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Post by 419bossman on Sept 10, 2022 18:05:06 GMT -5
After four games here are the Unofficial standings for the playoffs
1. Tiffin Columbian 2. Median Buckeye 3. Toledo Scott 4. Norton 5. Clyde 6. Rocky River Lutheran West 7. Ontario 8. Lodi Cloverleaf 9. Bay Village Bay 10. Mansfield Sr. 11. Oberlin Firelands 12. Defiance 13. Sandusky 14. Richfield Revere 15. Cleveland Lincoln West 16. Parma Padua Franciscan
Teams outside the cutoff 17. Rocky River 18. Parma Heights Holy Name 19. Lexington 20. Copley
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Post by dude on Sept 12, 2022 12:08:18 GMT -5
With the talk of using the Martin RPI for basketball seeding I visited the Martin Football site and found it interesting that the Strength of Schedule formula has Mansfield with the strongest rated schedule in this region.
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Post by sportsfan15 on Sept 12, 2022 12:54:11 GMT -5
With the talk of using the Martin RPI for basketball seeding I visited the Martin Football site and found it interesting that the Strength of Schedule formula has Mansfield with the strongest rated schedule in this region. Id believe that. Bradley has consistently went outside of the area to get better competition over his tenure there. Sadly, since the state run in 2019, they have not had the consistency up front on offense to take advantage of the talent they have on the roster.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 12, 2022 12:59:33 GMT -5
I really don't like RPI as a standalone measure, let alone even included in a suite of measurements. It's flawed and in a pretty dramatic manner if you ask me.
There will be little nuances based on the person applying it, but RPI gives your team a rating based on three things:
1) what is your win % 2) what are your opponents' win % (NOTE, whether or not you have beaten these opponents is irrelevant in RPI. It's purely if you played them. Yes, beating an opponent affects their win %, but RPI cannot make the distinction of Mansfield giving Hoover a loss or if someone else did it) 3) what are your opponents' opponents' win % (Same note as before. I'll explain below)
In the case of Mansfield, their RPI would be excellent. They played Hoover, Massillon, and West Holmes. They went 1-2 in those games, but RPI doesn't understand the difference. It looks and says, oh wow, those three opponents are a combined 10-2. Mansfield could have gone 2-1 with 28 point wins, or you could have them go 0-3 and lose by 70. That portion of the RPI calc barely cares other than win percent. But it doesn't care who gives the wins and losses.
So Massillon played and lost to 4-0 Moeller. Mansfield essentially gets a huge RPI boost for getting smacked by Massillon because Massillon also played a school with a very good win %. It doesn't matter that the Tygers would lose 99% of the time.
If they do tournament seeding based on RPI, then you wind up with getting more RPI boost from playing 22-0 Colonel Crawford than you would 19-3 Lima Senior. Size doesn't matter. It's win %.
You can tell I detest this method.
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Post by dude on Sept 12, 2022 13:16:26 GMT -5
As far as I know the RPI formula is not being used for anything other than conversation but it does look at every team the same way without bias.
If they would ever use RPI for football seeding I'm sure they would put in a factor for wins against larger school sizes.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 12, 2022 14:22:13 GMT -5
And that way RPI looks into it doesn't piece together a game by game measure of how you played, it's purely who you played. Harbins actually care if you beat someone, with the penalty of giving nothing if you lose, even if you lose by 1. But that's more consistent than Mansfield having an incredible RPI because they lost to Massillon. In some basic versions of RPI calcs, upwards of 75% of the value a team has is entirely inconsequential to their Win/Loss ledger. Crestline could have a higher RPI than Shelby if they had Mansfield's schedule. Crestline would never have more Harbins than Shelby if they had Mansfield's schedule.
I'm far from suggesting the state ought to adopt a sophisticated modeling like Pasteur or Calpreps, but I could see RPI being a weaker predictor for OHSAA football playoffs than Week 10 Harbin points.
The NCAA got rid of RPI for these reasons. It was telling the committee the wrong things about teams. It's a Strength of Schedule calc that masquerades as an indicator of team quality. Is the team that loses to Kentucky and Duke by 40 points better than the team that beat Uconn and Xavier by 30? RPI could tell you yes in that instance.
