involved and I'm not sure who's job that is. Then, according to donutshopguy, Huron has 47 out for soccer ?? What's the soccer team's record? |
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Post by fanfromafar on Oct 10, 2016 14:42:14 GMT -5
SBC --- your statement "I haven't been to enough games to pass judgement" sums it up. Hohler has been the defensive coordinator for 10+ years and couldn't figure out how to shut down Coldwater --- and trust me we have had the talent to do it. He simply gets the job because he is a teacher in the school district and must be asked before going public. As far as the respect thing do you really think any kid is going to reveal there true feelings about a coach until there out of the program --- it would be suicide if they did. But you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, my opinion is different. His job is to use/figure out the talent that he has and use it to his advantage --- something he's not doing. The games have been close in the first half -- then the wheels fall off, lack of focus, fatigue, poor play calling -- whatever you want to call it -- it's his and his coaching staffs job that needs to figure it out, but ultimately he is in charge..
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Post by runshoot on Oct 10, 2016 22:23:44 GMT -5
SBC --- your statement "I haven't been to enough games to pass judgement" sums it up. Hohler has been the defensive coordinator for 10+ years and couldn't figure out how to shut down Coldwater --- and trust me we have had the talent to do it. He simply gets the job because he is a teacher in the school district and must be asked before going public. As far as the respect thing do you really think any kid is going to reveal there true feelings about a coach until there out of the program --- it would be suicide if they did. But you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, my opinion is different. His job is to use/figure out the talent that he has and use it to his advantage --- something he's not doing. The games have been close in the first half -- then the wheels fall off, lack of focus, fatigue, poor play calling -- whatever you want to call it -- it's his and his coaching staffs job that needs to figure it out, but ultimately he is in charge.. You must've had a son who couldnt make the baseball team, or perhaps it didnt go as you hoped so you're now taking on the bad apple daddy. Listen, Im one of those parents willing to work the food stands help the H team. My kid plays for coach. he loves the guy, he'd do anything he wants. maybe you had a bad experience, or maybe your kid sucked, and you dont want to admit it. but there some athletes coming, they'll turn this around. |
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Post by fanfromafar on Oct 10, 2016 23:28:55 GMT -5
Good for you runshoot --- I applaud you on getting involved, it's a very good thing. The H-Team is a very good organization to be involved with. I did it for years and enjoyed it very much. Nice come back about my kid not making the team --- pretty original ---Who ever said anything about baseball ?? where did that even come from? As soon as someone doesn't drink the kool-aid in Huron and speaks out --- this is how they respond.... I was responding to SBC''s post ---- he is the one making comments about lack of talent which pretty much includes your kid ---- not me ---- I said -- Sam has to use the talent he is given and make it work --- he needs to figure it out --- the games have been close until after the second half --- not a lie --- truth. I also stated everyone is entitled to there opinion and I respect that -- mine is different.. I was just refuting what SBC was posting .... Nice job with the insults about my kid --- total class... Never once did I put the kids down or say they sucked, you have no idea who or what my kid is like... Thanks, Bad Apple Daddy  |
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Post by sbc on Oct 11, 2016 7:35:17 GMT -5
Fanfromafar, my friends and I have been out of the program for 3,4,5+ years and still view Hohler with a great deal of respect. We had great success by Huron football standards, the first SBC Championship since 2005, Back to back regional appearences, losing to the eventual state champion both years (Coldwater). I'm not saying the staff was the best coaching staff in Ohio, which it wasn't, and i'm not saying we never lost games we should have won, which we did. But at the end of the day, the coaches can only do so much. As players, you rely on them to put you in a position to be in the game, from there, it is on you to execute and and make plays. I've been to two games this year, and it was all I could stomach. Sam is using the talent he has been given, and sorry to tell you, but the talent equates to a 2-5 record. Sure they should have beat Streetsboro, but how much blame can you put on your coaches for letting a team come back from a 30 point deficit? That is more on the players than anything.. I don't mean to put anyone down, i'm just speaking on past experience and what I see today. RunShoot, hopefully you're right that there are some athletes coming, I can't wait to see the Tigers return to prominence.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 11, 2016 8:09:45 GMT -5
I am by no means a football "guru". There are plenty of people who know more about "X's" and "O's" than I do...........however...........I do know that high school football is cyclical. Teams have good runs, then there are a few years where the talent is down, and they have a few mediocre seasons until the next group of athletes come along. Happens to every school sooner or later. I've seen Huron play several times this year, mainly because I have friends whose sons are playing for the Tigers. Not to step on anyone's toes, but Huron is down on talent right now. Simple as that. There are a few good players, but football is a team sport, and it takes more than a couple kids to be successful. Huron will be back, it takes a little time. I just hope the fans will continue to support these kids, because, win or lose, they're giving it their best. Don't abandon ship just because you're in rough water right now.