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Post by dude on Sept 12, 2022 15:46:11 GMT -5
And that way RPI looks into it doesn't piece together a game by game measure of how you played, it's purely who you played. Harbins actually care if you beat someone, with the penalty of giving nothing if you lose, even if you lose by 1. But that's more consistent than Mansfield having an incredible RPI because they lost to Massillon. In some basic versions of RPI calcs, upwards of 75% of the value a team has is entirely inconsequential to their Win/Loss ledger. Crestline could have a higher RPI than Shelby if they had Mansfield's schedule. Crestline would never have more Harbins than Shelby if they had Mansfield's schedule. I'm far from suggesting the state ought to adopt a sophisticated modeling like Pasteur or Calpreps, but I could see RPI being a weaker predictor for OHSAA football playoffs than Week 10 Harbin points. The NCAA got rid of RPI for these reasons. It was telling the committee the wrong things about teams. It's a Strength of Schedule calc that masquerades as an indicator of team quality. Is the team that loses to Kentucky and Duke by 40 points better than the team that beat Uconn and Xavier by 30? RPI could tell you yes in that instance. I never said Mansfield had an incredible RPI. I said their strength of schedule was #1 in the region. Crestline would not be measured against Shelby because they are in different divisions so the RPI does not matter. You cannot judge the RPI and make a sensible argument by using Moeller and Crestline. The NCAA still uses RPI but since they went to the playoff the have a committee making final decisions. But even the committee will comment that they use RPI and strength of schedule to support their choices.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 12, 2022 17:12:23 GMT -5
As far as I know the RPI formula is not being used for anything other than conversation but it does look at every team the same way without bias. If they would ever use RPI for football seeding I'm sure they would put in a factor for wins against larger school sizes. A negative factor should be losses to lower Division teams, As opposed to losses against higher Division teams
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Post by dude on Sept 17, 2022 6:03:27 GMT -5
After four games here are the Unofficial standings for the playoffs 1. Tiffin Columbian 2. Median Buckeye 3. Toledo Scott 4. Norton 5. Clyde 6. Rocky River Lutheran West 7. Ontario 8. Lodi Cloverleaf 9. Bay Village Bay 10. Mansfield Sr. 11. Oberlin Firelands 12. Defiance 13. Sandusky 14. Richfield Revere 15. Cleveland Lincoln West 16. Parma Padua Franciscan Teams outside the cutoff 17. Rocky River 18. Parma Heights Holy Name 19. Lexington 20. Copley After week 5 games. 1 4-1 Medina Buckeye 2 4-1 Tiffin Columbian 3 4-1 Clyde 4 4-1 Lodi Cloverleaf 5 3-2 Bay Village 6 3-2 Mansfield Senior 7 4-1 Rocky River Lutheran West 8 3-2 Toledo Scott 9 3-2 Norton Norton 10 3-2 Ontario 11 3-2 Defiance 12 2-3 Lexington 13 4-1 Oberlin Firelands 14 3-1 Cleveland Lincoln West 15 2-2 Parma Heights Holy Name (week 5 bye) 16 2-3 Sandusky Teams outside the cutoff. 17 2-3 Richfield Revere 18 2-3 Bowling Green 19 1-4 Parma Padua Franciscan 20 1-4 Rocky River
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Post by 419bossman on Sept 24, 2022 21:21:34 GMT -5
Rankings after Week 6
1 5-1 Tiffin Columbian 2 5-1 Medina Buckeye 3 5-1 Lodi Cloverleaf 4 4-2 Mansfield Senior 5 4-2 Clyde 6 4-2 Norton 7 4-2 Defiance 8 4-2 Toledo Scott 9 5-1 Rocky River Lutheran West 10 3-3 Bay Village Bay 11 5-1 Oberlin Firelands 12 3-2 Parma Heights Holy Name 13 3-3 Ontario 14 2-4 Rocky River 15 2-4 Parma Padua Franciscan 16 2-4 Lexington
Teams below the cutline 17 3-2 Cleveland Lincoln West 18 2-4 Sandusky 19 2-4 Bowling Green 20t 2-4 Copley 20t 2-4 Richfield Revere
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Post by 419bossman on Sept 25, 2022 12:50:47 GMT -5
Remaining Games
Ontario- Galion, Pleasant, Harding, Shelby
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Post by 419bossman on Oct 1, 2022 20:48:07 GMT -5
Rankings after Week 7
1 6-1 Tiffin Columbian 2 6-1 Medina Buckeye 3 6-1 Lodi Cloverleaf 4 5-2 Mansfield Senior 5 4-2 Parma Heights Holy Name 6 4-3 Clyde 7 5-2 Norton 8 6-1 Rocky River Lutheran West 9 5-2 Toledo Scott 10 5-2 Defiance 11 6-1 Oberlin Firelands 12 3-4 Parma Padua Franciscan 13 3-4 Bay Village Bay 14 3-4 Rocky River 15 3-4 Ontario 16 2-5 Lexington
Teams below the cutline 17 3-4 Sandusky 18 3-3 Cleveland Lincoln West 19 2-5 Bowling Green 20t 2-5 Copley 20t 2-5 Richfield Revere
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Post by dude on Oct 3, 2022 10:46:12 GMT -5
After starting the season 3-0 would fans still say the warriors are improving?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 3, 2022 11:28:35 GMT -5
This coming from the know nothing nobody who said, "Lex is superior to Ontario". "Lex and Ontario could win a combined 3 games this year". Galion is not very good and Lex is slightly better."
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Post by ohioraised on Oct 3, 2022 11:44:33 GMT -5
After starting the season 3-0 would fans still say the warriors are improving? I doubt that you get an answer to that question. But like normal, you will get an insult.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 3, 2022 12:04:10 GMT -5
He got an in kind response and in return several other notable instances of his MANY inaccurate utterances
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Post by 419bossman on Oct 8, 2022 21:49:42 GMT -5
Rankings after Week 8
1 7-1 Tiffin Columbian clinched top 8 (home) 2 7-1 Medina Buckeye clinched playoff spot 3 6-2 Mansfield Senior clinched playoff spot 4 6-2 Lodi Cloverleaf clinched playoff spot 5 5-2 Parma Heights Holy Name clinched playoff spot 6 5-3 Clyde 7 6-2 Norton clinched playoff spot 8 7-1 Rocky River Lutheran West 9 6-2 Toledo Scott 10 7-1 Oberlin Firelands 11 4-4 Parma Padua Franciscan 12 4-4 Rocky River 13 5-3 Defiance 14 4-4 Bay Village Bay 15 4-4 Ontario 16 3-5 Copley
Teams below the cutline 17 3-5 Sandusky 18 2-6 Lexington 19 3-4 Cleveland Lincoln West 20 2-6 Bowling Green
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Post by 419bossman on Oct 15, 2022 21:05:51 GMT -5
Rankings going into the final week of the season. The Top 10 have clinched a playoff spot, The Top 6 have clinched a home game.
1 7-2 Tiffin Columbian 2 6-2 Parma Heights Holy Name 3 7-2 Lodi Cloverleaf 4 7-2 Mansfield Senior 5 7-2 Medina Buckeye 6 7-2 Norton 7 6-3 Clyde 8 8-1 Rocky River Lutheran West 9 7-2 Toledo Scott 10 7-2 Oberlin Firelands 11 6-3 Defiance 12 4-5 Parma Padua Franciscan 13 4-5 Rocky River 14 4-5 Bay Village Bay 15 5-4 Ontario 16 3-6 Copley
Still mathematically alive to make the playoffs 17 3-6 Lexington 18 3-6 Richfield Revere 19 3-6 Sandusky 20 3-6 Bowling Green 21 3-5 Cleveland Lincoln West 22 1-8 Mansfield Madison Comprehensive 24t 0-9 Maumee
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Post by 419bossman on Oct 26, 2022 9:05:56 GMT -5
DIII Region 10 First Round Match-ups
All Games will be played on Friday October 28th unless noted Top 8 teams will host
#16 Copley vs. #1 Parma Heights Holy Name
#15 Rocky River vs. #2 Tiffin Columbian
#14 Oberlin Firelands vs. #3 Clyde
#13 Defiance vs. #4 Lodi Cloverleaf
#12 Ontario vs. #5 Mansfield Senior
#11 Bay Village Bay vs. #6 Norton
#10 Parma Padua Franciscan vs. #7 Medina Buckeye
#9 Toledo Scott vs. #8 Rocky River Lutheran West
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Post by richrod on Oct 26, 2022 17:27:34 GMT -5
Honestly I like Mansfield Senior to have a chance to win this region. I think they can get to the regional title game. If they can continue to show some life on offense I really like their chances.
Tiffin and Holy Name will also be right in it and I think that Lutheran West is a dark horse
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