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Post by scout15 on Oct 11, 2016 9:40:31 GMT -5
Ole Tony couldn't get it done last year with similar talent and schedule.
Once the talent returns, the W's will as well.
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Post by scout15 on Oct 11, 2016 9:42:01 GMT -5
Playing in the middle division will help also...
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Post by fanfromafar on Oct 11, 2016 14:58:44 GMT -5
You all make valid points and I can agree with most of them. I also understand this is Coaches first year --- there will be ups/downs which comes with the territory.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 16:23:27 GMT -5
Anythings possible, Minster (3-4) knocked off Coldwater (now 6-1), last week 33-18. I expect Edison to win a close game, but Huron could win this game as well.
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Post by concreteman89 on Oct 13, 2016 20:15:16 GMT -5
I don't have the answers why the Tigers are losing more than they are winning, but I think it is a compilation of a first year coach figuring things out as he goes and a group of kids not playing up to their potential. I blamed the streetsboro loss on the coaches being to passive with the play calling offensive and defensively. The loss to Pc was on the players, hard to win a game when you turn the ball over 6 times. I do like the fact that these kids don't stop fighting.
Being on the sidelines for all the games this year, I will say Sam has received absolutely no respect form the referees this season. I have seen some very bad calls or no calls this season which could of changed the outcome of the game.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 13, 2016 21:42:51 GMT -5
.............I have seen some very bad calls or no calls this season which could of changed the outcome of the game. Did you really just go there? Really? C'mon man! That could be said about every team in every game. |
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Post by concreteman89 on Oct 14, 2016 5:18:34 GMT -5
.............I have seen some very bad calls or no calls this season which could of changed the outcome of the game. Did you really just go there? Really? C'mon man! That could be said about every team in every game. Yes, I did. Last time I checked stepping on another players back and jumping over several defenders is described as hurdling in high school football and is illegal and it happened twice in PC game, once for a TD. I was standing there and saw it along with all the coaches who argued with the refs who inturn basically laughed at Sam. I have not been to see any other games this year around the league, so I cannot say this happens in all games. I don't think the Tigers would of won that game even if the call was made, but still doesn't make it right. |
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Post by piratefan on Oct 14, 2016 9:30:52 GMT -5
I agree, but I've also never seen even one high school game in all my years that hasn't had a bad call. It happens. It's not the reason Huron is 2-4. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by dolittle on Oct 14, 2016 10:27:41 GMT -5
The National Federation of State High School Association's rule book defines hurdling as "an attempt by a player to jump (hurdle) with one or both feet foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet."
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 14, 2016 19:14:38 GMT -5
Edison 28 Huron 7, half
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 20:30:28 GMT -5
The only update I can give, 35-7 Edison after 3, Got tired of watching the coaching circus on Huron's sideline. Edison fans support was huge, Huron may have about 100 at the most, Chargers a little too much for the under achieving Tigers to handle.
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I have had dealings with him in the past... Maybe it's finally catching up to him --- karma is a B**** ..... 
